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Post by freedonforever on Sept 17, 2008 7:33:29 GMT -5
I believe the date is June 26, 2008. It cpould have been the next day but it was at the end of June. They already made a court appearance on July 11th probably before the district court so that it could be bound over to the criminal court. Scott I am sorry if I used the words lying instead of a false report but I thought they meant the same thing. False means not true and I always thought not true meant a lie. So, however it is put, it all ends up in the criminal court. Now no one can say that the workers names are not on the records as witnesses. This report or arrest has not been put on Wings for Truth. That could show that there are true charges and false charges about sexual abuse and etc. Lots of surprises for people that just don't want to believe it.
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Post by freedonforever on Sept 17, 2008 8:04:57 GMT -5
White Knight has posted a legal document. Anyone that can read can tell that. It is all about a terrible ordeal for him. People that want to not give him any credibility can't say this is just a imagination anymore. You can see June, 2008, when the charges were made and an arrest and you can read, Sept. 19th they are to appear in a criminal court for a false report. It also reads it is for false sexual allegations and etc. You can also read who is on the witness list for the criminal case. Now, no one can say that this isn't true, nor exaggerated nor just a witch hunt against the girls and workers and etc. because the poor girls don't lie.
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Post by peace and joy on Sept 17, 2008 12:46:39 GMT -5
Thank you White Knight for posting that. It was nice meeting you and your family at Carsonville this year.
It looks like the truth is finally going to come out. Unfortunately, I'm sure there aren't going to be apologies to those wronged and falsely accused.
It's really too bad that so many (friends, workers, media, those who thought they knew so much of what was going on, and in reality, did not) automatically assumed the worse about those accused. It's really too bad that some were shunned by others and encouraged by JF to do so. Who are we to judge others, and decide who is guilty and who is not? I pray for all involved and hope healing is now going to take place.
It has already been proved that the twins lied. That was done by investigators who verified some of the accused were not in the state or the country at the time the crimes supposedly took place. The court case is about making false reports to the police that felonies took place which did not occur.
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Post by degem on Sept 17, 2008 12:48:31 GMT -5
I think there should be apologies to those were wronged and falsely accused.
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Post by lin on Sept 17, 2008 13:06:01 GMT -5
Gem It will never happen people that do these things have another purpose, and this will not be the last . I'm sure. A wolf always seeks out it's victims weakness not it's strength.
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Post by degem on Sept 17, 2008 13:13:35 GMT -5
I have seen videos and pictures of wolves silently stalking their prey, some slithering across almost belly down to the ground.
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Post by lin on Sept 17, 2008 13:25:30 GMT -5
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Post by freedonforever on Sept 17, 2008 18:10:55 GMT -5
That is the two workers, ex, Kelly Holt and Sharon Jones. Jerome was in Fla. for awhile and that is where Sharon is from. From there Jerome went to Ky. and that is where he brought Kelly from.
