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Post by Angelina Mouse on Jan 29, 2012 5:43:14 GMT -5
Post 359 Redback. Sounds good Redback. How long do you think it would take to organise eveyone? They talk about unity. I cant see it. If they only knew what people were thinking. Maybe a whole lot of people wouldnt have left if they had been honest about everything, and willing to change. Too stuck in the mud!! And Mud sticks. Aussie22 Wonder if any Gippslanders online. It was Morwell court. Wouldnt know what the local paper is called there.  Also another poster wrote of exes being thought of as enemies. Well here is one inny that certainly doesnt think that way. Glad of everyones input and ideas. In or out. |
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Post by Local paper on Jan 29, 2012 6:05:21 GMT -5
The local paper is the Latrobe Valley Express.
Just had a quick look through their online archives - nothing there.
The paper may have a police rounds - be worth a look
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Jan 29, 2012 18:27:48 GMT -5
The local paper is the Latrobe Valley Express. Just had a quick look through their online archives - nothing there. The paper may have a police rounds - be worth a look Its possible to pay money and have it blocked from the newspaper. Reckon they have done that. Hushed it up. Could be awkward otherwise. Very awkward for everyone. In or out. Imagine people would turn their noses up at us even more. |
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Post by Pigs also might fly on Jan 30, 2012 17:32:56 GMT -5
The local paper is the Latrobe Valley Express. Just had a quick look through their online archives - nothing there. The paper may have a police rounds - be worth a look Its possible to pay money and have it blocked from the newspaper. Reckon they have done that. Hushed it up. Could be awkward otherwise. Very awkward for everyone. In or out. Imagine people would turn their noses up at us even more.
"Its possible to pay money and have it blocked from the newspapers. Reckon that has been done."Its also possible that 'pigs might fly'? That probably won't be blocked from the newspapers tho... it might even make the headlines of the Latrobe Valley Express? It will be very awkward for everyone, especially pilots, don't hush that up, don't want plane and pig collisions. |
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Feb 1, 2012 3:31:33 GMT -5
"Pigs might fly" We dont particularly WANT it hushed up. Just as well the court case wasnt here in Tas. or it prob would hav been splashed over the front page of the newspaper. In the last Year or two our local paper has got so dramatic in its headlines. Sometimes I think they have trouble finding something to write about. Some of it is "sensational" Not. Anyway, if there was a big writeup, Probably no-one would be going to the mtgs. Too ashamed.!!!!!!!
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Post by flying pigs and hush money on Feb 1, 2012 4:11:07 GMT -5
angelina mousse,
you've missed the point of pigs might fly's post
The probability money was paid to hush it up and that 'pigs might fly' is about that same.
get the drift?
If you feel money might have been paid to hush it up then I suggest you also watch the headlines of the Latrobe Valley Express for the sensational news of flying pigs.
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Post by Angelina Mouse on Feb 1, 2012 18:28:56 GMT -5
angelina mousse, you've missed the point of pigs might fly's post The probability money was paid to hush it up and that 'pigs might fly' is about that same. get the drift? If you feel money might have been paid to hush it up then I suggest you also watch the headlines of the Latrobe Valley Express for the sensational news of flying pigs. Presume this is a typo, but I am a mouse not a mousse!! If it wasnt hushed up, it would have been in the newspaper. Well was it there or not? Amazing the so-called news that doesnt get into newspapers, because of money paid to hush it up. Why would anyone think they wouldnt hush it up. |
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Post by Flying pigs etc on Feb 2, 2012 4:39:43 GMT -5
You are perhaps correct. Who is going to be interested in a court case involving a homeless unpaid "minister" with a un-natural fascination for young girls?
It probably wasn't reported on because of the legal obligation to not name the offender.
I feel for the one brave survivor who took a courageous stand against a huge injustice!
