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Post by freespirit on Jul 15, 2008 21:49:17 GMT -5
Well, why doesn't freespirit just make him a strong cup of coffee (just a 1/2 cup actually) and sit down and have a good visit instead of dancing around her kitchen barefoot singing some Alabama song ? Then no one has to have any type of fit and all will be glad for the fellowship ! btw, I went back and re-read some of your posts, Pink, and realized you did respect Jerome - that's great - no one wants him on a pedestal (himself included) so let's just respect the good in them, accept the bad in them (unless it's not scriptual) but if it's just the 'bad' as we see it as bad, then let it go - and not expect anything else ! Have a good night. well... take this for what it's worth (which is nothing more than me running my mouth) but if you really respect him then I think you oughta give him the benefit of the doubt instead of telling me what I need to do or not do like he needs to be babied along to get around socially. Good grief. The man's a head worker for crying out loud. He deals with lots of different personalities. And I doubt he's all that fragile. I'm willing to bet we'd get along just fine. As I said before, after this recent fiasco, I'll probably seem quite sane and reasonable, bare-feet and all. fs PS Still running my mouth here, but how is it that you don't want to "put him on a pedestal" but you have a list of explicit instructions (sit at table, serve 1/2 cup of strong coffee, do not sing) for me to follow. Sorry... that just doesn't make sense.
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Post by a reader on Jul 15, 2008 22:20:05 GMT -5
Wow, Scott, you are right, this posting is dangerous business !! Freespirit, you wrote: "Frankly I'd like to just sit him down and make him a pie and tell him that I was really sorry that he was getting slammed around so much on TMB--most of us need a little balm from time to time. Maybe we could talk about the Old Testament. Or maybe he could teach me something. I dunno. I like to talk to people. " That's what I meant in my post also ! Just sit him down and make him a pie if you'd like, (I'd like coffee with your pie too, if you don't mind ?!) and enjoy your visit ! the 1/2 cup was just a joke to anyone who knows him ! I wasn't trying to tell you exactly what to do ! Sorry if it sounded like it - actually wasn't even directing the post to you but to the one who said that he would have a conniption with you dancing around the kitchen ! As if you'd be doing it just to get a rise out of him ?! I don't think that would be your motive - ;D I really don't know how he'd react ! But I wouldn't encourage anyone to just do it to see how he reacts, why not just enjoy your time while he's there - which is what you said you'd rather do as well ! Let us know if you ever get him to your home ! And don't mind me too much, I'm just learning on this posting business !
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Post by BOO HOO on Jul 15, 2008 22:36:33 GMT -5
Pink, I'm sorry I didn't convey sympathy to you in my post - I was thinking that I should have added that, as I didn't want it to sound like your mother's death was not a serious matter ! Please accept my apologies and excuse any sarcasm that seemed to be directed toward your mother's death or your sorrow at that time. I'm sorry that you feel Jerome didn't care about you or your mother . . . .I don't think he is a person to send sympathy cards or any other cards - and I think expecting someone to do what others do is what I meant about 'get real' - everyone is different - we were mentioning ways in which Jerome stands out - I personally saw him leave late at night, go clear across the state because a call had come that some little old person was close to death. I admire that quality in him. I too know of many workers who send all sorts of cards to people at all sorts of important events in life. I also admire that quality in others, but I don't want to blame the others who don't do such things. . . . hope this helps to make things right between us ??! keep posting please, I didn't mean to sound so harsh ! Now according to TMB's standards and measures, there is NO WAY anyone would think I am a worker, as I've just apologized for my behaviour ! (Sarcasm again . . .) That last line was really cute! o.k. I said I was done but then again I am a woman so I can change my mind...........