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Post by White Knight on Sept 17, 2008 23:48:36 GMT -5
2008001950 DG STATE OF MICHIGAN COMPLAINT CASE NO.: 2008001950 71-A JUDICIAL DISTRICT FELONY DISTRICT: 40th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT CIRCUIT: District Court ORI:M Circuit Court ORI:M 5J 255 Clay Street, Lapeer, Ml 48446 810-867-0314 255 Clay Street, Lapeer, Ml 48446 810-667-0358 Defendant’s name and address Victim or complainant THE PEOPLE OF THE V STEPHANIE JEAN DISGT BRIAN FERGUSON STATE OF MICHIGAN 1650 HURDS CORNER ROAD Complaining Witness CARO, MI 48723 Court Officer Co-defendant(s) Date: On or about BETHANIE ARIEL NOV 2007-JUNE 2008 City/TwpJVilIage County in Michigan Defendant TCN Defendant CTN Lapeer Lapeer 44-08001950-01 Defendant SID Defendant DOB 02/03/1989 Police agency report no. {Charge DLN Type. vehicle Type Defendant DLN 34-1959-07 See below K552 777 385 091 Witnesses BRUCE BAILEY SHARON JONES KELLY HOLT DR. CHARLES LEPO DR. JOHN JONES TROOPER MARY BANNON MSP POLYGRAPH OPERATOR RE: D/SGT. MICHAEL HARRINGTON DISGT W. SMITH SWONGER TROOPER CRAIG SUSAN WITHEROW LT. GARY PARKS * D/SGT BRIAN FERGUSON STATE OF MICHIGAN, COUNTY OF LAPEER The complaining witness says that on the date and at the location described above, the defendant, contrary to law, COUNT 1: FALSE REPORT OF A FELONY did, intentionally make, or cause to be made, a false report of the commission of a felony, including, but not limited to, Criminal Sexual Conduct and/or Child Sexually Abusive Activity, to be made to a peace officer of the Michigan State Police, knowing that the report was false; contrary to MCL 750.411a(1)(b). [ IAIBI FELONY: 4 Years and/or $2,000.00 Upon conviction of a felony or an attempted felony court shall order law enforcement to collect DNA identification profiling samples. b/c 1Ir’ ,i C’ - •z)T c £ W it may ub y to - _S.aI ‘ S The complaining witness asks that the defendant be apprehended and dealt with according to law. Peace Officers On! ) I declare that the statemefl above are true to the best of my information, knowledge and belief. Warrant authorized on W / by: : Date 6/26/08 mplaining ature / Cailin N. Chr V
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Post by greenthumb on Sept 18, 2008 7:07:44 GMT -5
WHITE KNIGHT,
The court document - is this a copy of the original or did you type it word for word?
Will you be at the Sept 19th hearing?
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Post by lin on Sept 18, 2008 7:27:24 GMT -5
The focus falls on the two workers and the girls. The focus should be on the source and motives of the information they were supplied with .
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Post by bandtroll on Sept 18, 2008 9:30:00 GMT -5
The focus falls on the two workers and the girls. The focus should be on the source and motives of the information they were supplied with . So far it looks like only the girls have been charges. Is there a 'legal focus' on the workers, or just on the TMB? I doubt that 'source and motives' are of intrest to the court, unless they point to other criminal acts.
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Post by harpsichord on Sept 18, 2008 9:55:40 GMT -5
The focus falls on the two workers and the girls. The focus should be on the source and motives of the information they were supplied with . So far it looks like only the girls have been charges. Is there a 'legal focus' on the workers, or just on the TMB? I doubt that 'source and motives' are of intrest to the court, unless they point to other criminal acts. I doubt that 'source and motives' are of intrest to the court, unless they point to other criminal acts.[/quote] I disagree with thoughts on motives in summary findings. The court will review the source and findings to include circumstances leading to the false reports--i.e. The Court may find that the defendants were coerced and confused based on over whelming influence by the (Workers Group/or others) and mental conditioning. This will not determine the lack of Guilt but may have great influence on the Judgments---Further, if found not guilty based on summary findings --- No, it is not a mandate to go after those falsely accused.
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Post by ronhall on Sept 18, 2008 9:56:21 GMT -5
One has to remember that this is a court of man and pray for righteous judgment.
But on the last day, all will be brought into judgment that will surely be righteous judgment.
So where man's judgment fails in unrighteousness, God's judgment will be righteous.
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Post by peace and joy on Sept 18, 2008 10:52:04 GMT -5
Lin - do you not think the focus should be on the twins or ex-workers? Do you think the whole mess was a result of info they were being fed from those running another website? It certainly destroys the credibility of one website I can think of. Accusing persons of sexual abuse is a very serious thing, and should not be done on a whim. This case has certainly not helped the cause of those who are truly sexually abused. I'm not sure what you meant by the focus should be on the source and motive of those feeding them the info.