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Post by Samson on Feb 4, 2012 3:59:14 GMT -5
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Post by to Samson on Feb 4, 2012 4:37:20 GMT -5
So it's not just another rumor
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Post by Hello boys on Feb 4, 2012 7:07:46 GMT -5
If you know of any young boys who were molested get on over to the wings forum and tell what you know wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgiDo not be part of the cover up please. |
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Post by cooee on Feb 6, 2012 16:10:46 GMT -5
This was reported recently on the "Breaking the Silence" board:
"EB was spotted at a caravan park in Sorrento"
This is a scary thought, all those holiday making families with little girls running around in their bathers.
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Post by actions not TMB posts on Feb 6, 2012 20:45:21 GMT -5
This was reported recently on the "Breaking the Silence" board: "EB was spotted at a caravan park in Sorrento" This is a scary thought, all those holiday making families with little girls running around in their bathers. While have zero tolerance for CSA and compassion and care for victims I fail to understand the agenda of those who make some of the pathetic posts on this thread? |
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Post by spidercam on Feb 6, 2012 20:58:31 GMT -5
Why is it pathetic for Friends to keep tabs on where pedophiles are living?
Pedophiles are serial offenders. Just because only one victim presses charges and the court only convicts on multiple offences against one victim, this man is known to have molested many young girls over long years.
It would be best if Workers informed the Friends of reality but in absence of that, thankfully the Friends are taking protection of children seriously.
I'm sure protection of children is their agenda. Like you, most of us would have zero tolerance for CSA and compassion and care for victims. Why not the same for most Workers ? What is their agenda?
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Post by WA on Feb 7, 2012 0:43:48 GMT -5
Why is it pathetic for Friends to keep tabs on where pedophiles are living? Pedophiles are serial offenders. Just because only one victim presses charges and the court only convicts on multiple offences against one victim, this man is known to have molested many young girls over long years. It would be best if Workers informed the Friends of reality but in absence of that, thankfully the Friends are taking protection of children seriously. I'm sure protection of children is their agenda. Like you, most of us would have zero tolerance for CSA and compassion and care for victims. Why not the same for most Workers ? What is their agenda? Yes pathetic posts, amongst the meaningful posts by mature people there are the no shortage of pathetic posts by those with the same mentality as children who throw stones and then run away. gossipy ludicrous and baseless baseless posts from weirdo posters You are seriously out of touch with reality if you don't realize that workers except for the rare exception have no tolerance for child abuse. |
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Post by spidercam on Feb 7, 2012 2:11:54 GMT -5
You are seriously out of touch with reality if you don't realize that workers except for the rare exception have no tolerance for child abuse. If only you were right. But you are from WA? and maybe it's true for you. WA seems remarkably free of the problems further east. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 4:47:15 GMT -5
Why is it pathetic for Friends to keep tabs on where pedophiles are living? Pedophiles are serial offenders. Just because only one victim presses charges and the court only convicts on multiple offences against one victim, this man is known to have molested many young girls over long years. It would be best if Workers informed the Friends of reality but in absence of that, thankfully the Friends are taking protection of children seriously. I'm sure protection of children is their agenda. Like you, most of us would have zero tolerance for CSA and compassion and care for victims. Why not the same for most Workers ? What is their agenda? Yes pathetic posts, amongst the meaningful posts by mature people there are the no shortage of pathetic posts by those with the same mentality as children who throw stones and then run away. gossipy ludicrous and baseless baseless posts from weirdo posters You are seriously out of touch with reality if you don't realize that workers except for the rare exception have no tolerance for child abuse. I think the real issue is a clear lack of love for the victims and the friends in general. It is quite obvious that the csa cases which come to light show the workers in bad light. The impression that comes across quite vividly is that they are shepherds of the wolves and not the sheep. They spare the wolves from the flock. |
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Post by not WA on Feb 7, 2012 6:06:50 GMT -5
Yes pathetic posts, amongst the meaningful posts by mature people there are the no shortage of pathetic posts by those with the same mentality as children who throw stones and then run away. gossipy ludicrous and baseless baseless posts from weirdo posters You are seriously out of touch with reality if you don't realize that workers except for the rare exception have no tolerance for child abuse. finished venting? I do agree that not many workers would say they tolerate child abuse. Probably none would say that including the worker just convicted. But you know what? On the evidence it's far more important to them to protect The Way and the reputation of Workers than making a stand against sex abuse of children is . In other words, intolerance of CSA is a lower priority when it should be the highest. And duh, that is doing the MOST damage to their reputations but they can't see it  |
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Post by WA Guest on Feb 7, 2012 7:02:44 GMT -5
I feel the same as WA, but if PD really cared about the issue dont you think he would have gone a lot further with the Tas case than he has. |I reckon, he along with the other workers just hope the issue will go away.
