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Post by npdw on Jul 7, 2009 9:37:12 GMT -5
It would be the same God. He's one and the same.
I'm not addressing the issue of how gays are treated, or should be treated, I'm addressing the sinfulness of the lifestyle.
God loves the sinner, hates the sin.
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Post by scottishviking on Jul 7, 2009 10:41:52 GMT -5
It would be the same God. He's one and the same. but you said his mind wont be changed ? are you saying he still wants human sacrifice ?
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Post by npdw on Jul 7, 2009 12:12:26 GMT -5
I actually wasn't saying anything at all about human sacrifice!! Do stay on track.
However, because God required that in those days and doesn't require it today in the manner that you refer to does not mean he changed his mind. It was all part of His plan.
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Post by ilylo on Jul 7, 2009 12:41:08 GMT -5
Of course, that would be the same plan that requires circa 1890s buns/dresses on women, right?
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Post by rational on Jul 7, 2009 14:12:17 GMT -5
I actually wasn't saying anything at all about human sacrifice!! Do stay on track. However, because God required that in those days and doesn't require it today in the manner that you refer to does not mean he changed his mind. It was all part of His plan. I have read the rules in the OT. I do not see where god ever specifically stated they had changed/expired/been superseded/etc. From what I can read wearing clothes made of a linen/wool mixture is still a sin and when my child disobeys I should call my neighbors to have them help me stone my child to death. When were the changes instituted? I never got the memo.
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Post by npdw on Jul 7, 2009 14:28:39 GMT -5
Rational that's a really bizarre post. It suggests that you don't understand the significance of the life and death of Jesus. There're several "memos" as you put it, all over the scriptures, Hebrews 8 would be a good place to look for a nice clear one. Feel free to search the scriptures for the others.
Ilylo as we've come to expect you're being obtuse.
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Post by ilylo on Jul 7, 2009 18:05:23 GMT -5
Ilylo as we've come to expect you're being obtuse. No, you just can't handle the truth about your church.
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Post by Gene on Jul 7, 2009 18:52:15 GMT -5
With some trepidation I say this because I'm really not interested in stirring up any liberal, homosexual passions, or the wrath of any here who subscribe to this way of thinking. But yes there are people worldwide who believe gays are hellbound etc etc. And for different reasons. I won't say they're any more hellbound than another sinner, what I would say is to not acknowledge sin and to be so diligent in trying to pass it off as anything but, because it "feels good, or you think you're born this way, or you see nothing wrong with it, or whatever the case may be, well, hellbound comes to mind. In other words, whether you like it or not, or agree with it or not, or believe it or not, homosexuality is sinful and unnatural behavior, and God condemns it. So flaunting it and being proud of it rather than repenting, will put you just where the unrepentant sinner is. Hellbound. This is not just my opinion, it's scriptural. You can spend the rest of your life trying to change society's views on this, but fortunately, God's mind won't be changed because His word stands forever. No need to trepidate -- and no worries about stirring up this liberal homosexual's passion -- though you might kind of find you like it if you were to experience it! But anyway, back to the topic.... I fully understand why you would believe I am hellbound -- but ya see, for me to believe that I would have to believe in your god and in your scripture, and I believe in neither in the same way you do. So I'm left thanking god that I've been delivered from your god and your scripture. And then I move on to working to influence society's views on the matter.
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Post by npdw on Jul 8, 2009 6:56:17 GMT -5
And like I said, it really doesn't matter what you choose to believe or not. Or what we choose to believe or not. Because we're mere mortals. Certainly doesn't change facts. You have CHOSEN not to believe "my god and my scripture" in order to peacefully indulge yourself. So be it. Takes all types to make up this world!
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Post by npdw on Jul 8, 2009 7:04:35 GMT -5
Ilylo as we've come to expect you're being obtuse. No, you just can't handle the truth about your church. My dear Ilylo, have you ever heard about the dumb terminal? Look it up. It comes to mind reading your comments. In case you're too busy to research it, in a nutshell it's a machine with zero processing capability. It's there to perform one function and one alone. Seems familiar? Oh wait, I shouldn't expect a response actually based on the question, I'll probably get some drivel and tripe about the truth about my church!! OHHH the origins!!