(and my name, whew!) I guess what it's all about is that people are human, human, human. As I have said I know Jerome personally and yes, he does show compassion, a very human trait, not a God given, superhuman strength. We are all capable of compassion whether we are religious or not. But he also has his own downfalls and failures. (We have discussed them, I know some of them, from his own lips. Times when he did things, made decisions that in hindsight were not the compassionate, righteous thing to do. Nothing nasty or sordid, just everyday real life decisions that he made on the part of others that just wasn't the right decision for that person for that time, etc., etc., No one can be 100 percent all the time. And I don't mean to be picking on him but it is his thread even if it is by default. (default is probably not used correctly, but oh well. I love words and love at least trying to use them. One today that I love saying is discombobulation. Doesn't that sound AWESOME? Now, I just need an experience or sentence to use that in.) Sorry about the lack of paragraphs so here is a break................ We are all human, we all make rights and wrongs, all day, every day. It's how we grow. Think how staid and stuffy we would be if we were perfect. (Not an eternal perfect, that is totally different) Who wants to be around perfection all the time? It's good to see someone who we think has it all together, goof up, and then right their actions and try to do better because it inspires us to do the same. Oh well, I hardly know where I will end with this so let me just get this out so I can stop and quit boring you good people. Before my father in law died, Jerome had just been with him, visiting, really just lending his presence as my father in law was low. Then he (jf) left to continue onto one of his very needful places to be. He had driven probably 5 hrs and my husband called (jf) and said it didn't look like his father would make it through the night. Jerome said, Do you want me to come back? and we are like no, no, you were just here. You have driven so far already, you must be tired, it's not necessary, we will be fine, etc., etc., etc., But you know what? He said no, no, I will come back. I want to come back. Now, that, people is a beautiful spirit and wonderful thing. A human thing. I will never forget that act of kindness for the rest of my life. (kinda like what you witnessed) But people are not always perfect. Whatever is happening in MI, I am sure people have received both ends of it. The good and the bad. We shouldn't discredit anyones experience and try to make heroes out of people. This is LIFE! No ones perfect. We all make mistakes. It happens. But life is still wonderful and good and all that. OK for the inevitable disclaimer: I know I didn't express myself how I intended. I know someone will find one sentence or two or three and make it out like THIS when it was THAT. I know I am flighty and fruity but it works for me. And I still love Jerome as a brother in Christ. I just see him as a human, struggling to do what's right and making mistakes along the way, unintentionally hurting people, but don't we all? And again, I didn't EXPECT him to send a sympathy card and I am not placing blame on him for not doing it. That was a smart aleck remark because none of us are perfect. None of us get it right all of the time. His absence was just felt when he didn't acknowledge my mother's passing, for whatever reason, whether I was a crybaby at the time, a whiner, looking for the bad in everyone, whatever you want to call it. And....................he would still have a conniption watching Freespirit in the kitchen, dancing barefoot, swirling around singing Sweet Home Alabama, asking more Jalepenos? while slamming the fridge door shut with a sashay of the hip. "Cry us all a river" while sipping on your coffee with a wimp!
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Post by fritzi on Jul 15, 2008 23:24:31 GMT -5
yeah, this posting is dangerous stuff. it's crazy. no one can hear your tone. no one knows if you are cracking a joke or not. nobody wants to even try to see someone else's point of view. it's always, how dare you say a thing like that. Or even try to tell some one, lady, look, Jerome is a no nonsense kinda guy, don't pull your free spirit shenanigans around him. He ain't interested. She says: Oh, we'll be fine. I mean we are trying to let you know in the same way when Aunt Bertha comes over: Look Aunt Bertha, she's allergic to onions. Whatever you do, don't serve onions. It makes her gassy. Your whole house will, let's just say: It won't be pretty. She says: Oh, we'll be fine. I mean if you are allergic to onions, you are allergic to onions. Aunt Bertha's body is no respecter of onions here. Same way with JF. Just because you perceive he is in some mess and needs some refuge at your place don't think............oh well, try it. Someone else butts in: Yeah free, you are just free in name only, I know you wouldn't be dancing around the house just to get a rise outta him. (The lady in question wants to sit on the ground during convention, drinking milk outta coconuts, while burning incense for goodness sake. She wouldn't be dancing on purpose, dancing is her purpose. unless she is a freespirit in name only. i do remember the emblem thread. Things did get a little ugly there.
