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Post by Bad ger M on Feb 7, 2012 17:07:09 GMT -5
To WA, you are presuming that the posts are from ex mtg people. Well you are certainly wrong about quite a few of them. the others could be ins or outs. Maybe only they know. The most pathetic posts on here are yours. Theres a very nasty nature coming thru your posts!!! How do you know how workers feel about CSA. Thats easy. You are a whinging worker. All we are asking for firstly is some honesty!!!!! doesnt seem to have happened. Has anyone at all had a worker come to them and say they hate the thought of CSA and want to make sure it doesnt happen again. There are mums and dads that read here, that wonder if their kids will be safe with workers staying in their homes. Pretty natural reaction I reckon. There are still people who dont know. I know of someone who has been informed recently - not by me - and she is utterly devastated. Guess what WA- Nastiness will get you nowhere - unchristian sort of an attitude anyway. You are not being helpful, just condemning. We do feel sorry for innocent workers - Im afraid theyve all been tarred with the same brush. HEY RAM - great post. Keep it up. Many thanks. Well well well well, who is this extremely insensitive WA guest who doesn't appear to have any moral backbone or compassion for those children that have been exposed to CSA. The comments in the above post are most appropriate! Get a life WA guest!!! |
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Feb 7, 2012 17:09:51 GMT -5
oops that should read Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how the reality is NOT being told to the friends. If the workers are not handling CSA as it should be then someone needs to have the backbone to visit DL and tell him so. It may be that situation is as they perceive or it may be that after a visit with DL that they will feel differently? I don't know? But I do know that the spineless stone throwers who come, throw a stone and run; who throw a gossipy or rumour based or baseless post on this thread are pathetic.... weak charactered cowards THE ONLY PERSON WHO WOULD REALLY KNOW IF POSTS ARE GOSSIP OR RUMOUR IS EB.  |
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Post by wanda on Feb 7, 2012 17:10:06 GMT -5
It is hard enough to have a conversation with a person on the street about CSA so imagine what it would be like to discuss it with a worker?
CSA is a topic that is private and needs to be approached delicately but with logic and preparation not with one phone call to a senior male worker who, by all accounts, sounds more interested in the protection and shielding of the worker than potentially showing compassion and care and compensation to the victims.
Perhaps the friends and support group of the victims could write letters to all workers pressing for public acknowledgement and compensation of some sort for pain and suffering caused.
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Post by spidercam on Feb 7, 2012 17:17:06 GMT -5
To WA, you are presuming that the posts are from ex mtg people. Well you are certainly wrong about quite a few of them. the others could be ins or outs. Maybe only they know. The most pathetic posts on here are yours. Theres a very nasty nature coming thru your posts!!! No I don't think that's fair. It's understandable the frustration many feel right now. But we need to respect each other, including most workers who in some ways are as much victims too. WA (guest) is being fair, asking for verifiable facts. I know some in Vic & Tas who can provide for you WA, but how to put you in touch? Can you email Scott, who can put you in touch with Wings reps from those states? Thanks for your considered comments, was it you said that PD could have done much more for the victims in Tas & Vic? Because there are very many silent victims of what makes most of us angry like 'Kitten slippers'  |
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Post by wa on Feb 7, 2012 17:17:16 GMT -5
quibbler, kittensshoes and badger have had their say.
they don't answer in anyway what I asked.
Just more of the way this thread has so often been.
But maybe, hopefully spiderweb or others will understand that I mean what I say.
That I am interested in genuine responses from people who have integrity and the courage of their convictions to stand by what they would post here. and if they have interest in seeing any matters that need addressing .
Will spiderweb or any other Victorian respond genuinely to what I posted?
spidercam
You are there in Vict I assume?
are you an 'ex'? or a present member of the fellowship?
Can you give true verifiable details of how the workers in Vict have incorrectly handled the EB matter?
Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how they have not dealt honestly openly and in a matter that would inspire confidence in the ministry.
Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how the reality is not being told to the friends.
Details (verifiable and undeniable) that the workers have tolerance for child abuse.
I'm not interested in responses after the kind of some of the pathetic gossipy, rumour based or baseless posts that litter this thread.
I'm only interested in posts by posters who will stand by the word they post and post verifiable and undeniable facts.