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Post by ilylo on Jul 8, 2009 8:00:57 GMT -5
No, you just can't handle the truth about your church. My dear Ilylo, have you ever heard about the dumb terminal? Look it up. It comes to mind reading your comments. In case you're too busy to research it, in a nutshell it's a machine with zero processing capability. It's there to perform one function and one alone. Seems familiar? Oh wait, I shouldn't expect a response actually based on the question, I'll probably get some drivel and tripe about the truth about my church!! OHHH the origins!! Exactly. A dumb terminal shows up and insults those who talk about the 2x2 church. That's the result of zero processing of facts. Yes, it is very familiar. You are far from being the first 2x2 to show up on this forum and sling insults. We've seen this time and again. Just like a bunch of johnny-one-note-robots... aka dumb terminals. Speaking of too busy to do research... how are you coming along on your research of your own church?
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Post by npdw on Jul 8, 2009 8:39:37 GMT -5
My dear Ilylo, have you ever heard about the dumb terminal? Look it up. It comes to mind reading your comments. In case you're too busy to research it, in a nutshell it's a machine with zero processing capability. It's there to perform one function and one alone. Seems familiar? Oh wait, I shouldn't expect a response actually based on the question, I'll probably get some drivel and tripe about the truth about my church!! OHHH the origins!! Exactly. A dumb terminal shows up and insults those who talk about the 2x2 church. That's the result of zero processing of facts. Yes, it is very familiar. You are far from being the first 2x2 to show up on this forum and sling insults. We've seen this time and again. Just like a bunch of johnny-one-note-robots... aka dumb terminals. Speaking of too busy to do research... how are you coming along on your research of your own church? Yes yes. LOL. There we go. As expected. The origins. The truth. The research. yadda. yadda. yadda! You poor thing.
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Post by scottishviking on Jul 8, 2009 8:53:25 GMT -5
And like I said, it really doesn't matter what you choose to believe or not. Or what we choose to believe or not. Because we're mere mortals. quote] but you are quite sure that you are speaking on behalf of god ? and that others with different viewpoints are not ?
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Post by ilylo on Jul 8, 2009 10:56:48 GMT -5
Exactly. A dumb terminal shows up and insults those who talk about the 2x2 church. That's the result of zero processing of facts. Yes, it is very familiar. You are far from being the first 2x2 to show up on this forum and sling insults. We've seen this time and again. Just like a bunch of johnny-one-note-robots... aka dumb terminals. Speaking of too busy to do research... how are you coming along on your research of your own church? Yes yes. LOL. There we go. As expected. The origins. The truth. The research. yadda. yadda. yadda! You poor thing. Yes yes. LOL. There we go. As expected. Insult exes. yadda. yadda. yadda! You poor thing. So, how's your research coming along?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2009 13:39:35 GMT -5
And like I said, it really doesn't matter what you choose to believe or not. Or what we choose to believe or not. Because we're mere mortals. Certainly doesn't change facts. You have CHOSEN not to believe "my god and my scripture" in order to peacefully indulge yourself. So be it. Takes all types to make up this world! npdw What exactly are the 'facts' you refer to and on what basis have you proven them to be facts? So far you have failed to prove capable of providing any evidence whatsoever to back up any of the claims you have made on this board so why should anyone here believe you have anything to contribute to the pursuit of facts or indeed truth? Any fool can make claims which don't stand up. Why should anyone take heed of you or your peculiar God with your peculiar obsessions with what people get up to in the privacy of their own bedroom? Quite frankly the idea that a supreme being should be concerned about the sexual habits of a human being is truly bizarre ....... it's obvious that you haven't the foggiest notion about what God thinks. Indeed so peculiar is your God that I suspect that, rather than him having created you, you must surely have created him. Matt10
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Post by npdw on Jul 9, 2009 6:22:31 GMT -5
Uh Matt10. I think you're on the wrong forum. Surely there's a website where atheists can post to their hearts content. I don't think it's this one.