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Post by freespirit on Jul 16, 2008 0:46:08 GMT -5
yeah, this posting is dangerous stuff. it's crazy. no one can hear your tone. no one knows if you are cracking a joke or not. nobody wants to even try to see someone else's point of view. it's always, how dare you say a thing like that. Or even try to tell some one, lady, look, Jerome is a no nonsense kinda guy, don't pull your free spirit shenanigans around him. He ain't interested. She says: Oh, we'll be fine. I mean we are trying to let you know in the same way when Aunt Bertha comes over: Look Aunt Bertha, she's allergic to onions. Whatever you do, don't serve onions. It makes her gassy. Your whole house will, let's just say: It won't be pretty. She says: Oh, we'll be fine. I mean if you are allergic to onions, you are allergic to onions. Aunt Bertha's body is no respecter of onions here. Same way with JF. Just because you perceive he is in some mess and needs some refuge at your place don't think............oh well, try it. Someone else butts in: Yeah free, you are just free in name only, I know you wouldn't be dancing around the house just to get a rise outta him. Well... he sounds positively terrifying. Do you think I should borrow a blue-jean skirt or just wing it? I was thinking that if the whole evening sucked and he really was horrendous that it would be great fodder for a poem or something. So, wadda ya think... willl it be this: There once was a man named Jerome Whom everyone said "leave alone" But I baked him a pie 'cause the board made me cry An' he said, "cool... I like the freespirit zone." Or this: There once was a man named Jerome Whom everyone said "leave alone" But I baked him a pie 'cause the board made me cry An' for reward to the door I was shown. I dunno. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. (The lady in question wants to sit on the ground during convention, drinking milk outta coconuts, while burning incense for goodness sake. She wouldn't be dancing on purpose, dancing is her purpose. unless she is a freespirit in name only. i do remember the emblem thread. Things did get a little ugly there. I love this. ;D fs PS Does Jerome read this stuff here on TMB? Am I in trouble?
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Post by a reader on Jul 16, 2008 10:45:34 GMT -5
Why do you think I suggested you make the 1/2 cup of coffee? I'm Jerome ! Just kidding ! Actually, I'd like to know if he is reading here too ! I'm afraid he's too busy for such things - I don't think he's too up on the email yet - but he's learning, I hear. . . He's a straight-shooter - likely as he's a navy man - that training stays with you a bit, so maybe why he comes across a bit strict - he's very strict on himself and has learned to let go a bit on his companions or staff - but he does have high ideals of what he'd like to see in a staff - I admire that in him too as I think the staff of workers should have higher standards on themselves as leaders/guiders/shepherds or whatever term the general TMB readers will accept ! Naw, don't worry about the jean skirt - or anything else - just be yourself as you'd be in the presence of any serious person that you hope to have a serious visit with . . . . By the way, maybe skip on the coffee, as the poor man likely has an ulcer after all the mess he's been dealing with - ::)oh, oh, now this will get a rise out of a huge crowd of grumblers . . .(hey you all gripers, skip this post, eh ? It's just for Freespirit! Thanks. Good luck . . . .