Do you feel there will be any lessons learned from this whole mess? Do you think this was just a ploy to try to destroy those in the faith?
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Post by peace and joy on Sept 18, 2008 10:53:21 GMT -5
White Knight - are you going to be in court tomorrow?
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Post by bandtroll on Sept 18, 2008 11:32:13 GMT -5
I'm not Lin, but here's my two cents from a 1,000 miles away. Lin - do you not think the focus should be on the twins or ex-workers? The twins, I think that legally competent adults are responsible for their own actions. If the twins are found mentally ill, then there is the question of who used who. (Which website?) Agree on both counts, if those accusations stay in their criminal file, they may never be able to get a job in retail or anywhere else that childern are likely to be. Some posts have implied (IMO) that the girls may be been given 'leading questions' when coming up with the list of 200 based on ?? I really have no idea of a motive. Yes, that there is a lot more to LEARN about sexual abuse. Also, who's job it is to REPORT, and who's job it is to INVESTIGATE. Also, depending on the verdict, there is a lot to LEARN about mental illness. The 2x2 are not immune to either of these issues. I've heard this question raise before? Who is it that would be trying to destroy the 2x2 in this case? The twins were (or sounded to be) solid 2x2, the workers would have been pro-2x2. Who else was pushing this case forward?
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Post by peridot on Sept 18, 2008 11:39:31 GMT -5
One has to remember that this is a court of man and pray for righteous judgment. Amen.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 19, 2008 2:46:10 GMT -5
bandtroll: I can assume that the poster was talking about the website, WINGS. only due to the nature of the content there. If I'm wrong, sorry...it just fits in the context is all.) M.
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 19, 2008 7:39:53 GMT -5
Do you think the whole mess was a result of info they were being fed from those running another website? It certainly destroys the credibility of one website I can think of. Accusing persons of sexual abuse is a very serious thing, and should not be done on a whim.bandtroll: I can assume that the poster was talking about the website, WINGS. only due to the nature of the content there.WINGS CERTAINLY DID NOT 'FEED' ANY NAMES TO THE TWINS!!! When I spoke to investigators from the Michigan State Police, I answered questions in regards to individuals they were investigating. At no time did I give any names to be relayed to the twins. I am pretty sure that some of the issues will be cleared by the court in regards to this issue of where/why/how the names came up. Scott
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Post by bandtroll on Sept 19, 2008 11:23:12 GMT -5
WINGS CERTAINLY DID NOT 'FEED' ANY NAMES TO THE TWINS!!! When I spoke to investigators from the Michigan State Police, I answered questions in regards to individuals they were investigating. At no time did I give any names to be relayed to the twins. I am pretty sure that some of the issues will be cleared by the court in regards to this issue of where/why/how the names came up. Scott Thanks for removing any question on that issue.
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Post by dchaplin on Sept 19, 2008 13:09:57 GMT -5
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you think the whole mess was a result of info they were being fed from those running another website? It certainly destroys the credibility of one website I can think of. Accusing persons of sexual abuse is a very serious thing, and should not be done on a whim.
bandtroll: I can assume that the poster was talking about the website, WINGS. only due to the nature of the content there.
WINGS CERTAINLY DID NOT 'FEED' ANY NAMES TO THE TWINS!!!
When I spoke to investigators from the Michigan State Police, I answered questions in regards to individuals they were investigating. At no time did I give any names to be relayed to the twins.
I am pretty sure that some of the issues will be cleared by the court in regards to this issue of where/why/how the names came up.
