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Post by puzzling on Aug 8, 2011 2:40:16 GMT -5
Passerby, you say people knew of this behaviour by EB some 30 years ago.
They knew but did nothing.
Are you aware of the number of victims and amount of suffering that those 30 years of silence allowed?
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Post by sharonw on Aug 14, 2011 10:07:31 GMT -5
I understand the legal stance on this case how ever a client still has the right to direct their lawyers, the lawyer acts on behalf of thier client. EB could have directed his lawyer that he did not wish to appeal and would accept a sentence and accept the sentence imposed by the magistrate. No emotion does not cloud the law how ever EB missed his opportunity to demonstrate his remorse in a public forum. EB has certainly NOT "missed" his opportunity to demonstrate his remorse in a public forum. I understand he is currently at liberty ? In fact I would argue that this circumstance affords him much greater opportunities to demonstrate his remorse. Amongst a wide variety of measures, the example of Judas comes to mind ! Yes you are right. A lawyer acts on his or her client's behalf and is subject to their directions, but in reality lawyers are hired for guidance in legal matters. In EB's shoes I doubt very much any one of us would pursue the line you suggest. Who knows what will happen with all this. God is in overall control. Time will tell. If EB has to serve a term of imprisonment it is best that he avoids communal showering, even if placed in the supposed security of a sex offenders' wing. A bar of soap thrown down deliberately at his feet would be a dreadful initiation to his period of gaol. Maybe his liberty at this time is HIS opportunity to show proper remorse before it comes to such things. There is Biblical precedent for using such opportunities wisely. this brings to mind that Rm died with in just a few months of incarceration and the reason given was "cancer"....but I question that very much...I've felt all along that his inmates ended up killing him...but of course the prison has to put something on the death certificate and aren't likely to put something that they've turned theirm back long enough form it to happen. |
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Post by malcolm modra on Aug 24, 2011 18:26:41 GMT -5
It was today. A previous post on Wingsbts and TMB: Barry received five charges for indecent assaults on one victim. The matter was adjourned to 19th May at Morwell for a plea of guilty.https://dailylists.magistratesvic.com.au....3&type=Criminal Case Number: A13163708 Case Date: 19 May 2011. 11:00 AM Prosecuting Agency: Victoria Police Informant: Lambert, L Accused: Barry, Ernest James Accused Representative firm name: Not Represented Hearing Type: Plea Guilty Prosecutor Representative Name: Not Represented Plea: No Plea Taken Location: Latrobe Valley Magistrates' Read more: wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=80#ixzz1Mn0OfMd5He was represented in court by a impressive and presumably costly defence team including barrister. |
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Post by Bad ger M on Aug 24, 2011 22:40:01 GMT -5
Did you also intend to log a comment on this Malcolm, or were you just prompting an update?
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Post by PJ77 on Aug 25, 2011 0:49:17 GMT -5
Have also done a lot of searching through Court Lists over next 5 months but can't see any listing for EB appeal, perhaps someone may have specific details that could be shared |
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Post by maggsmagpie on Aug 25, 2011 0:55:53 GMT -5
Hi are you still an F&W member? I am not for nearly 50 years and if you are not as you seem to be in Victoria maybe you would like to contact me. My email address is on my profile Maggsmagpie
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Post by ranman77OO7 on Aug 30, 2011 15:40:55 GMT -5
EB has certainly NOT "missed" his opportunity to demonstrate his remorse in a public forum. I understand he is currently at liberty ? In fact I would argue that this circumstance affords him much greater opportunities to demonstrate his remorse. Amongst a wide variety of measures, the example of Judas comes to mind ! Yes you are right. A lawyer acts on his or her client's behalf and is subject to their directions, but in reality lawyers are hired for guidance in legal matters. In EB's shoes I doubt very much any one of us would pursue the line you suggest. Who knows what will happen with all this. God is in overall control. Time will tell. If EB has to serve a term of imprisonment it is best that he avoids communal showering, even if placed in the supposed security of a sex offenders' wing. A bar of soap thrown down deliberately at his feet would be a dreadful initiation to his period of gaol. Maybe his liberty at this time is HIS opportunity to show proper remorse before it comes to such things. There is Biblical precedent for using such opportunities wisely. this brings to mind that Rm died with in just a few months of incarceration and the reason given was "cancer"....but I question that very much...I've felt all along that his inmates ended up killing him...but of course the prison has to put something on the death certificate and aren't likely to put something that they've turned theirm back long enough form it to happen. Are you saying that the autopsy that they perform on deceased inmates is fraudulent? The coroner, or prison coroner, in cahoots with the correctional officers involved, and the warden "fudged" the cause of death report for Ruben Mata? Nah... That is alot of trouble to go through to protect other inmates... ;D |
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Post by jy on Aug 31, 2011 17:15:37 GMT -5
Posted on the BTS board concerning the court case of Ernie Barry: EB was convicted and sentenced to six months jail. The conviction relates to multiple offences of sexual abuse of a child while EB was a senior worker in Vic/Tas. His barrister immediately appealed the sentence and EB was released on bail. The appeal will now be heard in the County Court at a date to be listed.
