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Post by wild flower on Oct 8, 2011 4:05:25 GMT -5
I wish I had the confidence to come forward when it happened to me in TAS. The shame and disgust sent me looking for love that was even more distructive. Hence, even more physical abuse.  . They will continue to cover things up, it has been going on for years. I spoke to a elderly lady who is professing and she said CSA is not new in the Truth, she said it had been going on for years. I escaped, or so I thought by entering a 'outside relationship' just to escape from the horror of CSA. This person who now is dead, got the last laugh because after many years of having proffessional help I am still damaged. I wrote to a TAS/VIC worker about what happened to me and he basically told me that I was a trouble maker and a liar. My brothers and sisters all have personality issues and my parents. This church is listed on the net as being a dangerous cult!!! Why can't people stand up and talk!!!  Hiding it only causes more pain in the long term. |
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Post by emmarr75 on Oct 8, 2011 5:17:02 GMT -5
Hi wildflower May I suggest you get in touch with the admins at Wings  There are also other avenues for you to get support such as Broken Rites. While they may not understand the intricacies of the 2x2 I'm sure that they would be interested in hearing from you and have some good advice for you. |
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Post by ex tas on Oct 9, 2011 0:51:52 GMT -5
Hi Wildflower,
We are so glad you had the courage to write a message here about your experience with the workers.
It is so cruel of them to blame you for the problems they have caused.
The least they could do is take responsiblity.
It takes a long time to recover from the damage they do.
What we found is that they take delight in weakening family ties.
We found they caused a lot of problems within our family, that may never heal.
They seem to try and sever the bond that should be between children and parents.
Please know that our thoughts are with you, and we feel emmarr 75 has made some good suggestions in her message to you.
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Post by Admin on Oct 9, 2011 6:50:08 GMT -5
Hi wildflower, I'm glad you have the courage to speak out, about the awful personal abuse you have suffered, and about the fact that the injury doesn't go away. It's not something a victim can just get over and move on. You are amongst a caring and empathetic community of mostly Christians here who will support you, and all survivors of abuse anyway we can. Perhaps you could sign up here, or as emmarr suggests, on the Wings child-abuse forum called "Breaking the Silence": wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgi?That way one of the admin team can put you in touch with one of the support networks in your part of the world. You would be a help and support for some of the other abuse survivors too. Every best wish. admin |
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Post by exVic on Oct 12, 2011 5:56:25 GMT -5
Thank you Wild Flower for sharing with us. I read your posts with a some understanding, having grown up in Victoria around the same workers. Even as a child I had a mistrust of certain workers and was wary around them. CSA is rampant amongst the friends in that area of the world - the workers are not the only perpetrators either. I know of one instance where a girl was pressured into lying in court.
Everyone knows and no one talks. Is that evidence of Christ working in our lives?
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Post by not happy on Oct 14, 2011 17:06:14 GMT -5
VICTORIA
John Robinson, Bruce Robinson - Colac
Bernard Manning, Claude Punke - Warrnambool/Portland
Neil Mitchell, Ian Caves - Sale/Gippsland
David Leitch, Jim Mclean - North East Melbourne
Stephen Thorpe, Cam Mclean - West Melbourne
Norma Ruwoldt, Yvonne Bartlett - Geelong
Helen Edmunds, Shirley Bicknell - Wodonga/Wangaratta
Lexie Sutton, Maree Clark - South East Melbourne
Carolyn Briggs, Andrea Dent - Shepparton/Echuca/Bendigo
Janette Briggs, Sally-Anne Ballan - Mildura/Swan Hill
TASMANIA
Ray Cruickshank, Graeme Taylor - North East
Mella Somerville, Katrina Wilson - North West Coast
Iris Dixon, Coral Speight - Hobart
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Post by jay on Oct 15, 2011 1:43:39 GMT -5
I wonder how many changes in this list since it came out Last January
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Post by Red Silk on Oct 16, 2011 8:15:26 GMT -5
 Hi everyone, has anyone heard the latest???!! Ernie Barry has been allowed to go to convention??!! Can't be sure which one he is going to. Just wanted to warn all those parents with children that he is on the prowl with support from some of the friends and the workers in Australia 
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Post by Wattle on Oct 16, 2011 8:18:26 GMT -5
 You have got to be kidding me! I heard on one of the other threads about this but thought it was a rumor. Can anyone confirm this? or is it just a rumor?
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Post by Concernedfriendback on Oct 16, 2011 17:41:16 GMT -5
Admin- on reflection, perhaps you could move my post above to a thread on the main board please as Noels may not see it here.
