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Post by _ on Oct 18, 2007 21:52:56 GMT -5
NOR DID THE APOSTLES EAT ICE CREAM.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2007 22:02:12 GMT -5
What does my church do for the homeless? Nothing, to be precise, at least on a formal level. We are not a homeless organisation.
Mentioned it here. When I was a boy my professing mother brought home an old man who camped on our farm. She fed and clothed him, and found accommodation for him in a nearby town. Only my family knew what she did for that man. Incidentally he found his way back to our farm, having sold (for drink) all the things my mother purchased for him. And there lies the problem - some churches can do these temporal social activities, but it is obvious to me those poor people are neither interested in, nor getting, the Gospel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2007 22:03:38 GMT -5
If youth groups were what Jesus had in time then we would have instituted such (but the Gospel is not meant to segregate people, and it erases generational differences.) But ice cream has no moral or spiritual function.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 3:51:36 GMT -5
James separated widows and orphans for the sake of defining "pure religion " and what should be done for this class of people,
"Pure religion is this, to visit the widows and fatherless, and to keep yourself unspotted from the world."
There was obviously a particular need for the widows and orphans at that time, a particular group that needed "love thy neighbour" more than others.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 6:24:50 GMT -5
Absolutely correct ram. Jesus segmented groups on various occasions, from speaking to his adult male-only disciples, to larger groups of disciples with females, to open crowds, to religious leaders, to children only. When a church does nothing for specific needs amongst its own group, its needy members go elsewhere, or simply lose their spiritual life right where they are. James separated widows and orphans for the sake of defining "pure religion " and what should be done for this class of people, "Pure religion is this, to visit the widows and fatherless, and to keep yourself unspotted from the world." There was obviously a particular need for the widows and orphans at that time, a particular group that needed "love thy neighbour" more than others.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 19, 2007 13:19:19 GMT -5
Quite valid points. What would you have said to those first Christians who had Paul (for instance) caring for them, preaching to them, laying down moral expectations, writing all those letters of exhortation etc? And do you personally believe a child is saved by being tempted into a church? There seems to be an age of apostasy upon us now. Jesus and Paul mentioned that. Jesus said the time of the Gentiles would be "finished" when the Jews had Jerusalem again - that occurred in the mid 1960's. When I was a boy people would wonder about the preachers who would travel to districts in NSW - and we had lots of interest. The lack of interest today concerns all churches, not just our own. I dont understand what you mean by "What would you have said to those first Christians who had Paul (for instance) caring for them, preaching to them, laying down moral expectations, writing all those letters of exhortation etc?" There was nothing wrong with how Paul was ministering to them. There is nothing wrong with admonishment or exhortation if it's scriptural and/or teaching moral expectations. Our pastors admonish us and we are urged to admonish each other in the same spirit of love. Im not sure what your point was?"And do you personally believe a child is saved by being tempted into a church?" Tempted into a CHURCH? That is not what salvation is about Bert. it doesnt matter where you go to worship, nor is it about being a member of a specific denomination. Its about coming before Him as an individual, acknowledging your sin, and submitting yourself to Him and accepting JESUS as your savior!
My pastors don't care if you come to their place of worship or not....they are just happy you have submitted your life to Jesus! The only "church" they believe in is the church of the believers. So its not about getting the "church" membership to grow, but it IS about growing the entire Body of Christ!
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 19, 2007 13:23:20 GMT -5
I did hear last year that out in the Modesto area some of the workers there had regular "youth" meetings where they addressed issues of fornication, drugs etc. It also opened the door for the kids to ask questions of such a nature to the workers and there was open discussion. That is great!!!!!
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 19, 2007 21:03:32 GMT -5
Absolutely correct ram. Jesus segmented groups on various occasions, from speaking to his adult male-only disciples, to larger groups of disciples with females, to open crowds, to religious leaders, to children only.
I don't see what this proves. That Jesus spoke to various people, and preached to diverse groups is a given. The scripture does not show, however, that Jesus instructed all women to gather in Y location for a special women's meeting, and all men to gather in X location for a special men's meeting.
Moreover, in the Old Testament we see no such provision either. All the people went up to the temple - men, women and children - and they all sung the same psalms, heard the same scripture, and worshipped in the same manner.
I take grave exception to the premise that the basic needs of women, men and children are different. All are sinners. All are tempted in the same ways. And the solution that leads to life is the same. I believe that God is able to satisfy all, and that his word is sufficient for everyone.
Not that I am opposed to a more thorough catechising of our young professing kids.
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 19, 2007 21:05:59 GMT -5
NOR DID THE APOSTLES EAT ICE CREAM.
Bryan,
I think even you should be able to acknowledge that this statement is simply silly.
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Post by _ on Oct 19, 2007 21:12:54 GMT -5
NOR DID THE APOSTLES EAT ICE CREAM.Bryan, I think even you should be able to acknowledge that this statement is simply silly. are you unable to grasp the reason I posted it in the context of the quote I was replying to?
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Post by _ on Oct 19, 2007 23:15:40 GMT -5
NOR DID THE APOSTLES EAT ICE CREAM.Bryan, I think even you should be able to acknowledge that this statement is simply silly. Bryan, your ice Cream thing is a dead give away. ;Ddead give away for what? what are you talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 0:03:20 GMT -5
GloryInTruth, what's it going to be, against helping children or for helping children? Your post contradicts itself. Absolutely correct ram. Jesus segmented groups on various occasions, from speaking to his adult male-only disciples, to larger groups of disciples with females, to open crowds, to religious leaders, to children only.I don't see what this proves. That Jesus spoke to various people, and preached to diverse groups is a given. The scripture does not show, however, that Jesus instructed all women to gather in Y location for a special women's meeting, and all men to gather in X location for a special men's meeting. Moreover, in the Old Testament we see no such provision either. All the people went up to the temple - men, women and children - and they all sung the same psalms, heard the same scripture, and worshipped in the same manner. I take grave exception to the premise that the basic needs of women, men and children are different. All are sinners. All are tempted in the same ways. And the solution that leads to life is the same. I believe that God is able to satisfy all, and that his word is sufficient for everyone. Not that I am opposed to a more thorough catechising of our young professing kids.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2007 4:22:30 GMT -5
Just because Jesus did not "specifically" do something in a certain way does not mean that we should not.
Fir instance, Jesus DID NOT as far as I am aware set up any church committees to oversee the needs of the church or any other body of people. Of course the foundation of the church had hardly been laid before he was taken from us.
When the plight of the widows (neglect) was brought before the Apostles, THEY asked that seven men full of the Holy Spirit be appointed to look into this very important issue. There is certainly a precedent here ! The first church committee ? A fine example to follow in other such matters ? Of course
Jesus sanctioned this type of common sense approach with the authorisation "Love Thy Neighbour !" He expects us to use our initiative in applying this, not sit back and just leave things to God.
The youth of today need coralled in Christian past-times. If this can't be reasoned out, what can ?
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