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Post by degem on Jul 16, 2008 11:05:08 GMT -5
sidetrack-to Pink-its been a very long time since I heard the word "discombobulation to "a reader" you may be surprised at this but both you and I know each other. My lips are though. Gem
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Post by Pictureque on Jul 16, 2008 11:57:09 GMT -5
Why do you think I suggested you make the 1/2 cup of coffee? I'm Jerome ! Just kidding ! Actually, I'd like to know if he is reading here too ! I'm afraid he's too busy for such things - I don't think he's too up on the email yet - but he's learning, I hear. . . He's a straight-shooter - likely as he's a navy man - that training stays with you a bit, so maybe why he comes across a bit strict - he's very strict on himself and has learned to let go a bit on his companions or staff - but he does have high ideals of what he'd like to see in a staff - I admire that in him too as I think the staff of workers should have higher standards on themselves as leaders/guiders/shepherds or whatever term the general TMB readers will accept ! Naw, don't worry about the jean skirt - or anything else - just be yourself as you'd be in the presence of any serious person that you hope to have a serious visit with . . . . By the way, maybe skip on the coffee, as the poor man likely has an ulcer after all the mess he's been dealing with - ::)oh, oh, now this will get a rise out of a huge crowd of grumblers . . .(hey you all gripers, skip this post, eh ? It's just for Freespirit! Thanks. Good luck . . . . Wrong picture of Jerome, but here's his picture
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Post by Some assumptions on Jul 16, 2008 13:11:09 GMT -5
It is wonderful that people can imagine a control freak as being nice just stern. He could cut you off at your knees, turn and walk away as if nothing ever happened. Now that is what a shephard does for a sheep that may have wandered a little. Eventually everything is known, and all will be known and wow, will there be some reactions from many. But, keep pretending that he is just a very concerned overseer that wants order and OBEDIENCE and please don't cross him to see if that is all it is or you will surely be in for a very big shock.
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Post by Ouch on Jul 16, 2008 13:26:13 GMT -5
It is wonderful that people can imagine a control freak as being nice just stern. He could cut you off at your knees, turn and walk away as if nothing ever happened. Now that is what a shephard does for a sheep that may have wandered a little. Eventually everything is known, and all will be known and wow, will there be some reactions from many. But, keep pretending that he is just a very concerned overseer that wants order and OBEDIENCE and please don't cross him to see if that is all it is or you will surely be in for a very big shock. Hi Shorty! Sorry about your knees. You must have done something disturbing for him to react like that.
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Post by curious george on Jul 16, 2008 13:36:11 GMT -5
Nathan wrote: "I knew a reader could have been a worker! Thanks, for taken the time posting on TMB.. Your posts are appreciated by others on here. " Don't jump to assumptions, Nathan - I think in one of my posts I stated, that I MIGHT be a worker - I've never said I WAS or AM a worker. Yes, Scott knows who I am, and on his advice I won't give my name ! ;D Can't help but wonder who you might be.......... if your not a worker, you sure know a lot about JF. Wonder what staff you are on? (like your going to say) And if we could have been on the same staff?
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Post by That is right on Jul 16, 2008 13:41:16 GMT -5
Anything that is not done according to the ,"Jerome's Book of Rules", is very disturbing to him. Control is the answer. Give the man control and he'll be happy and ask for more control. Give the man position and he'll fight to go higher. But, want to see him laugh? It is possible. Give him a good looking remark, and you'll have a very controlling uncaring bossy but happy laugh!!! He surely has pride!!
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Post by freespirit on Jul 16, 2008 13:48:04 GMT -5
wow... more advice. And I've been getting PMs all morning about him too.
I have decided that the *first* thing I'm going to ask him (if he ever comes to my house) is if all the stuff they say online about him is really true. You guys have me so freaked, I plan to use a measuring vessel to reach military precision with his coffee--none of that lazy-housewife inaccurate guessing crap from me, no sir--1/2 cup will mean 1/2 cup in the freespirit zone. And we'll sing grace over it too. Even if it's just coffee.
Come to think of it, I sure hope he lives up to his reputation as brutal bible-thumpin' control freak ready to smash in my head with his worker suitcase. If he turns out to be some mild-mannered old guy who reads the bible a lot I'm going to be soooooooo seriously disappointed.
fs
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Post by Hope he visits on Jul 16, 2008 18:38:13 GMT -5
Freespirit, you are a hoot. But if JF ever comes to your house, have the coffee, plenty of it, open mind and still tongue. Never contradict nor question. And never ever accuse. Don't ever expect a full answer to anything he does not want to answer. He will just not recollect. Famous saying. Don't question his authority , or the big navy guy will think he is in Iraq. All guns will be ready to fire in a flash. He will bring along his under brother so he can have witness to anything that you say. That is very important to him. And the other worker will stand tall and dumb to anything that JF says, because it is better to have a silent tongue than no tongue. Just tell him you are shocked he is better looking than you thought he was, and you are in the easy chair.