Thank you!
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Post by OKok on Oct 16, 2011 19:12:13 GMT -5
Looks like Noels is spending to much time on Paroo street in Echuca NSW
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Post by pinky on Oct 16, 2011 19:39:32 GMT -5
Looks like Noels is spending to much time on Paroo street in Echuca NSW Echuca's in Vic, isn't it .. ******** If that's true that EB is attending convention, that's pretty pathetic. |
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 16, 2011 21:04:29 GMT -5
Admin- on reflection, perhaps you could move my post above to a thread on the main board please as Noels may not see it here. Thank you! Thank you for posting what you did here. As requested, I am removing your post here, and likewise I will remove it from the main board where it was copied to.' noels has sent me an email acknowledging that he has read what you posted, and likewise has responded concerning your post copied to the main board. If you wish to contact noels directly, feel free to email me. Likewise, if there is anything you would like passed to him without revealing your identity, you can send me an email, and I will send the information to him (without revealing your identity or email address) Again, thanks for posting here. Always good to hear from the 'readers but not members' that frequent the TMB. Scott |
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Post by Concerned Vic on Oct 17, 2011 3:07:34 GMT -5
Shouldn't E.Barry be in prison rather than going to convention? He was sentenced to 6 mths back in May. Has he does his time and is he repentant? If he isn't in gaol and he's planning on being loose on Vic convention grounds, it just emphasises why all his victims should have gone to police when they had the opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2011 8:03:40 GMT -5
Assuming the appeal procedure is still ongoing, it is possible that:
1) EB is truly repentant and is making serious efforts to be rehabilitated into the belief system he believes in. He is trying to restore his relationship with God and seeking his mercy for both this life and the next and leaving the appeal process in God's hands.
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2) Acting on the advice of his lawyer (who felt the prison sentence was excessive, hence the appeal), by attending convention etc, will imply that he is now truly remorseful, has been at least partially forgiven and accepted back into the fellowship, which indicates great potential for reconciliation, etc. His behaviour whilst being at liberty during the period of the appeal process may have a bearing on the eventual decision by the appeal court judges.
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3) Ram, you said you weren't coming back. You're barking up the wrong tree. Disappear, the real situation is something else.
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Post by rational on Oct 17, 2011 10:53:34 GMT -5
this brings to mind that Rm died with in just a few months of incarceration and the reason given was "cancer"....but I question that very much...I've felt all along that his inmates ended up killing him...but of course the prison has to put something on the death certificate and aren't likely to put something that they've turned theirm back long enough form it to happen. This could be, Sharon, but I do know that we heard, several months before Ruben died, that he had cancer. You might imagine how stunned we California workers (and ex-workers) were when we suddenly heard this horrifying stuff about a man who had been our friend for years . . . Don't let facts stand in the way of a good story! |
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Post by Red Silk on Oct 17, 2011 19:31:35 GMT -5
::)Hey who said anything about him attending convention in VIC. Heard from a fellow brother worker that he is going to go maybe to QLD. He will be forgiven you know and as you all must know god forgives all sinners. He will be back soon after his rehab I think, to profess his love to god. Sorry can't tell you much more but will tell what I can when I can. |
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Post by wattle on Oct 17, 2011 19:39:39 GMT -5
What are you people talking about, Paroo Street, Echuca? Is this where Ernie Barry is living? Or is this where the new house is being built??!! Really and truly if Ernie goes to convention then my husband and I will not be attending anymore meetings! or conventions. You workers should clean up your act, including you red silk!!!  |
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Post by seriously concerned on Oct 17, 2011 21:28:15 GMT -5
::)Hey who said anything about him attending convention in VIC. Heard from a fellow brother worker that he is going to go maybe to QLD. He will be forgiven you know and as you all must know god forgives all sinners. He will be back soon after his rehab I think, to profess his love to god. Sorry can't tell you much more but will tell what I can when I can. Now that is cause for serious concern. The friends in Qld have had enough child abuse of their own without importing a convicted Vic/Tas child molester. Who will warn the Qld friends?If you are a worker like you say you should understand that this child sex abuser will only be forgiven by God (capital G) if he repented. Are there fruits of repentance or doesn't that matter in your doctrine?He won't just automatically get forgiven, not just because hes your fellow worker. |
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Post by so on Oct 17, 2011 21:36:06 GMT -5
Hey who said anything about him attending convention in VIC. Heard from a fellow brother worker that he is going to go maybe to QLD. He will be forgiven you know and as you all must know god forgives all sinners. He will be back soon after his rehab I think, to profess his love to god. so what about all those australians who get put out of meeting for marrying 'outsiders'? are they forgiven too or is it only child molesting workers? |