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Post by npdw on Jul 9, 2009 6:41:31 GMT -5
Yes yes. LOL. There we go. As expected. The origins. The truth. The research. yadda. yadda. yadda! You poor thing. Yes yes. LOL. There we go. As expected. Insult exes. yadda. yadda. yadda! You poor thing. So, how's your research coming along? Here's how it's coming along. I have discovered that were I to dedicate my life to a cause, I'd choose a worthy, sensible one where some semblance of a success rate is likely. Let me put it so you'd understand. Meetings will continue. Gospel mtgs will continue. Conventions will continue. Folks will continue to profess. And become workers. And love this fellowship. WORLDWIDE. And there's not a thing you can do to stop it!!! With your little rantings and your little website. You're fighting something larger and more powerful than your little mind can begin to comprehend. So you'll continue with your little cause, beating the drum of the "origins and the truth and the research" and people will continue to look at you and your ilk with pity. Because no one joins this church because of it's claims of it's origins. (Or at least no one with sense) Their reasons are much deeper. Who cares what happened a century ago? I would suggest you explore saving the rainforests or the penguins or the environment or something . You're fighting a losing battle. Can't fight God or his people and win. That, my dear, is what my research has uncovered.
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Post by Rob O on Jul 9, 2009 6:54:27 GMT -5
Uh Matt10. I think you're on the wrong forum. Surely there's a website where atheists can post to their hearts content. I don't think it's this one. This forum does not discriminate against anyone based on their (ir)religious preference. The forum is for discussion of experiences with the F&W group. Matt10 has as much right as anyone else here to participate on this forum. There are Christians, atheists, new agers, pagans and others. Christians, being in the majority, should be sensitive to this fact and not try to shout down alternative voices. If you make a claim - don't be surprised if it's challenged.
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Post by ilylo on Jul 9, 2009 8:08:37 GMT -5
Yes yes. LOL. There we go. As expected. Insult exes. yadda. yadda. yadda! You poor thing. So, how's your research coming along? Here's how it's coming along. I have discovered that were I to dedicate my life to a cause, I'd choose a worthy, sensible one where some semblance of a success rate is likely. Let me put it so you'd understand. Meetings will continue. Gospel mtgs will continue. Conventions will continue. Folks will continue to profess. And become workers. And love this fellowship. WORLDWIDE. And there's not a thing you can do to stop it!!! With your little rantings and your little website. You're fighting something larger and more powerful than your little mind can begin to comprehend. So you'll continue with your little cause, beating the drum of the "origins and the truth and the research" and people will continue to look at you and your ilk with pity. Because no one joins this church because of it's claims of it's origins. (Or at least no one with sense) Their reasons are much deeper. Who cares what happened a century ago? I would suggest you explore saving the rainforests or the penguins or the environment or something . You're fighting a losing battle. Can't fight God or his people and win. That, my dear, is what my research has uncovered. So here we go again with your insults. This is so typical of some 2x2s who come here slinging mud and think they're so "original" in their actions. I guess that's part of your brainwashing... to hate anyone not in your church, and to hate even more anyone who left it. Obviously your research is full of holes (not to mention something else, but I digress). Your points are not against me or anyone I know. I have to ask... who exactly are you arguing with? And why are you so pissed off?
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Post by Scott Ross on Jul 9, 2009 8:43:25 GMT -5
Because no one joins this church because of it's claims of it's origins. (Or at least no one with sense) Their reasons are much deeper. Who cares what happened a century ago? HUH??? Most people join a church because of it's origins one way or another. When they join they feel they can believe what is said about the origins. To claim an origin that is 'unbroken' back to the time of Christ is joining because of a belief in that statement. For others, joining a church who claims it's origins are 'based on' the life of Christ is a whole different scenario. That is what I grew up believing.... an unbroken line.... It was and is a lie and I am glad to hear that it is (for the most part) no longer being preached from the platform. Scott
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 9, 2009 10:36:01 GMT -5
npdw wrote:
What you stated doest qualify as "research" - it's your opinion, feelings and forecast-- which you are entitled to.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 9, 2009 10:57:46 GMT -5