Ernie Barry was supported in court by members of his family and others, including at least one worker.
The Magistrate advised that he had the option of giving a 12 month sentence, however had reduced it to six months on the basis that the defendant had made an early guilty plea, had attended counseling sessions, had no prior convictions and had expressed remorse and in the Magistrate's opinion was unlikely to re-offend.
The only evidence that could be produced in Court was that from the one victim who was prepared to make a formal complaint. The Magistrate was therefore unaware that there were a series of allegations against Ernie Barry that would have painted a picture of a serial offender.Read more: wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=80#ixzz1Mo7sDgVh |
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Post by any news on Oct 2, 2011 0:18:21 GMT -5
Anyone heard when EBs appeal will take place?
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Post by reply to anynews on Oct 2, 2011 3:31:56 GMT -5
Maybe EB's in gaol already? has anybody seen him recently? We used to see him at the market but not for a long time. Read he was building a house. Hope the workers are doing there duty and keeping him away from any kids.
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Post by Wattle flower on Oct 2, 2011 7:29:14 GMT -5
Hey What is happening with EB??? Well On the other boards I heard there was others, such as CP, Sount Australia, RC, VIC IC?VIc?? Is this true??? hey I was threaten, as I was collating info for a Today Tonight show??? When is some going to be brave enough to come forward and tell all about this cult?  Why do I have to do it on my own? Stand for the truth!!!  |
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Post by Wild Flower on Oct 2, 2011 7:40:59 GMT -5
EB and IC came to visit me in TAS. As a single mum, I felt very very uncomfortable with this visit! Not knowing what he was up to in his past, I still felt creeped by him!. Why IC and I were having tea in the dinning area EB said he needed to use the bathroom, My intincts told me to be very carefull!!! As then I did not trust him. Just as well my 3 year old was asleep in her cot oposite the bathroom.!!! I got up and woke her, Just as well!! I couldn't believe that I let a peder in my home. My parents always would say to me< Be careful who you let into your home you may not get them out!!!! EB used to come and stay with my family in TAS, and I am so worried about the reswt of my brothers and sisters.!!! This is not the true way, this is not the only way. They are a cult, and when I get my ifo ready for Today Tonight, make sure you are all watching your TVS!!!!!!
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Post by To wild flower on Oct 2, 2011 19:23:38 GMT -5
Hey What is happening with EB??? Well On the other boards I heard there was others, such as CP, Sount Australia, RC, VIC IC?VIc?? Is this true??? hey I was threaten, as I was collating info for a Today Tonight show??? When is some going to be brave enough to come forward and tell all about this cult? Why do I have to do it on my own? Stand for the truth!!! Hey wattle, there are people on Wings BTS who have a dossier and can answer you about which workers have abused friends and their children sexually. Join up and ask one of the admins to put you in touch. wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgi?We want to know are workers keeping EB away from children while he's out and about? They cannot wash their hands, he is still their responsibility. He was one of them all the time it was going on. You had a lucky escape, those who have come forward are only tip of the iceberg. You go girl! |
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Post by Heres hoping on Oct 2, 2011 23:48:42 GMT -5
Here's hoping he isn't planning on attending Convention this year and the workers have enough sense to keep him away.