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Post by spiders on Oct 19, 2011 6:05:00 GMT -5
::)Hey who said anything about him attending convention in VIC. Heard from a fellow brother worker that he is going to go maybe to QLD. He will be forgiven you know and as you all must know god forgives all sinners. He will be back soon after his rehab I think, to profess his love to god. Sorry can't tell you much more but will tell what I can when I can. If you are indeed a "fellow worker" you need to encourage all of your worker friends to treat the issue of CSA seriously, instead of trying to protect yourselves. The workers need to be open and honest in dealing with CSA by keeping the friends properly informed. If they think that by letting EB attend convention is the way to go then they are not taking things seriously. He needs to do his time and be thankful that all his other victims have not come forward. 6 mths is a very light sentence! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 8:40:11 GMT -5
If EB's appeal against sentence is still ongoing he should not be allowed to attend convention or any other communal gathering amongst the friends and workers. Without the appeal he would be in prison. This is not to say the appeal is not justified, but in the circumstances there exists reasonable doubt that his attending convention is entirely one of repentence and rehabilitation, as there exists the possibility of motives to influence the appeal court judges in their decision making and is a matter in which the workers involved may be seen as being complicit.
Wisdom dictates that EB should abstain from F&W's gatherings meantime until his actual sentence is decided and spent. Only then can the subject of his repentence and rehabilitation be viewed in a more honourable light.
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Post by faune on Oct 19, 2011 13:43:11 GMT -5
Ram ~ Doesn't the law itself prohibit E. Barry from being within any proximity to children? Convention is filled with children of all ages, so perhaps the workers in charge should prohibit his presence at such a function, if they indeed take CSA seriously? These type of individuals don't usually get over their sickness, and the more it goes unpunished, the more blatant they become! I hope another youngster doesn't get scarred by this sick worker's presence on convention grounds?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 17:48:10 GMT -5
Faune, I can't answer that question as I do not know the conditions, if any, imposed by the Australian Court under which EB was granted his liberty pending the appeal process. Remember EB has appealed against "sentence," not "conviction," resulting in the suspension of his sentence meantime, which may or may not include accompanying restrictions with children? Sorry, I'm just having a shot in the dark. Maybe someone closer to the bone may be able to assist?
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Post by wonder ing on Oct 19, 2011 18:22:11 GMT -5
Are there any conditions on Ernie Barry not being allowed in the presence of children while he's out of prison on appeal? Most pedophiles have conditions imposed on them by courts, which are legally enforceable. Like not being allowed near schools.
Can someone find out what conditions the judge imposed? Would they be enforceable in Qld?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 20, 2011 21:25:03 GMT -5
Can someone confirm that EB is going to convention in QLD, or is it just a rumor? And if so which ones ?
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Post by Hush hush on Oct 21, 2011 3:18:05 GMT -5
Guaranteed EB's presence won't be common knowledge until after the convention has started. For those of you with children at convention I would start thinking about how to keep them safe.
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Post by concerned exVictorian on Oct 21, 2011 3:54:33 GMT -5
... and if I were you and expecting anything to change in the near future, think again. I would definitely think about whether the best option is to be going to convention at all...maybe this is your opportunity to check out another church, or just stay home, pray and read your bible open before the Lord, and ponder the basis of your continued association with a group whose leaders seem not to be serious about addressing real issues of concern
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. They will continue to cover things up, it has been going on for years. I spoke to a elderly lady who is professing and she said CSA is not new in the Truth, she said it had been going on for years. I escaped, or so I thought by entering a 'outside relationship' just to escape from the horror of CSA. This person who now is dead, got the last laugh because after many years of having proffessional help I am still damaged. I wrote to a TAS/VIC worker about what happened to me and he basically told me that I was a trouble maker and a liar. My brothers and sisters all have personality issues and my parents. This church is listed on the net as being a dangerous cult!!! Why can't people stand up and talk!!!
Hiding it only causes more pain in the long term.
Hi everyone, has anyone heard the latest???!! Ernie Barry has been allowed to go to convention??!! Can't be sure which one he is going to. Just wanted to warn all those parents with children that he is on the prowl with support from some of the friends and the workers in Australia 
You have got to be kidding me! I heard on one of the other threads about this but thought it was a rumor. Can anyone confirm this? or is it just a rumor? 