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Post by Guess what on Jul 16, 2008 18:41:15 GMT -5
Jerome is a tall thin man with a big authority pride. He is like a statue of stone. But, the bigger you are, the harder you fall.
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Post by 2Blind2See on Jul 16, 2008 18:46:09 GMT -5
...While the person that started this post has some excellent points,....why try to "fight city hall"........
......you'll never change the cult-like "group-think" of these people, so you might as well pull back and punt!!!!
...it's like trying to have a scientific discussion with people who do have any scientific training....I call it the "Mason jar effect"....
......'cause you might as well set a Mason jar on the counter and have a conversation with it!!!!!!....
....hey...pass the moonshine....I need a sip!!!!
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Post by To To blind to see on Jul 16, 2008 18:56:40 GMT -5
I have a surprise for you. You are not to blind to see, you see more than the rest!!!! The mason jar is as good as it comes. In fact if the mason jar is clean it will shine right through. More than you can say about the shining light of a bunch of ill led controlled fellowship that is so CULT
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Post by a reader on Jul 16, 2008 19:31:37 GMT -5
I think the title of this needs to be changed as it seems it's the Post-ers that are out of control rather than Jerome. Curious George, I helped at preps once when visiting some friends and Jerome was there, so learned about the 1/2 cup of coffee ! Freespirit, you don't have to measure at all - the point is he likes HOT coffee, and by the time you get past the first 1/2 the rest is cold, so just stop 1/2 way or anywhere near that - he's not fussy about the measure - just the temp. - and fill it up later with more HOT - you'll do fine - no need to be afraid. the rest of you whiners . . . .this thread is supposed to be stating that Jerome is out of control . . . .so get your own hurts under control, eh?? Oh, I forgot, it's this whole control thing that has you all freaked out . . .well, if you don't want any control over your life or your spirit . . . .hmmm . . . where to go ? . . . check out the world - it's pretty free-living last I saw ! Gem - send me an email if you know me please ! I'd love to talk more with you ! This has been so much fun, but I might need to get back to work, so, so long you all . . . George, are you a worker ? In Michigan or where?
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Post by a reader on Jul 16, 2008 19:34:19 GMT -5
I suppose I should do like others, and use a different "guest" name each time, but it's more fun to let others try to guess - so why don't the rest of you 'guest posters' use the same handle so we can try to figure out who you are too ! Man this place IS addictive - my boss is trying to figure out why I'm so involved on the computer all the time now !
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Post by Jack Ask on Jul 16, 2008 20:54:00 GMT -5
I suppose I should do like others, and use a different "guest" name each time, but it's more fun to let others try to guess - so why don't the rest of you 'guest posters' use the same handle so we can try to figure out who you are too ! (Sorry, it was going to happen sooner or later anyway) What happens if you use the same name all the time is someone else registers that name away from you and changes your troll name to something like 'Jack Ask' and never uses the name again.
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Post by curious george on Jul 17, 2008 6:00:42 GMT -5
I suppose I should do like others, and use a different "guest" name each time, but it's more fun to let others try to guess - so why don't the rest of you 'guest posters' use the same handle so we can try to figure out who you are too ! Man this place IS addictive - my boss is trying to figure out why I'm so involved on the computer all the time now ! It is very addictive! No matter how stupid and immature it gets here one still gets hooked. I'm not in the work anymore. You don't have to be around Jerome very long to learn about the coffee issue. I'm glad I was around him long enough to see the good out way the bad.
