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Post by elle on Feb 25, 2008 18:54:41 GMT -5
I'm an innie and I fully support and applaud Scott for what he has and is doing. This is a no brainer! Abuse must be dealt with according to law. My elderly parents (also in, and very well respected within the system) are of the same opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 19:53:29 GMT -5
It's true that at least some 2x2 jurisdictions are split as to how to handle sex abuse. I know of one recent case where there was a split amongst the workers and the cover up forces won. It's difficult to find out who's who on these things though, the discussions are kept in secret.
I only hope that people of the light like Lyle finally step up to their calling.
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Post by freespirit on Feb 25, 2008 20:14:10 GMT -5
I dislike the terms innie and ex because I feel that all of us are just struggling souls before God. All the same, I still go to the meetings (other churches sometimes too) and I love this whole crazy dysfunctional family.
I want to add my support for Lyle as well. And that of my family too. I know he didn't enter into this mess without a lot of prayer around these sensitive issues. He means a great deal to a great many people and my prayers and heart are with him.
peace, freespirit
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Post by ranman77007 on Feb 25, 2008 20:22:39 GMT -5
i was abused by 3 exes, but two stopped, and i got away from the other one.....
i am not joking. but it wasn't child abuse. it was mental abuse.
please, i am only responding to the question.
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Post by degem on Feb 25, 2008 20:22:54 GMT -5
;D Before I started reading on the board I always thought innies and outies had to with one's bellybutton. The things you learn Gem
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Post by freespirit on Feb 25, 2008 20:24:44 GMT -5
;D Before I started reading on the board I always thought innies and outies had to with one's bellybutton. The things you learn Gem And I thought 2x2 was something one bought at HomeDepot. ;D fs
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Post by scrappy930 on Feb 25, 2008 21:39:27 GMT -5
I am an innie and I believe that Scott is on the right path. I also know that some in my family that go to meetings feel the same. I never encountered any abuse as I was growing up but I cannot imagine what it must be like for those who did. I do know that back when I was a child my parents would have never believed any accusation about a worker abusing someone. Now they have learned that quite a bit happens that is covered up. Keep up the good work Scott.
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Post by yes on Feb 25, 2008 21:55:04 GMT -5
I am professing, and definitely support Scott's work, and Lyle's actions that addressed child abuse in MN.
Sending them to other fields, or out of the work, without reporting to authorities is wrong, and I'm glad to see these issues being brought into the open. Victims will not recover, even as much as is possible, if the offense and offender is kept hidden.
We should be held by a higher standard, right? Lift the standard high, and don't allow molesters to continue molesting!
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Post by Donna on Feb 25, 2008 22:48:36 GMT -5
Yes, I think Scotty should reprofess, so he can take a more handson approach, those lives he helps out. ;D
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Post by draft Scotty on Feb 25, 2008 22:56:49 GMT -5
I agree with the majority on this issue, too. This is a job that Scott can handle very well, as he understands the issue better than the average 2x2. Possible that he could be come a deputy , to investigate other suspects of the 2x2?
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Post by hoping on Feb 25, 2008 23:03:18 GMT -5
I'm an innie and I fully support and applaud Scott for what he has and is doing. This is a no brainer! Abuse must be dealt with according to law. My elderly parents (also in, and very well respected within the system) are of the same opinion. surname Macpherson?
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Post by no fear on Feb 25, 2008 23:10:22 GMT -5
scott can do the Job, cant you Scott?who votes for Scotty, say aye!
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elle
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Post by elle on Feb 26, 2008 0:17:57 GMT -5
elle macpherson does have long hair, but, its a bit of a stretch to see her as an innie!
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Post by hoping on Feb 26, 2008 0:29:38 GMT -5
drat.
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Post by hang me on Feb 26, 2008 0:32:03 GMT -5
Oh, but she does have an innie button, I saw it myself.
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Post by Katie on Feb 26, 2008 1:12:09 GMT -5
I go to meetings, and I would like to add my wholehearted support and appreciation for the way Lyle handled the abuse issue in his own state, and for all Scott has done as well. This entire situation is the most perfect example of the way something like this should be handled, in my opinion. If ALL abuse cases in the past had been handled in this manner, we would be looking at a whole lot LESS cases!! For anyone who feels like these type of things should be swept under the rug or kept hidden, don't they realize this is just like a CANCER that is eating away at our fellowship? If it's not treated properly and promptly, it's going to grow and spread... then the damage will be irreversible. I'm appalled to think there would be ANY worker who would dare say that Lyle should not have been open and honest about this... much less anyone on his own staff! Personally, I think if anyone thinks this sort of thing should be kept hidden, then maybe that person's own motives should be examined a lot closer!!
