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Post by jason storebo on Feb 25, 2007 20:36:55 GMT -5
Greetings, James. Oh, it's just all that hell-fire & brimstone mess that you promote. At least the 2x2s generally soft-pedal on the "lost eternity" (another term for hell). I don't believe that a god of love is the wrathful personal being that Judeo-Christianity...and Isam... have always tried to depict. Even the more mild-mannered of fundamentalists believe in eternal torment for the damned.
Aside from my basic dread and hatred of fundamentalism as it pertains to the damnation issue, I am highly skeptical about such things as taking as litteral truth, the tales, the legends, & the myths, that we apparently must accept...as part of the entire salvation package. Fundamentalists are required to accept the litteral "truth" of everything in the OT...right?
I like to keep my Christian faith very simple: I can't let myself dwell on anything concerning the OT...as I find many things that I find both highly doubtful...as well as highly offensive.
I simply pray to God in the name of Jesus; ask for forgiveness for my sins...and have faith & trust that God & Jesus are whatever they are, and that the way of God is whatever it is...and that I only want truth, and that nothing less will do. I don't claim to know anything. I don't confuse faith & belief with knowledge. Whatever the Truth is...is whatever the Truth is.
Peace.
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Post by geo on Feb 25, 2007 21:14:45 GMT -5
I simply pray to God in the name of Jesus; ask for forgiveness for my sins...and have faith & trust that God & Jesus are whatever they are, and that the way of God is whatever it is...and that I only want truth, and that nothing less will do. I don't claim to know anything. I don't confuse faith & belief with knowledge. Whatever the Truth is...is whatever the Truth is. Peace. thanks for sharing your thoughts Jason, you have pretty good insight.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 25, 2007 21:41:43 GMT -5
Thanks for that Jason....just one thing though...beware of people that say things just to please you, or often well intentional people say things that they know you may want to hear.....Your real friends will tell you the truth.......Just one more thing Jason----I have seen hell. ...its a real place......Of course Jesus does not want people to go there but He has no choice because it allready has been made so....He cannot go back on His Word.....By default we all go to hell because of our sinful nature (since the fall of Adam). Jesus does not want anyone to go to hell....no one will have an excuse BECAUSE Jesus gave His life here on earth for us all....Think about it.....The suffering He went through was unimaginable.....but He died (Was crusified)...so we can go to Heaven!!!.....He left Heaven and thus gave up His Divine rights to suffer and be murdered on a cross for us...that is how much He loves us....don't ever forget that!.....Just one more thing and I will stop. This is all because of satan (previously known as Lucifer). satan is the one that we can hat his ways! he is the one that has caused our pain and suffering on earth---he is a ratbag (and you probably can guess I could use some very corourful language here). I am not sure if you are still one of the friends since we met when I was 14 in Oregon conventions some 26 years ago!
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Post by jason storebo on Feb 25, 2007 22:46:41 GMT -5
James, I don't think you visited hell; I don't believe in hell. I believe that you may have visited one of the lowest of the astral planes (which indeed can be quite hellish). Many of those spirits honestly believe that what they are experiencing is permanent.
For lack of a better description...I am what many might label a New Ager. I "believe" in reincarnation & the law of Karma. I believe that we are aspects of God...like cells of a body which while having an individual existence, when combined comprise the wholeness of the body. Salvation comes when we realize that we are God. Jesus was the Son of God...and we too are sons & daughters of God. Jesus' message is not well understood...let alone accepted in this respect.
We are individualized aspects of God who like sparks from an explosion (I'm speaking about The Big Bang___which was God's great act of creation). As particles of God....we are God re-discovering Himself. It is God's grand game. God split up into billions of multiplicities of Himself...and We/He are on a great adventure. The essential meaning (and goal) of life is to realize our divinity...and to experience re-unification with the Godhead. Some call this experiencing Nirvana.
In the spirit world (the "other side" of this physical existance) are various planes (zones, frequencies) some of which are "hellish" & some that are "heavenly". However, true salvation comes with our re-unification with The Ultimate Source. When this state is achieved there is no longer the need for a spirit to reincarnate into physical life. Before we incarnate into a new fleshly existance (adventure) we make plans...with the help of spirit guides, which are based upon our past actions. We each have a Karmic plan that is laid out before us...which explains things such as the circumstances that we are born into, or the events (negative or positive) that take place in our lives.
When we successfully burn off the negative karma...we need not return to the "school of earth".
I could go on & on...but I'll end this now.
Incidentally, my New Age "beliefs" do not forbid me from having faith in Jesus Christ & God...or in praying to Jesus/God.
My "beliefs" are not written in stone...only my faith in God & Jesus is written in stone. If in the end God shows me that my New Age-ism is false, then so be it. I value truth (whatever that may be) above anything that I might prefer to believe in.
jason
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 26, 2007 6:01:01 GMT -5
Jason….you need to get back to the inerrant Word of God. You need to get back to basics. Let see what the bible says about this. The wages of sin is death, if you really believe in Jesus?? …You are kidding your self because you believe sin is not an issue.