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Post by Bad ger M on Oct 3, 2011 2:56:40 GMT -5
Planning on attending Convention!
I'm aghast!
Surely he wouldn't have the temerity and moreso, surely the workers would not allow this predator to attend Convention.
I would have expected him to have been excommunicated by now - so much for the condonation, cover up and protection from those who should know better!
I say expose him for what he is and make him do the porridge he so rightly deserves!
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Post by Wild Flower on Oct 3, 2011 20:17:28 GMT -5
Hey I have worked within the Courts for 4 years on and off and I know that If the the other victims don't come forward, then we will never even hear of what happens to EB because nothing will. It will be dismissed from the court, or even worse a suspended sentence. So hey not much hope. I still feel really bad that some of my family are still involved with this cult. I pray daily that they will leave. I just cant believe that the workers are supporting him and his evil deeds. A guy who is now a worker said to me once that he would go in the work just for a free overseas holliday!!! And yes as I know today that is exactly what he has done. It is just a big lie to them all. This is not gods way, and it certaintly isn't the truth. Many over the years have been kiddy fiddling, not just workers but elders in the meetings. I know from personal experience, there will not be justice for me as the guilty party is now dead.  |
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Post by Im hoping on Oct 3, 2011 23:20:53 GMT -5
As convention season looms once more in Vic/Tas maybe this year the workers will begin to address the issue of CSA openly with the friends.
Given that EB plead guilty it's no longer a legal issue which prevents them from speaking about it.... I wonder what else is preventing an open discussion
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Post by spiders on Oct 4, 2011 5:32:16 GMT -5
As convention season looms once more in Vic/Tas maybe this year the workers will begin to address the issue of CSA openly with the friends. Given that EB plead guilty it's no longer a legal issue which prevents them from speaking about it.... I wonder what else is preventing an open discussion The workers don't like "open discussion" as it may bring out things that they want to keep hidden. They prefer to do nothing and hope that people will forget what has happened. EB will be used as a scape goat and they think that he has been dealt with and therefore nothing more needs to be said. It is not until the workers address the issue of CSA that the friends will have confidence in the system. |
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Post by between the lines on Oct 4, 2011 5:50:59 GMT -5
I'm reading between the lines here - but it seems the workers in Vic have a bit to hide?
Maybe the friends need to take a stand on this one. There's little to be gained in pretending there's nothing wrong when there is the welfare of children to consider. Surely people must be starting to realise that the "old way" of keeping silent didn't work and as word gets out that they weren't just an isolated case.
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Post by spiders on Oct 4, 2011 6:17:12 GMT -5
I'm reading between the lines here - but it seems the workers in Vic have a bit to hide? Maybe the friends need to take a stand on this one. There's little to be gained in pretending there's nothing wrong when there is the welfare of children to consider. Surely people must be starting to realise that the "old way" of keeping silent didn't work and as word gets out that they weren't just an isolated case. You read correctly........there are lots of skeletons in closets that the workers want to keep hidden. The trouble is that most of the friends are content to "let sleeping dogs lie." They don't want to be seen to be going against the workers and stirring up trouble. The workers exert fear and control in Vic and until this is broken nothing will happen. |
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Post by aussie222 on Oct 5, 2011 4:56:49 GMT -5
The workers did nothing but major on such minor things for so many years.
Nothing was ever good enough in their eyes.
Now, when they have problems within their own ranks, and serious problems at that, they can't even be honest about it.
Then again their dishonesty is not a new thing, they have been at it for years.
Then they wonder why people are hurt.
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Post by ex tas on Oct 5, 2011 6:25:02 GMT -5
Hi Wild Flower,
They have stayed in our home also.and you have good reason to be concerned, when they can't come out in the open and face what has happened, instead they just keep covering it up, hoping no one will notice.