Scott
Report Post - Link to Post - Back to Top Logged Previous Post BY Scott Ross: The news article is RELATIVELY ACCURATE W/ THE EXCEPTION OF the girls' ages--they were nearly 6 years old when they came in Nov 94. The girls haven't actually been saying the word "prostituion" THO THAT IS AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING...and the article is accurate in the sense that sexual abuse allegations were not why the 4 younger children were taken into state custody...it was b/c of Physical abuse and neglect that the parents plead guilty(edit:according to the TV news report, it wasn't a guilty plea, it was a 'no contest plea that was entered) after the Oct 26 deposition in which xxxxxxxxx testified for 2+ hours...in the court room with only her parents and 3 attorneys and court reporter present. SHE IS A VERY BRAVE LITTLE GIRL. The sexual abuse allegations came later and there is an open investigation re the sexual abuse allegations re the 4 minor children.
Hello my name is David K. Chaplin From Michigan, one of the original 10 accused of being involved in this " PROSTIUTION". I find it interesting that the law of our great country says that we are innocent until proven quilty. Jesus teaches us that we are to obey the laws of the land unless they are in direct conflict with our Biblical teachings. How is it, some of our Ministers and in some cases ex-ministers, teach us we are to obey these teachings but they don't have to abide by them. How is it there take is; we are guilty until proven innocent based on rumors and gossip as a result of someone(s) envious and self rightous spirit looking for vain glory? Just wondering???!!! Sincerely, David K. Chaplin
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 19, 2008 13:28:50 GMT -5
Hey Dave, If you go back and look at the original posting by me, you will notice that I edited it a few days ago concerning the wording. I have edited it as information came my way. I try to be as fair as possible concerning what has been posted here, and certainly did not post all the 'stuff' that I heard. The names came my way AFTER they were reported to the authorities. Yours was in the first group reported, and so I heard of it pretty quick. Incidentally, for those who haven't heard, The girls have been referred for further treatment at the forensic center. They have been found not competent to stand trial at this time.Not sure which direction this will take now, but that is the latest I have heard. Scott
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Post by greenthumb on Sept 19, 2008 14:55:18 GMT -5
How can the twins be "not competent" to stand trial when they were very capable of making up things that happened to them? Some of the things they claimed would have took some thinking. Maybe they are of a sick mind because the things reported were sickening.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 19, 2008 15:27:14 GMT -5
Very sorry if I assumed wrong. I wasn't responding to the first part of the post at any rate (feeding names) but the part that said about tainting its reputation or some such. (also, not that I was remotely agreeing with that...simply speculating on which website the person was talking about. ) In retrospect, I shouldn't speculate if I don't know and, as it was just a wild guess, I'm very sorry that I (apparently) assumed wrongly. M.
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Post by bandtroll on Sept 19, 2008 17:24:53 GMT -5
How can the twins be "not competent" to stand trial when they were very capable of making up things that happened to them? If you really want to know how the mentally ill function, go to where the 'bums' hang out in bigger towns, a homeless shelter, or even a bus depot. Of the ones I've 'spent time with,' it would be like they are living in a dream to the extent that they can't/don't control the thoughts that are going through their head. AND they believe those thoughts to be reality, they can describe in detail what 'has happened to them' because they've seen it all in their mind. Some can talk for hours until you start asking them details that weren't part of their 'dream.' Usually you will get a blank look and that's when you can really tell that it's not just someone who likes to talk. It's like their minds work on fast forward. If that was the case they would 'crazy' in the social sense of the word, but the judge would not have let them off. If we could jail all the people who "are of a sick mind because the things reported were sickening," just think of all the authors and movie directors that would be locked away.
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Post by bandtroll on Sept 19, 2008 18:03:07 GMT -5
It seems eerily baffling that both girls have similar or identical psychological problem(s), strange indeed, but they are twins! This whole thing is very strange. The judge does not have (most likely) a degree in psychology, so he is sending them to someone who does. For both to have problems is not that strange, a lot of it can be genetic. But for it to SHOW UP for the first time in both of them at the same time Or maybe they watched 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' and think they can succeed where Jack failed.
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Post by dgaab on Sept 19, 2008 18:09:56 GMT -5
They'd better beware of that antagonistic Nurse Mildred Ratched.
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