And the victims continue to suffer, some will till the end of their days because they dont have the courage to speak out.
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Post by WA Guest on Feb 7, 2012 7:04:32 GMT -5
sorry, I am a different poster than:
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Post by wanda on Feb 7, 2012 7:06:48 GMT -5
Completely agree with you NotWA - it's all about covering up and not acknowledging or helping the victims.
Chilid Sexual abuse amongst the friends is rife in Tasmania - I know of at least 15 victims personally who have been abused by family members and friends.
There are also cases in WA and SA and QLD of a similar nature.
The workers only want to cover it all up - they encourage families not to take it further as it may 'harm the church'.
So, when a worker himself does the same thing, the covering blanket is twice as thick and heavy - better to hide the sin and help the perpetrator than comfort the victim and acknowledge the pain.
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Post by cover up on Feb 7, 2012 7:16:26 GMT -5
I feel the same as WA, but if PD really cared about the issue dont you think he would have gone a lot further with the Tas case than he has. |I reckon, he along with the other workers just hope the issue will go away. And the victims continue to suffer, some will till the end of their days because they dont have the courage to speak out. I agree. The workers think that by dealing with EB that everything is fine and that CSA will not happen again. They are so naive. They won't accept that there are many other victims of CSA wh are suffering silently too afraid to speak out because of the fear of being shunned and ostracized by the f&w. Why don't the workers tell the truth about EB and deal with CSA in an open and honest way? |
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Post by Quibbler on Feb 7, 2012 8:30:48 GMT -5
Thanks for keeping us informed "cooee". Glad I dont live in Vic. Not that theres anything wrong with the north island. Just wouldnt want to be near Sorrento. Must be difficult for the Victorians. Is it right quite a few have left the mtgs. WA guest can just get back in their box. You dont know us and what we have had to deal with. And if you do, your're pretty unfeeling!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 8:39:07 GMT -5
The reason why the workers are hopelessly out of touch and inept at dealing with any social, criminal or moral problem in the church is that, that guy Irvine took a strictly missionary role and after a year or two he attached a church fellowship to it. The Fath Mission had it right.
How can a peripatetic ministry deal effectively with matters which require fixed roles in fixed places to address them properly? All the workers can offer for just about any problem whatsoever is "Just pray about it," and "keep coming to meetings!" That's as far as it goes and in fairness, considering their role is primarily a missionary role, ie itinerant gospel messengers, we should not expect too much from them. In fact, should we expect anything from them? Even in their missionary role they appear to be less than ineffective in most areas.
Jesus promised to send the very persons and roles to the church to address matters affecting the church as it developed. We see it happening in the NT before our very eyes. The Apostles were too busy with spreading the good news that when the matter of the neglected widows arose they asked the church (a precedent) to appoint a committee of seven just men to oversee the matter. This was the start of Jesus's promise to send forth pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets, etc, yet the Irvines at the turn of the 20th century decided that they would hug all the power and responsibility for themselves and made themselves out to be all those things that Jesus promised.
Basically the role of the worker is not a role that can do anything effectively outside carrying the gospel message and even that is in serious doubt.
Unfortunately the perfect way system has no inbuilt provision to look after anyone's needs except the workers and even many of them are failed by it.
It is time to get real. The workers shy away from responsibility because their very role demands they travel light and unburdened by the concerns and material goods of this world. However, having this as the only ministerial role in the fellowship is a gross failure and results in many problems and much condemnation which they have brought upon themselves.