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Post by People change on Jul 17, 2008 11:24:49 GMT -5
When Jerome first became a preacher, he was a very sensitive man. When he became an overseer, he still was concerned and caring, but as you get control and authority, the concern for others becomes the concern for ourself. The authority goes to your head and you become a person no one knew. I'm sure you all know some really nice guy or gal before they became the boss. After they became a boss, everyone wondered what happened! A person that likes authority will fight for more. That is why it is evident that JF is fighting for the top spot. That spot becomes a real bonus as you now control the friends and the money. You become the CEO of management. Now, I always thought that was God's job. Top management is never concerned with the little guy under them. The little guy is there to please the CEO. The big CEO gets top dog recognition even when he does a terrible job. Of course, the stockholders could throw a monkey wrench into the big position, but what stockholder is there to see that the overseer or overseer of overseers is corrected? The complainer will see the door!!
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Post by YABBA on Jul 17, 2008 13:03:24 GMT -5
When Jerome first became a preacher, he was a very sensitive man. When he became an overseer, he still was concerned and caring, but as you get control and authority, the concern for others becomes the concern for ourself. The authority goes to your head and you become a person no one knew. I'm sure you all know some really nice guy or gal before they became the boss. After they became a boss, everyone wondered what happened! A person that likes authority will fight for more. That is why it is evident that JF is fighting for the top spot. That spot becomes a real bonus as you now control the friends and the money. You become the CEO of management. Now, I always thought that was God's job. Top management is never concerned with the little guy under them. The little guy is there to please the CEO. The big CEO gets top dog recognition even when he does a terrible job. Of course, the stockholders could throw a monkey wrench into the big position, but what stockholder is there to see that the overseer or overseer of overseers is corrected? The complainer will see the door!! The complainer is YOU. Still posting under guests names, huh, after deleting your posts.
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Post by looking on on Jul 17, 2008 14:18:38 GMT -5
When Jerome first became a preacher, he was a very sensitive man. When he became an overseer, he still was concerned and caring, but as you get control and authority, the concern for others becomes the concern for ourself. The authority goes to your head and you become a person no one knew. I'm sure you all know some really nice guy or gal before they became the boss. After they became a boss, everyone wondered what happened! A person that likes authority will fight for more. That is why it is evident that JF is fighting for the top spot. That spot becomes a real bonus as you now control the friends and the money. You become the CEO of management. Now, I always thought that was God's job. Top management is never concerned with the little guy under them. The little guy is there to please the CEO. The big CEO gets top dog recognition even when he does a terrible job. Of course, the stockholders could throw a monkey wrench into the big position, but what stockholder is there to see that the overseer or overseer of overseers is corrected? The complainer will see the door!! Are you speaking from experience? You've been there and done that? Have you been on top and walked all over the little guys?
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Post by sudsy on Jul 17, 2008 19:47:39 GMT -5
he's a floor sweeper.
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Post by sojourningthrulife on Jul 18, 2008 12:54:25 GMT -5
Oh Sudsy, thanks for your above post: I was trying to understand just what Jerome was up to that seemed to cause some a "beef/tiff." Now I know -- he is obscessive/compulsive with a broom ! I have taken note of a few others who were/are in love with the broom.
By the way, it is great exercise for seniors. You do not have to consult with a physician before beginning this type of exercise program.
How old is this young man, Jerome, anyway?
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Post by wondering on Jul 18, 2008 22:46:34 GMT -5
Jesus was kind in every situation. He knew Judas was the one who was going to betray him but did he let the other disciples know by his actions or words? This is what bothers me about JF. It is very evident who he believes. He is not willing to hear the other side of the story. His mind is made up. But really, he doesn't know who is telling the truth! He should stay in the middle and not take sides. I believe that is what Jesus wanted to teach us. I think JF needs to start listening now to all sides and let the healing begin.
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White Knight
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THE SHADOW KNOWS. In the shadow of the highest is a refuge from all fear.
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Post by White Knight on Jul 18, 2008 23:30:19 GMT -5
Where are the twins now? Where are the two ladies that were helping them? Georgia? In jail? Playing hide and seek? In a little hot water?
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