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Post by spidercam on Feb 7, 2012 17:20:15 GMT -5
To WA, you are presuming that the posts are from ex mtg people. Well you are certainly wrong about quite a few of them. the others could be ins or outs. Maybe only they know. The most pathetic posts on here are yours. Theres a very nasty nature coming thru your posts!!! No I don't think that's fair. It's understandable the frustration many feel right now. But we need to respect each other, including most workers who in some ways are as much victims too. WA (guest) is being fair, asking for verifiable facts. I know some in Vic & Tas who can provide for you WA, but how to put you in touch? Can you email Scott, who can put you in touch with Wings reps from those states? Thanks for your considered comments, was it you said that PD could have done much more for the victims in Tas & Vic? Because there are very many silent victims of what makes most of us angry like 'Kitten slippers' |
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Post by Kitten slippers on Feb 7, 2012 17:24:24 GMT -5
Thanks Badger. Welcome back. That WA is cattier than me. HaHa. Is that a word- cattier!!  He's certainly got an attitude problem. Scared that the so-called rumours may be true, and someone might just do a bit more investigating. Too many people pretending nothing wrong and stuff didnt happen. Well suck it up WA- there are those who know its not rumours, cos it happened to them.  |
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Post by wanda on Feb 7, 2012 17:27:54 GMT -5
WA guest - it is obvious that you have never been involved in anything to do with CSA.
I can affirm that the worker in VIC/TAS are not interested in helping CSA victims and their families and if anything they will go out of their way to ignore and pretend it hasn't happened.
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Post by Quibbler on Feb 7, 2012 17:37:29 GMT -5
Hey kitty and badger. We've got him in a corner. Is he for real!!! He's trying to make out he's concerned, but the nastiness is still coming thru. Too many people know of stuff that has happened - not sure why WA is making out its rumour. We not talking heresay. We are talking fact. A lot is too hard to talk about here. People are still suffering. His attitude is hurtful. I think WA is bloke. The attitude is definitely self-righteous male worker.  He didnt deny he is PD. |
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Feb 7, 2012 18:16:23 GMT -5
oops that should read Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how the reality is NOT being told to the friends. If the workers are not handling CSA as it should be then someone needs to have the backbone to visit DL and tell him so. It may be that situation is as they perceive or it may be that after a visit with DL that they will feel differently? I don't know? But I do know that the spineless stone throwers who come, throw a stone and run; who throw a gossipy or rumour based or baseless post on this thread are pathetic.... weak charactered cowards THE ONLY PERSON WHO WOULD REALLY KNOW IF POSTS ARE GOSSIP OR RUMOUR IS EB. AND THE VICTIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Kitten slippers on Feb 7, 2012 18:29:38 GMT -5
WA guest - it is obvious that you have never been involved in anything to do with CSA. I can affirm that the worker in VIC/TAS are not interested in helping CSA victims and their families and if anything they will go out of their way to ignore and pretend it hasn't happened. Thank goodness for people like Wanda that understand. |
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Post by Kitten slippers on Feb 7, 2012 18:50:33 GMT -5
Spidercam, I dont understand why you think I'm not being fair. Maybe I'm not. Its quite easy to get fired up by WA's Attitude. Its like ok we are all making it up. Troublemakers some were called. WA wants to talk to genuine Victorians. Doesnt think much of us in TAS, does he. Anyway WA its quite easy to get onto WINGS site and have a read. Or do u think thats just rumour too. Try talking to that policeman at Warragul. IF U DARE!!
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Post by spidercam on Feb 7, 2012 21:07:26 GMT -5
Sorry kitty, it is easy to get fired up. I like a fired-up kitty, btw.
But you know what, wouldn't surprise me if WA turns out on our side. Agree probably a bloke, he just can't believe that workers could behave as badly as ours in Tas & Vic.
That's a good idea, for WA to speak with the Warragul policeman who knows many of the victims. try and find his contact details for WA.
