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Post by peacefulheart on Apr 7, 2011 15:02:25 GMT -5
Why do we (F&W) insist on following the words of Paul on things such as dress attire, hair, etc......however, the women do not keep silent in the church? I know his words in some situations were addressing issues of that day, but why do we pick and choose "which" of his words to follow if he is speaking for God?  |
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Post by apple on Apr 7, 2011 15:08:12 GMT -5
The workers quote Acts 2:17 as a reason for women to preach:
Acts 2
17 ‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy
But prophesying isn't the same as preaching.
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Post by peacefulheart on Apr 7, 2011 15:21:38 GMT -5
Yes apple,
It is confusing to me. Paul specifically says that women are to keep silent. That is pretty darn clear.......no trying to decipher what is being said there.
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Post by Jason Storebo on Apr 21, 2012 13:47:50 GMT -5
Who's this Paul person that such credence and importance should be given to him?
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Post by bubbles on Sept 13, 2014 5:56:51 GMT -5
I heard a lot preached on Paul as a 2x2
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 19:03:58 GMT -5
Who's this Paul person that such credence and importance should be given to him? i take it your being sarcastic here..but i'll play... Paul is one of Christ great success stories he was an enemy of the church and Christ converted him into a follower... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2014 19:39:14 GMT -5
Why do we (F&W) insist on following the words of Paul on things such as dress attire, hair, etc......however, the women do not keep silent in the church? I know his words in some situations were addressing issues of that day, but why do we pick and choose "which" of his words to follow if he is speaking for God? It sounds like a contradiction, but Paul's own example was that he called Priscilla a fellow worker with him. You have to know something about Jewish behavior in synagogues to know why he would tell them to be quiet in church. Synagogue is men's business, and the women have historically and still are notorious for gossiping in synagogue to the annoyance/disturbance of the men's business. A Jewish rabbi I studied with told me that, and Paul obviously didn't want that happening in "Christian" services. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2014 19:40:11 GMT -5
Who's this Paul person that such credence and importance should be given to him? i take it your being sarcastic here..but i'll play... Paul is one of Christ great success stories he was an enemy of the church and Christ converted him into a follower... Or, Paul was the one to made Jesus a "Christ". |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2014 19:40:52 GMT -5
Who's this Paul person that such credence and importance should be given to him? Paul is largely responsible for making Jesus "the Christ". |
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Post by bubbles on Sept 16, 2014 6:24:04 GMT -5
Who's this Paul person that such credence and importance should be given to him? Paul is largely responsible for making Jesus "the Christ". |
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Post by bubbles on Sept 16, 2014 6:27:28 GMT -5
Christ ? The anointed one?
I would have thought it was the power of God that made him who he is.
The holy spirit the power of the godhead.
"Endued with power from on high"
It was after this that Jesus performed the miracles. Many entered the kingdom.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 16, 2014 7:18:37 GMT -5
Women in silence?
Might pay to check out all the women in scripture that were used by god.
Instead of hanging off the words of Paul.
Jesus loved women. He wasnt threatened by them.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 16, 2014 15:03:50 GMT -5
Women in silence? Might pay to check out all the women in scripture that were used by god. Instead of hanging off the words of Paul. Jesus loved women. He wasnt threatened by them. Who said anything about women being used by God? This was about women being silent in church. Of course, some women seem to think they have to be talking all the time to fulfill their purpose, I guess. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 16, 2014 15:07:26 GMT -5
Christ ? The anointed one? I would have thought it was the power of God that made him who he is. I know you would have. That's why I told you the difference. The point is, Jesus wasn't the first one to perform those miracles. And as educated as Paul was supposed to be, he knew that was so. Ironically, Paul never read the 4 Christian gospels. |
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Post by bubbles on Sept 16, 2014 16:53:48 GMT -5
Paul was referring to women being silent in the synagoe.
Its not different than him saying keep silent in the church.