I have been to hell. Hell is real and of course you don’t want to believe it....you dont want to....its absolute torment that is undescribable...... I am going to put some links on my web page to view testimonies on hell. Meanwhile I would like to send you a dvd. Please? Message me with address or e-mail me. You cannot afford to get this one wrong.
You are talking about the New World Order here, its totally demonic and of satan! You do not know what you are really in. You have been fed b-------. No doubt what so ever! You cannot afford to take this risk Jason!
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 26, 2007 10:43:06 GMT -5
Self-Esteem (defectiveness & Failure)
Self-esteem is the feeling that we are worthwhile in our personal, social and work lives. It comes from feeling loved and respected as a child in our family, by friends, and at school. Ideally we would all have childhoods that support our self-esteem. We would have felt loved and appreciated by our family, accepted by peers, and successful at school. We would have received praise and encouragement without excessive criticism or rejection.
But this did not happen to you and me. Perhaps you had a parent or sibling who constantly criticized you, so that nothing you did was acceptable. You felt unlovable. Perhaps you were rejected by peers. They made you feel undesirable. Or maybe you felt like a failure in school or sports.
As an adult, you may feel insecure about certain aspects of your life. You lack self-confidence in the areas where you feel vulnerable-intimate relationships, social situations, or at work. Within your vulnerable areas, you feel inferior to other people. You are hypersensitive to criticism and rejection. Challenges make you very anxious. You either avoid challenges or handle them poorly.
Within self-esteem are Defectiveness and Failure. They correspond to feelings of unworthiness in the personal and work realms. The Failure part involves a feeling of inadequacy in the realm of achievement and work. It is the sense that you are less successful, talented, or intelligent than your peers.
The Defectiveness involves the sense that you are inherently flawed-that the more deeply someone knows you, the less lovable you are. The Defectiveness often accompanies other issues.
Injuries to our self-esteem cause us to feel shame. Shame is the predominant emotion within Defectiveness. If you have the Defectiveness or Failure entrapments, then you live a life filled with shame about who you are.
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Sorry wrong again Jim
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Post by Sorry wrong again Jim on Feb 26, 2007 14:11:22 GMT -5
Self-Esteem (defectiveness & Failure)
This was true in my family.
Speak for yourself Bucko! Happened to me and many people I know.
Nope - didn't happen.
[/i][/quote] Maybe you did but I loved school, the school activities, and enjoyed sport - although I was far from great! Nope. Not the case. [/color][/quote] Not even close to as badly as you respond to people who ask you questions on this board. You really should seek some help. [/center][/quote] Shame for what? If you feel shame I suggest perhaps you are defective.
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Post by not srud on Feb 26, 2007 15:53:30 GMT -5
I used be exclsuive as a 2x2, therefore ALL 2x2s are exclusive.
I used to think that 2x2s condemn all churchy buildings, therefore ALL 2x2s do this.
I was in a dystfuctional family while a 2x2, therfore ALL 2x2 familes are dysfuctional
Without a doubt
On this there is no doubt
Bottom line --- no shadow of a doubt
No doubt whatsoever
I will provide more evidence - no doubt al att.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 26, 2007 17:49:29 GMT -5
Self – Expression Self-expression is the freedom to express ourselves – our needs, feelings (including anger), and natural inclinations. It implies the belief that our needs count as much as other peoples needs. We are free to act spontaneously without inordinate inhibition. We feel free to pursue activities and interests that make us happy, not just those around us. We are allowed time to have fun and play, not just encouraged to work and compete non-stop.In an early environment that encourages self – expression, we are encouraged to discover our own natural interests and preferences. Our needs and desires are taken into account in making decisions. We are permitted to express emotions, such as sadness and anger, as long as they do not seriously harm other people. We are regularly allowed to be playful, uninhibited, and enthusiastic. We are encouraged to balance play and work. Standards are reasonable.If you grow up in a family that discourages self-expression, you are punished or made to feel guilty when you express your needs, preferences, or feelings. Your parents needs and feelings take precedence over yours. You are made to feel powerless. You are shamed when you act in a playful or uninhibited manner. Work and achievement are overemphasized at the expense of fun and pleasure. Your parents are not satisfied unless you perform perfectly.
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Post by I am perfect on Feb 26, 2007 18:36:38 GMT -5
[ Your parents are not satisfied unless you perform perfectly. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, what is your definition of perfect??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by pinky on Feb 26, 2007 20:50:12 GMT -5
James,
I believe you owe Andrew M an apology. You were in error as to his position, and he kept telling you he was not a 2x2. Yet you attacked him on the basis of your erronous assumption. When you finally realised you were wrong, you backed down, but I didnt see an appology for the abuse you gave Andrew M.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 26, 2007 21:51:37 GMT -5
Mind your own bis!
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Post by Dont on Feb 26, 2007 21:56:28 GMT -5
James, I believe you owe Andrew M an apology. You were in error as to his position, and he kept telling you he was not a 2x2. Yet you attacked him on the basis of your erronous assumption. When you finally realised you were wrong, you backed down, but I didnt see an appology for the abuse you gave Andrew M. Shame on you! James is just being his version of Christian!