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Post by Bad ger M on Feb 7, 2012 21:10:19 GMT -5
Sorry kitty, it is easy to get fired up. I like a fired-up kitty, btw. But you know what, wouldn't surprise me if WA turns out on our side. Agree probably a bloke, he just can't believe that workers could behave as badly as ours in Tas & Vic. That's a good idea, for WA to speak with the Warragul policeman who knows many of the victims. try and find his contact details for WA. Hope you have better luck than me! - I tried emailing him quite some months ago, but did not receive a response. |
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Post by meg1 on Feb 7, 2012 21:49:04 GMT -5
quibbler, kittensshoes and badger have had their say. they don't answer in anyway what I asked. Just more of the way this thread has so often been. But maybe, hopefully spiderweb or others will understand that I mean what I say. That I am interested in genuine responses from people who have integrity and the courage of their convictions to stand by what they would post here. and if they have interest in seeing any matters that need addressing . Will spiderweb or any other Victorian respond genuinely to what I posted? spidercam
You are there in Vict I assume?
are you an 'ex'? or a present member of the fellowship?
Can you give true verifiable details of how the workers in Vict have incorrectly handled the EB matter?
Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how they have not dealt honestly openly and in a matter that would inspire confidence in the ministry.
Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how the reality is not being told to the friends.
Details (verifiable and undeniable) that the workers have tolerance for child abuse.
I'm not interested in responses after the kind of some of the pathetic gossipy, rumour based or baseless posts that litter this thread.
I'm only interested in posts by posters who will stand by the word they post and post verifiable and undeniable facts.Here is a response.. It is unsolicited I know and I am far removed physically from the situation. The real gift of living in this time is that we can have conversation with people who share a common experience from anywhere. 1. The following link is to a thread on WINGS that is discussing action that is very like the "7" Ram talked about. wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=149If the other posts trouble you just scroll down and read what post Reply 13 on Jan 27 of this year says. Brave and courageous people! 2. Here is the address of the legal voice of the situation. I know it has been posted before but repetition is okay. Leigh LAMBERT Det.Sen.Constable 29449 Warragul CIU PH: 56 227153 FAX: 56 227155 leigh.lambert@police.vic.gov.au Read more: wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lounge&action=display&thread=143#ixzz1lkpeziTCI like good information. I believe it comes in many forms. I think that emotion is one very viable form of information. So are cold hard verifiable facts. In this highly personal and life altering situation I think it is a good thing to consider all information carefully, thoughtfully and lovingly. Meg1 |
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Post by emmarr75 on Feb 8, 2012 0:29:48 GMT -5
I can understand wa's desire to have "the facts" in the form of verifiable evidence. Reading through this thread - it presents as a truly horrific situation which is still unfolding.
Like others I also suggest that wa contact the admins at Wings for further info. I seriously doubt whether the police officer in charge would share info - although I'm sure he would appreciate any further info that wa may choose to share
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 4:50:22 GMT -5
I can understand wa's desire to have "the facts" in the form of verifiable evidence. Reading through this thread - it presents as a truly horrific situation which is still unfolding. Like others I also suggest that wa contact the admins at Wings for further info. I seriously doubt whether the police officer in charge would share info - although I'm sure he would appreciate any further info that wa may choose to share The best evidence regarded by most courts today in the Western world is the testimony of two credible witnesses whose evidence coincides. The person must be considered reliable, competent and truthful. Whatever standards anyone wants to prove or disregard something, base it upon that. It serves the legal process well. I beieve it's even scriptural? |
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Post by taswegian on Feb 8, 2012 6:12:35 GMT -5
are you an 'ex'? or a present member of the fellowship?
present
Can you give true verifiable details of how the workers in Vict have incorrectly handled the EB matter?initially told people who came forward it was in the past and not to be addressed. HAve met with vicitims and told them EB has apologised and no need to take it to the law. Promised to take certain steps requested by victims if did not go to police, ie would tell all present friends in TAs and contact all past people from within the fellowship who may have been exposed. Still has not happened
Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how they have not dealt honestly openly and in a matter that would inspire confidence in the ministry.
Advised friends there was only one victim of EB was over 30 years ago and he had repented
Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how the reality is not being told to the friends.
Have not openly disclosed to the firends in Tas that there were was one victim who pressed charges and many who did not.
Details (verifiable and undeniable) that the workers have tolerance for child abuse.
Actively moved workers around fields and put in areas were there were less children. Current affair between worker and friend still being tolerated today
I'm not interested in responses after the kind of some of the pathetic gossipy, rumour based or baseless posts that litter this thread.