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 26, 2008 1:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by honesty on Feb 26, 2008 1:31:32 GMT -5
"It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys....."
Until the flying monkeys do what? What does that shirt say?
See my new thread on Scott's shirt. This ought to be interesting, if not educational.
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Post by openess on Feb 26, 2008 13:38:08 GMT -5
Openess is the only way forward. People deserve to know the truth about this very painful issue and the only way healing can take place and for victims to move on is when justice is seen to be done.
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Post by going places on Feb 26, 2008 14:03:51 GMT -5
Openess is the only way forward. People deserve to know the truth about this very painful issue and the only way healing can take place and for victims to move on is when justice is seen to be done. That means that froward, is forward.
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Post by What authority on Feb 26, 2008 14:58:05 GMT -5
A few different workers that have requested information, and a few folks in an official authority position. Just to be clear - authorities in some state's child protective service have requested information from a uninterested third party in order to investigate a case, or cases, of child abuse? I am very curious as to which state would solicit information from a third party in a child abuse case. Authorities are usually very circumspect in these instances.
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 26, 2008 16:22:46 GMT -5
Howdy, In regards to: Just to be clear - authorities in some state's child protective service have requested information from a uninterested third party in order to investigate a case, or cases, of child abuse?I spoke with the prosecuting attorney and provided him information concerning the Tim Severud case, and he shared some information regarding the investigation. The investigation regarding Tim was still ongoing the last time I spoke with him. I'm not sure at what point one is considered an 'uninterested third party'. Most investigations include trying to contact anyone that has information concerning the case. My name has been given to other law enforcement agencies who are investigating cases in places other than Minnesota. Scott
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Post by Lyle on Feb 26, 2008 16:47:10 GMT -5
I doubt that there are any workers on the staff that disapprove of being honest about dealing with abusers. The thing they might disagree with is enlisting the support of Scott in working with it.
But, thanks, Scott. And thanks to others that have been a support.
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Post by TO WHAT AUTHORITY on Feb 26, 2008 16:52:36 GMT -5
I'm sure that it doesn't take long for authorities investigating irregularities within the F&Ws to realize that they are dealing with a different organizational structure and that the group could easily hide information from them, organize cover-ups, just generally "keep them of the scent". A third party source would be extremely valuable to them.
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Post by To Lyle on Feb 26, 2008 16:58:47 GMT -5
The thing they might disagree with is enlisting the support of Scott in working with it.
That's probably what was meant by "I know for a fact that there are workers who do not support the way Lyle has been handling TS's situation; ie openly in front of enemies of the way." I can't imagine that anyone would condone abuse, but obviously there is much disagreement on what to actually do about it. Kudos to you, BTW.
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Post by Authorities on Feb 26, 2008 18:09:31 GMT -5
I spoke with the prosecuting attorney and provided him information concerning the Tim Severud case, and he shared some information regarding the investigation. The investigation regarding Tim was still ongoing the last time I spoke with him. Sharing case data with a non-involved person (other than your desire to make everything public) would seem to be in violation of court ethics. You had stated this before. As you explained it earlier, the TS case was all but wrapped up when you got involved. I believe you also stated that you went forward to the attorney with the information you had. That is very different from someone in authority coming to you for information. This is easy. Did you see the abuse? Are you the guardian of someone that was abused? No? Then you are an uninterested third party. What you have is hearsay which is why I was surprised that someone from child protective services would be seeking you out for information. And have they contacted you to get information? I too think anyone who abuses a child should be arrested and tried for their crime. I believe that if anyone tries to dissuade someone from reporting abuse to the authorities they too should be arrested and tried. I do not believe that the gathering and disseminating of hearsay and unsupported accounts will help solve the problem.
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Post by carpenter on Feb 26, 2008 18:10:10 GMT -5
I know I should use my login but thanks for reminding me, Nathan.
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Post by friend1 on Feb 26, 2008 18:16:43 GMT -5
I am wondering if any of the F&W are visiting Tim on a regular basis.
I'm sure he would have some special on-going Spiritual needs.
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