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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 6, 2007 18:47:47 GMT -5
ooops sorry! Im dying with a head cold so I have an excuse for my "fuzziness"!!!! For today anyway!
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Post by upset and hurt on Sept 6, 2007 21:26:04 GMT -5
Well, the cr@p really hit the fan today. Everything started off so well, too. I thought I had this whole thing settled this morning and there was finally peace.
Well anyway I got fired from my manager position at the Christian bookstore this afternoon. They said it was because our sales volume has gone down 23% since I took over but I really think it's because they've been watching me typing away on the computer the last few days. They probably did some kind of history search or something and found out I've been hanging out here on this website when I was supposed to be ordering books from Bibles 'R Us.
So I was super bummed, as you can imagine. I'm starting to believe my wife when she says I'm really becoming a loser. Anyway, I couldn't bear to tell her what happened right away so I went over to Louie's for a couple of beers. You've got to believe me when I say this, I haven't touched alcohol since I was in high school! My relatives hit the bottle quite a bit but I've been living the straight and narrow for decades. Anyway, I got a little tipsy and called my wife from the bar and told about the job situation. Whoa, she went ballistic! She told me if I didn't call the workers and get the cars back by this weekend she would do it herself. And if they don't show up by Sunday night, she says she'll be reporting them as stolen. She said she couldn't care less if they have to ride bicycles to meeting, that's their problem. She says we'll need the proceeds from selling the cars to pay our bills for the next while. I guess she's probably right.
My son is so cool about everything. When I got home this evening he met me in the driveway and gave me a hug. He said this whole thing with the workers and friends abandoning us has really made him stop and think about his future. Now he's reconsidering going into the work and thinks he may join the Marines instead. He put it like this. He said, "Dad, if I went into the work I might be able to get 50 people to profess in my lifetime if I was lucky. But if I join the Marines and do a couple tours in Iraq I could realistically wipe out 100 terrorists in just a few years. That takes them out of the gene pool, they can't have any (more) kids, and in a couple generations I've eliminated probably thousands of potential Muslims! So, in a sense I've saved thousands from hell, instead of just a few dozen!"
I don't really like violence but I have to agree that his rationale makes quite a bit of sense. But then, I don't know what to think right now. Everything seems so upside down and backwards. I'm going to keep praying that God will show me the way. When your friends have abandoned you, your wife is a b1tch, and your son is turning into Rambo, what can you do? It's time to get down on my knees and thank the lord that I still have my health! I need to go get some sleep...
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 6, 2007 21:36:02 GMT -5
Cute--but no cigar!
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Post by my two cents on Sept 6, 2007 22:01:39 GMT -5
Cherie, seconding the emotion. No cigar but maybe a doughnut--worthy of all the great big holes that getting more apparent with every posting.
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Post by to Upset and Hurt on Sept 6, 2007 22:16:32 GMT -5
Upset and Hurt:
Just in case you haven't got it figured out yet, let me state it plainly:
The plan to push you out has been set in motion and will not stop.
We went through the same thing about 2 years ago. It was a long agonizing process (only because we resisted) that took 18 months to complete. If we had it to do over again, we would have just left on our own terms. Oh well, 20-20 hind-sight.
As for your wife's "reporting the cars stolen" comment... I love it. That you can find things in the situation to joke about at an awful time like this tells me that the two of you will be just fine... in time. Nevermind the folks here that didn't get it. Some folks here wouldn't know a sense of humor if it kicked their ass.
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Post by my 10 cents on Sept 6, 2007 22:19:18 GMT -5
I think that those of us that are paying attention here to this story as it unfolds can detect the "imposters" signing in to pose as the original poster called Hurt and Upset. The 9:26pm posting is clearly NOT authentic to the original writer.
The only holes here are the ones that the posers are trying to poke into the story. Whatever the poser(s) motivation, it surely is not Christ-like.
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Post by sharonhargreaves on Sept 6, 2007 22:24:25 GMT -5
Well upset and hurt - you "had" me for awhile but I am not particularly amused even though I do have sense of humour - having some English 'blood' I can laugh tomorrow at todays jokes. will you trade the cars in on rolls royce or VW's sharon hargreaves
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 6, 2007 22:24:46 GMT -5
Mary Todd..what's the deal with you and affairs lately? Sheesh! M.
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Post by my two cents on Sept 6, 2007 22:24:54 GMT -5
my 10 cents,
You say an imposter posted the 9:26 posting. Okay, I'll give it 8 more cents of my time...
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Post by amen on Sept 6, 2007 22:27:05 GMT -5
I think that those of us that are paying attention here to this story as it unfolds can detect the "imposters" signing in to pose as the original poster called Hurt and Upset. The 9:26pm posting is clearly NOT authentic to the original writer. The only holes here are the ones that the posers are trying to poke into the story. Whatever the poser(s) motivation, it surely is not Christ-like. I was just thinking the same thing. I first started reading this thread on pg 3 but got confused - went back and read the whole thing and it all made sense. I find it believable to as it reflects my own situation.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 6, 2007 22:28:36 GMT -5
The original "upset and hurt" needs to register so we can keep this story straight!!