I'm only interested in posts by posters who will stand by the word they post and post verifiable and undeniable facts.
What do you want dates facts times names? Pay WINGS a visit ask to speak with some there who have been abused, disbelieved and ridiculed for telling the truth
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Post by who on earth on Feb 8, 2012 6:54:45 GMT -5
Current affair between worker and friend still being tolerated today Who on earth is this? At least it's not criminal. But it does make a mockery of their celibacy. God's law would require them to marry surely? Gobsmacked |
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Post by Kitten Slippers on Feb 8, 2012 6:59:52 GMT -5
Ram, Taswegian and Meg1. thanks for your posts. Have put it so much better than I possibly could. This kitty too emotional.
But Taswegian you say you are not interested in pathetic gossip. Well you've just given us some! The worker and friend affair. I must have had my head in the sand, or not on the grapevine. Something we didnt really need to know. There are a few odd things tolerated in Tas. Dont know if its the same in other states.
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Post by to kitty on Feb 8, 2012 7:04:12 GMT -5
Ram, Taswegian and Meg1. thanks for your posts. Have put it so much better than I possibly could. This kitty too emotional. But Taswegian you say you are not interested in pathetic gossip. Well you've just given us some! The worker and friend affair. I must have had my head in the sand, or not on the grapevine. Something we didnt really need to know. There are a few odd things tolerated in Tas. Dont know if its the same in other states. Taswegian was quoting WA, she's not the one not interested in hot gossip ;D Tell us some of the odd things tolerated in little tassie. Surely not! |
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Post by Quibbler on Feb 8, 2012 7:04:24 GMT -5
Current affair between worker and friend still being tolerated today Who on earth is this? At least it's not criminal. But it does make a mockery of their celibacy. God's law would require them to marry surely? Gobsmacked How mind boggling. Now I wont be able to sleep. Is the friend single or married, divorced. You've really started something Taswegian.
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Feb 8, 2012 7:10:07 GMT -5
Ram, Taswegian and Meg1. thanks for your posts. Have put it so much better than I possibly could. This kitty too emotional. But Taswegian you say you are not interested in pathetic gossip. Well you've just given us some! The worker and friend affair. I must have had my head in the sand, or not on the grapevine. Something we didnt really need to know. There are a few odd things tolerated in Tas. Dont know if its the same in other states. Taswegian was quoting WA, she's not the one not interested in hot gossip ;D Tell us some of the odd things tolerated in little tassie. Surely not! I think I can guess the odd thing. If we were "worldly" we wouldnt find it odd at all. Surprised that it is tolerated. Or maybe others dont see it like we do, cos we a bit worldly.  |
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Post by who on earth on Feb 8, 2012 7:14:52 GMT -5
is the worker male and the friend female, or is it the other way around, or is it.... golly mind boggles at the possibilities! Maybe one's ex-worker? this makes it the quirky isle |
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Post by Kitten slippers on Feb 8, 2012 7:16:53 GMT -5
;D OK "to kitty" I've re-read Taswegians post. I've got it now. My brain is as slow as my computer tonight. Really Taswegian, you cant post things on here unless you expect some sort of response. Was that the idea. Just couldnt hang onto that bit of gosip any longer. Give us a hint |
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Post by Quibbler on Feb 8, 2012 7:20:54 GMT -5
;D OK "to kitty" I've re-read Taswegians post. I've got it now. My brain is as slow as my computer tonight. Really Taswegian, you cant post things on here unless you expect some sort of response. Was that the idea. Just couldnt hang onto that bit of gosip any longer. Give us a hint QUIRKY AND QUAINT we are. What do you expect of 2 heads. |
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Feb 8, 2012 7:29:06 GMT -5
Hey you lot, we'll have WA havin a go at us again for gossiping. I cant cope with the idea of a worker/friend affair tonight. Papa Mouse will have a fit! Anyway if Taswegian has stated a true fact, then its not gossip. IS IT.
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Post by Quibbler on Feb 8, 2012 7:31:23 GMT -5
2 ex workers
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He's certainly got an attitude problem. Scared that the so-called rumours may be true, and someone might just do a bit more investigating. Too many people pretending nothing wrong and stuff didnt happen. Well suck it up WA- there are those who know its not rumours, cos it happened to them. 
He didnt deny he is PD. 