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Post by whimpie on Feb 26, 2007 22:29:49 GMT -5
Hey James, Are the hyenas snipping at your heels again? They like to harass and distract and wear down their prey. But all they have is lies and disapproval to share with you. Some of them display a little wrath, but it is allot of hot air. Like a herd of chiwawa's.........haha !
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Post by Cult on Feb 26, 2007 23:42:12 GMT -5
Yes, They are. They teach that "they are the "Kingdom of God on Earth". They teach all others are false They use all manner of coersion (fear, guilt, shame, lies, etc....) They use the tools of the flesh, not the tools of the Spirit, Hope Faith, and Charity. They suck the life out of their victims, paralyzing them, then devouring them and their lives for the sake of their own vanity. If you refuse to be devoured by them, they say you will burn in hell. (But they say that behind your back mostly) Cause they are afraid to say the Truth. They fear the words of others, cause they use words to control their victims. They teach a gospel of fear................ Are you talking about 2x2's in particular, or Christianity in general? I see little difference between them. Any group in this modern day and age, either in general or in particular, that continues to hold rituals around the cannibalistic eating of the flesh and drinking the blood of a man they have killed in the belief that they will thereby be innocent of their wrong doing has got to be one of the most bizzaro, evil, scary, and twisted cults ever to have gotten out of the dark ages.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 27, 2007 0:04:26 GMT -5
Once again Wimple you are spot on! ...these guys are like white washed tombs....like flies arround poo....Often when truth is trying to break out the distractions come.
How anyone and I say ANYONE can say that the posts on self esteem & self expresion are anything but helpful, true and relevant I do not know.
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Post by think for a minute on Feb 27, 2007 0:11:06 GMT -5
Once again Wimple you are spot on! ... these guys are like white washed tombs....like flies arround poo.... Often when truth is trying to break out the distractions come.Some of these whom you called white wash tombs are exes like yourselves trying to help you to see the light.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 27, 2007 0:53:17 GMT -5
How anyone and I say ANYONE can say that the posts on self esteem & self expresion are anything but helpful, true and relevant I do not know.
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Post by shut up on Feb 27, 2007 1:01:24 GMT -5
[/i] and I say [cod]ANYONE[/] can say that the posts on self esteem & self expresion are anything but useless, untrue and relevant]I do not know.[/b][/quote] James, shut up and go to bed!!!
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Post by Sad thing on Feb 27, 2007 1:05:56 GMT -5
How anyone and I say ANYONE can say that the posts on self esteem & self expresion are anything but helpful, true and relevant I do not know. The fact that this is your view is what is really the saddest of all. This would be something to make fun of if you did not actually believe this is an accurate view of things. Jim - listen to people. Your experiences are not what many people have experienced. Some of us were raised in lovings and supportive F&W families.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 27, 2007 2:19:55 GMT -5
The Truth hurts! I can feel a lot of anger comeing through you guys. These posts are 100% accurate and any profesional will agree with them.
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Post by Geoff on Feb 27, 2007 2:36:57 GMT -5
James' posts have been proven to be NOT 100% accurate. Professionals who have examined them have NOT agreed with them.
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Post by ANDREW M on Feb 27, 2007 4:06:38 GMT -5
James, I apologize to you for somehow leading you to believe that I was still a two x two. Obviously my efforts to clarify the matter were somewhat weak and continued to be misleading.
I deeply regret any confusion that I caused.
Hopefully you will forgive me and we can move on and as true brothers in Christ we can put this matter behind us and not let it taint our future relationship ?
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 27, 2007 6:27:59 GMT -5
oh..look it was nothing....no offence was taken...as the conversation developed it bacame apparant as to where we stood and I did not have a problem with it..... You have done nothing to me...I hold nothing against you...please forgive me if I have wronged you, in fact just forgive me anyway.
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Post by jwbdurston on Feb 27, 2007 6:28:42 GMT -5
Sorry Geoff,..but you dont know what you are talking about and I do not believe you.
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Post by You mean on Feb 27, 2007 7:58:59 GMT -5
Geoff,.. you do know what you are talking about and I do believe you. , there that is better. GO TO BED, James!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by svkngunlogged on Feb 27, 2007 9:07:04 GMT -5
The Truth hurts! I can feel a lot of anger comeing through you guys. These posts are 100% accurate and any profesional will agree with them. professional what james ? doctor ? scientist ? cleaner ? mumbojumbo spouting hippie ? your posts are very much less than 100% accurate.
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Post by Geoff on Feb 27, 2007 11:53:36 GMT -5
Sorry Geoff,..but you dont know what you are talking about and I do not believe you. Well, James if you insist in talking about undefined matters, you will only create confusion. On "professional" - I'm a professional. What did you mean by "professional" ? What I meant is a psychologist, and a psychiatrist, who have read your stuff, and their opinion is that most of it is ill-informed. Your believing me or not is inconsequential to truth. Truth is not defined as " what James Durston believes".
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