Because no one joins this church because of it's claims of it's origins. (Or at least no one with sense) Their reasons are much deeper. Who cares what happened a century ago? HUH??? Most people join a church because of it's origins one way or another. When they join they feel they can believe what is said about the origins. To claim an origin that is 'unbroken' back to the time of Christ is joining because of a belief in that statement. For others, joining a church who claims it's origins are 'based on' the life of Christ is a whole different scenario. That is what I grew up believing.... an unbroken line.... It was and is a lie and I am glad to hear that it is (for the most part) no longer being preached from the platform. Scott Scott, Scott, Scott, I can believe you grew up believing "an unbroken line", I and many others didn't, can *you* believe *that*?? Don't attribute a universal claim to the friends and workers that many did not make or believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 11:36:13 GMT -5
Uh Matt10. I think you're on the wrong forum. Surely there's a website where atheists can post to their hearts content. I don't think it's this one. 1. I am not on the wrong forum. As Rob correctly points out this forum is for discussion of experiences with the F&W group. I have thirty years' experience of the f&w group which I regularly discuss. You however seem reluctant to discuss your experiences. 2. I am not an atheist. Neither can I follow the thought process that would lead you to such a conclusion. Perhaps there is no thought process. 3. There is a website where atheists can post to their hearts content and, contrary to what you believe, it is this one. There are a number of atheists who post here regularly and are welcome to. 4.Once again you have failed to provide any evidence to support claims which you have made. Your remarkable inability to provide any evidence whatsoever to back up your claims leads me to conclude that your claims are completely without foundation and therefore likely to be flawed. 5. Indeed you appear to me to have such a capacity for flawed thinking that I'm starting to question the laws of averages. Matt10
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Post by ScholarGal on Jul 9, 2009 11:46:04 GMT -5
Scott, Scott, Scott, I can believe you grew up believing "an unbroken line", I and many others didn't, can *you* believe *that*?? Don't attribute a universal claim to the friends and workers that many did not make or believe. Here's what puzzles me... Like Jesse, I didn't grow up believing in an "unbroken" line. But, my sibling (very close in age) did believe in an "unbroken" line. We lived in the same house, attended the same meetings, had the same parents and workers teaching us in the home, and left our parents' home the same year. We had a conversation about church history a while ago, and both of us were surprised at the differences in beliefs about the "unbroken" line.
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Post by GoBlue on Jul 9, 2009 11:54:40 GMT -5
Scott, Scott, Scott, I can believe you grew up believing "an unbroken line", I and many others didn't, can *you* believe *that*?? Don't attribute a universal claim to the friends and workers that many did not make or believe. Here's what puzzles me... Like Jesse, I didn't grow up believing in an "unbroken" line. But, my sibling (very close in age) did believe in an "unbroken" line. We lived in the same house, attended the same meetings, had the same parents and workers teaching us in the home, and left our parents' home the same year. We had a conversation about church history a while ago, and both of us were surprised at the differences in beliefs about the "unbroken" line. How fascinating! Did your sibling change their beliefs about the history as a result of your discussion? or cause them to do more research into the topic?
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Post by someguy on Jul 9, 2009 11:55:49 GMT -5
Scott, Scott, Scott, I can believe you grew up believing "an unbroken line", I and many others didn't, can *you* believe *that*?? Don't attribute a universal claim to the friends and workers that many did not make or believe. Here's what puzzles me... Like Jesse, I didn't grow up believing in an "unbroken" line. But, my sibling (very close in age) did believe in an "unbroken" line. We lived in the same house, attended the same meetings, had the same parents and workers teaching us in the home, and left our parents' home the same year. We had a conversation about church history a while ago, and both of us were surprised at the differences in beliefs about the "unbroken" line. Interesting scholargal. I have had the same experiences as you had. I have a brother and a sister but neither of them were aware of our history and had an idea of an unbroken line. I on the other hand had done some research, and had different ideas. Same house, different beliefs, same parents, same workers...until we left home. If I hadn't sat and pondered these things and just listened to what the workers said from the platform I have no doubt I would believe just like they had.
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Post by ScholarGal on Jul 9, 2009 12:05:59 GMT -5
Here's what puzzles me... Like Jesse, I didn't grow up believing in an "unbroken" line. But, my sibling (very close in age) did believe in an "unbroken" line. We lived in the same house, attended the same meetings, had the same parents and workers teaching us in the home, and left our parents' home the same year. We had a conversation about church history a while ago, and both of us were surprised at the differences in beliefs about the "unbroken" line. How fascinating! Did your sibling change their beliefs about the history as a result of your discussion? or cause them to do more research into the topic? By the time the history discussion occurred between us, my sibling had already discovered the 100-yr history and left meetings.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 9, 2009 12:48:48 GMT -5
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