The appointing of a committee of seven men by the early church (not the Apostles) to address the needs of the widows was a highly notable precedent, but one which is not Irvinely acceptable.
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Post by WA on Feb 7, 2012 14:54:03 GMT -5
Why is it pathetic for Friends to keep tabs on where pedophiles are living? Pedophiles are serial offenders. Just because only one victim presses charges and the court only convicts on multiple offences against one victim, this man is known to have molested many young girls over long years. It would be best if Workers informed the Friends of reality but in absence of that, thankfully the Friends are taking protection of children seriously. I'm sure protection of children is their agenda. Like you, most of us would have zero tolerance for CSA and compassion and care for victims. Why not the same for most Workers ? What is their agenda?spidercam You are there in Vict I assume? are you an 'ex'? or a present member of the fellowship? Can you give correct details of how the workers in Vict have handled the EB matter. Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how they have not dealt honestly openly and in a matter that would inspire confidence in the ministry. Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how the reality is being told to the friends. Details (verifiable and undeniable) that the workers have tolerance for child abuse. I'm not interested in responses after the kind of some of the pathetic gossipy, rumour based or baseless posts that litter this thread. I'm only interested in posts by posters who will stand by the word they post and post verifiable and undeniable facts. |
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Post by wa on Feb 7, 2012 15:02:54 GMT -5
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Details (verifiable and undeniable) of how the reality is NOT being told to the friends.
If the workers are not handling CSA as it should be then someone needs to have the backbone to visit DL and tell him so. It may be that situation is as they perceive or it may be that after a visit with DL that they will feel differently?
I don't know?
But I do know that the spineless stone throwers who come, throw a stone and run; who throw a gossipy or rumour based or baseless post on this thread are pathetic.... weak charactered cowards
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Post by Kitten slippers on Feb 7, 2012 16:50:22 GMT -5
To WA, you are presuming that the posts are from ex mtg people. Well you are certainly wrong about quite a few of them. the others could be ins or outs. Maybe only they know. The most pathetic posts on here are yours. Theres a very nasty nature coming thru your posts!!! How do you know how workers feel about CSA. Thats easy. You are a whinging worker. All we are asking for firstly is some honesty!!!!! doesnt seem to have happened. Has anyone at all had a worker come to them and say they hate the thought of CSA and want to make sure it doesnt happen again. There are mums and dads that read here, that wonder if their kids will be safe with workers staying in their homes. Pretty natural reaction I reckon. There are still people who dont know. I know of someone who has been informed recently - not by me - and she is utterly devastated. Guess what WA- Nastiness will get you nowhere - unchristian sort of an attitude anyway. You are not being helpful, just condemning. We do feel sorry for innocent workers - Im afraid theyve all been tarred with the same brush. HEY RAM - great post. Keep it up. Many thanks.
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Post by Quibbler on Feb 7, 2012 17:00:45 GMT -5
Why is it pathetic for Friends to keep tabs on where pedophiles are living? Pedophiles are serial offenders. Just because only one victim presses charges and the court only convicts on multiple offences against one victim, this man is known to have molested many young girls over long years. It would be best if Workers informed the Friends of reality but in absence of that, thankfully the Friends are taking protection of children seriously. I'm sure protection of children is their agenda. Like you, most of us would have zero tolerance for CSA and compassion and care for victims. Why not the same for most Workers ? What is their agenda? Yes pathetic posts, amongst the meaningful posts by mature people there are the no shortage of pathetic posts by those with the same mentality as children who throw stones and then run away. gossipy ludicrous and baseless baseless posts from weirdo posters You are seriously out of touch with reality if you don't realize that workers except for the rare exception have no tolerance for child abuse. Weirdo posters. weirdo posters. Yep thats about right. We're all a bit weird at the best of times. Just ask any of the local people in your town if they think F&W are weird. I know girl who was told to her face that she wore some very weird clothes. She didnt look weird in a meeting. I reckon WA is PD. Im sure he'll tell us if hes not ;D |
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