Paul and I would have clashed.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 16, 2014 16:55:41 GMT -5
I havent read every post btw
Dont have that kind of time on my hands
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 16, 2014 17:42:32 GMT -5
Paul was referring to women being silent in the synagoe. Its not different than him saying keep silent in the church. Paul and I would have clashed. I don't think you read what I wrote carefully enough. Paul didn't want the women gossiping and visiting and disturbing the services. I also said that Paul had at one point a "woman" companion. You would probably like Paul more than Jesus. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 16, 2014 17:44:27 GMT -5
I havent read every post btw Dont have that kind of time on my hands  Just time to answer, huh? |
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Post by bubbles on Sept 16, 2014 19:46:54 GMT -5
Yea im lippy..lol
In and out if here like a gumdiggers dog
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Post by Mary on Sept 17, 2014 2:18:36 GMT -5
Women in silence? Might pay to check out all the women in scripture that were used by god. Instead of hanging off the words of Paul. Jesus loved women. He wasnt threatened by them. Who said anything about women being used by God? This was about women being silent in church. Of course, some women seem to think they have to be talking all the time to fulfill their purpose, I guess. This seems to be a sexist comment to me. Men do their share of talking and have to put women down when they talk? |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 17, 2014 3:01:01 GMT -5
Who said anything about women being used by God? This was about women being silent in church. Of course, some women seem to think they have to be talking all the time to fulfill their purpose, I guess. This seems to be a sexist comment to me. Men do their share of talking and have to put women down when they talk? It's not really. It's a poke at women who, by their own admission, believe they can be excused for talking for the sake of talking, when and where they feel like it, and whether they're listening to the people they're talking to or not. I didn't have you in mind. In fact, I really don't know many women like that at all. Paul didn't like them doing that in church -- it was disruptive to the service. |
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Post by Mary on Sept 17, 2014 3:17:52 GMT -5
Apply the same principle to men too please.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 17, 2014 3:21:18 GMT -5
Mary
Hes probably referring to a flipant comment I made a while back about women needing to speak 3000 words a day.
As a result other daft comments were made about no thought to my statements and no substance. Lol
I can live with that.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 17, 2014 15:26:26 GMT -5
Apply the same principle to men too please. Don't worry, I do. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 17, 2014 15:28:36 GMT -5
Mary Hes probably referring to a flipant comment I made a while back about women needing to speak 3000 words a day. As a result other daft comments were made about no thought to my statements and no substance. Lol I can live with that. See how it works, Mary. I can be as silly as anyone else. Ask my wife. |
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Post by Gene on Sept 17, 2014 18:17:17 GMT -5
Mary Hes probably referring to a flipant comment I made a while back about women needing to speak 3000 words a day. As a result other daft comments were made about no thought to my statements and no substance. Lol I can live with that. 3,000 words per day is near-monkish. From Wiki: "Audiobooks are recommended to be 150–160 words per minute, which is the range that people comfortably hear and vocalize words." Which means that women typically speak at a rate of 300 to 320 words per minute. Multiply that by 18 hours (that includes that insufferable "pillow-talk") and you have women speaking at a rate of at least 324,000 words per day. Or 3,000 if she's sulking.  |
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Post by bubbles on Sept 17, 2014 19:32:56 GMT -5
Mary Hes probably referring to a flipant comment I made a while back about women needing to speak 3000 words a day. As a result other daft comments were made about no thought to my statements and no substance. Lol I can live with that. 3,000 words per day is near-monkish. From Wiki: "Audiobooks are recommended to be 150–160 words per minute, which is the range that people comfortably hear and vocalize words." Which means that women typically speak at a rate of 300 to 320 words per minute. Multiply that by 18 hours (that includes that insufferable "pillow-talk") and you have women speaking at a rate of at least 324,000 words per day. Or 3,000 if she's sulking. |
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Post by bubbles on Sept 17, 2014 19:35:25 GMT -5
Oi.. That sounds exhausting!  ? Hey it worked. ? |
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Just time to answer, huh?
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