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Post by Just my thoughts on Oct 5, 2011 6:28:09 GMT -5
I think many of the workers in Vic lack the capacity to care that there are friends hurting. Those who do care are bundled off to distant parts or out of the work altogether.
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Post by ex tas on Oct 5, 2011 6:59:03 GMT -5
I think you are right.
I think there are those that want the truth to come out but they are threatened, which is so sad.
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Post by cooee on Oct 5, 2011 22:28:08 GMT -5
Shamefully there are several Australian / Victorian male workers who have skeletons in the closet. There are some who have engaged in criminal Child Sexual Abuse activity and some others who have engaged in other immoral behaviors.
Devious, self serving and self opinionated overseers continue to shield the offenders from all open disclosure and the subsequent censure by the body of believers and by their more honourable fellow workers.
Overseers continue to prove that their first imperative is not to properly shepherd the believers, but rather to maintain, at any cost, the illusion of the righteousness and purity of the 2x2 system.
In these cases all of the "cost" of the maintenance of this sham is borne by the victims. In Victoria the cost for some is a damaged personality, consignment to years of silent suffering and debilitating soul destroying distresses.
There remains the terrible ongoing risk of innocent children because they are being wilfully exposed to paedophiles who are allowed to circulate freely without parents or carers knowing the truth about their predisposition to engage in criminal acts to satisfy their filthy lusts.
A very brave victim had come forward to bring a CSA metter into the open.
There are numerous other victims "out there"and I direct this appeal to them.
For the welfare and general good of the fellowship, to help rid the fellowship of the scourge of sexual criminality and very importantly, for the protection of children everywhere, it is needful for victims or anyone else with relevant information or knowledge to please come forward and tell their story to:
Leigh Lambert
Detective Senior Constable
Warragul CIU
Phone (03) 56227153 from within Australia
Fax (03) 56227155
email: leigh.lambert@police.vic.gov.au
Absolute confidentiality and privacy is assured for all contact made to Leigh Lambert about any matter involving CSA within the fellowship.
Any worker claiming to be genuinely concerned about this matter should bring pressure to bear on the overseers to adequately deal with these matters. If they actively assist in the coverups or allow them to continue by their failure to act decisively, they are acting reprehensibly.
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Post by lazarus66 on Oct 5, 2011 23:01:09 GMT -5
There was a worker in Michigan, USA just sent to prison. He plead guilty to one count of sexual assault on a minor, and was given probation. At the convention, everyone of the F&W's were saying that he needed to be left alone and he had suffered enough. Well, well, well, he was charged again with 5 additional counts and plead guilty and is going to prison for that, and who can really know how many victims are out there still.
Sweeping it under the carpet is criminal and those that do it are as guilty as the perpetrators.
This man's name is Peter Mousou (may not be correct spelling on last name)
Crime is crime. CSA is one of the most despicable crimes and needs stronger punishment, especially when it is absolutely positive and there are numerous victims
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Oct 5, 2011 23:14:12 GMT -5
this brings to mind that Rm died with in just a few months of incarceration and the reason given was "cancer"....but I question that very much...I've felt all along that his inmates ended up killing him...but of course the prison has to put something on the death certificate and aren't likely to put something that they've turned theirm back long enough form it to happen. This could be, Sharon, but I do know that we heard, several months before Ruben died, that he had cancer. You might imagine how stunned we California workers (and ex-workers) were when we suddenly heard this horrifying stuff about a man who had been our friend for years . . . |
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Post by Gobsmacked on Oct 6, 2011 6:55:12 GMT -5
I can't get over the fact that it is now common knowledge that there is an obvious problem with sexual immorality amongst the workers/friends in Vic - and yet the friends there seem powerless to make a stand. By your inaction you as a group are enabling the abuse and immorality to continue.
Survivors/Victims: please remember that it you who can make a difference to future generations of friends in Vic. By speaking out and contacting authorities you can make a huge change.
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