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Post by to upset and hurt on Sept 6, 2007 22:34:45 GMT -5
upset and hurt, you might want to consider registering:
Getting your own account on the TMB has it's advantages:
1 - When you post, people will know that it's really you. 2 - Other people can't pretend to be you and post as you. (They can try, but their user name will never match yours.) 3 - You don't have to type in the "Security Check" code every time you post. 4 - You can send and receive private messages to/from other registered users. 5 - When you make a typo in a post, you can go back and edit your post. 6 - When you say something stupid and someone calls you on it, you can go back and change your post so it doesn't look like you said anything stupid. 7 - When you take a position in several posts then later change your mind, you can go back and delete those posts so it doesn't look like you've ever held the position that you now disagree with. 8- You can register several times and pretend to be several people at once, all who "just so happen" to agree with you in arguments. 9- You can pretend to be better and more authentic than anonymous guest posters even though you post as guest and using multiple registered accounts yourself.
You might want to give it some thought. It's easy, it's free, and it's a great way to fuuck with people in an argument.
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Post by hurt and upset on Sept 7, 2007 4:22:23 GMT -5
I don't know who this is, but it is not me. It is sad that a person would do this to another. sad, sad day! It is so easy to see that God is not a priority in your life. I will not post here again unless I do register. Thanks to all those who have listened and for the support. Will let the Lord guide our family now, and hope that all of you are doing the same.
[glow=red,2,300]Well, the cr@p really hit the fan today. Everything started off so well, too. I thought I had this whole thing settled this morning and there was finally peace.
Well anyway I got fired from my manager position at the Christian bookstore this afternoon. They said it was because our sales volume has gone down 23% since I took over but I really think it's because they've been watching me typing away on the computer the last few days. They probably did some kind of history search or something and found out I've been hanging out here on this website when I was supposed to be ordering books from Bibles 'R Us.
So I was super bummed, as you can imagine. I'm starting to believe my wife when she says I'm really becoming a loser. Anyway, I couldn't bear to tell her what happened right away so I went over to Louie's for a couple of beers. You've got to believe me when I say this, I haven't touched alcohol since I was in high school! My relatives hit the bottle quite a bit but I've been living the straight and narrow for decades. Anyway, I got a little tipsy and called my wife from the bar and told about the job situation. Whoa, she went ballistic! She told me if I didn't call the workers and get the cars back by this weekend she would do it herself. And if they don't show up by Sunday night, she says she'll be reporting them as stolen. She said she couldn't care less if they have to ride bicycles to meeting, that's their problem. She says we'll need the proceeds from selling the cars to pay our bills for the next while. I guess she's probably right.
My son is so cool about everything. When I got home this evening he met me in the driveway and gave me a hug. He said this whole thing with the workers and friends abandoning us has really made him stop and think about his future. Now he's reconsidering going into the work and thinks he may join the Marines instead. He put it like this. He said, "Dad, if I went into the work I might be able to get 50 people to profess in my lifetime if I was lucky. But if I join the Marines and do a couple tours in Iraq I could realistically wipe out 100 terrorists in just a few years. That takes them out of the gene pool, they can't have any (more) kids, and in a couple generations I've eliminated probably thousands of potential Muslims! So, in a sense I've saved thousands from hell, instead of just a few dozen!"
I don't really like violence but I have to agree that his rationale makes quite a bit of sense. But then, I don't know what to think right now. Everything seems so upside down and backwards. I'm going to keep praying that God will show me the way. When your friends have abandoned you, your wife is a b1tch, and your son is turning into Rambo, what can you do? It's time to get down on my knees and thank the lord that I still have my health! I need to go get some sleep...[/glow]
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Post by ithascome on Sept 7, 2007 5:49:10 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D
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Post by Mary Todd Lincoln on Sept 7, 2007 10:11:58 GMT -5
Mary Todd..what's the deal with you and affairs lately? Sheesh! M. I fear I am not at much LIBERTY to discuss details & I wish to avoid gossip, so let me be as plain as possible: Immoral behaviour abounds.
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Post by concerned on Sept 8, 2007 2:15:27 GMT -5
Would the REAL original poster of this thread please stand up? ;D
I really would like to hear more about the REAL story.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 8:31:02 GMT -5
While it is possible this story is not true, I have seen these patterns of church behaviour occur almost identically on several occasions.
One interesting thing about these things occurring is that the real issue driving the whole shunning and judgment often does not get stated. For instance, Upset and Hurt may have offended someone 10 years ago and the offended party(ies) have waited patiently in the background until there were sufficient minor issues to magnify and accuse him with. Like predatory animals, they wait until the target victim is in a weakened and burdened state and then they go to work.
It is extremely difficult, if not impossible to deal with these situations. The issues of TV, shorts, hair, place of employment are all peripheral issues and dealing with them will get you nowhere because those aren't the real issues, only the stated ones that the larger group will swallow and go along with, hiding the predatory nature of it all. If this is the case and Upset and Hurt agreed to "fix" all those stated issues, he would still not regain favour in the group imo. Just my opinon based on witnessing several similar situations.
Upset and Hurt, the way I see it is that you have several options.
One is to continue to attempt to discover the real issues and go to work on those. This is extremely difficult as it is not likely that the real issues will be identified, or even who the real complainants are, even the workers may not be aware of them or are protecting them. Some in the church have decided you are superfluous and the workers are either oblivious to it and/or powerless about it. It would take a great deal of skill and patience to get to the bottom of it and your chance of success is quite small.
Another option is to stop paying attention to it all, continue to go to meeting as an innocent person, perhaps shaming the accusers by your godly spirit. You will need a good and godly reason to stay attending meetings otherwise you will face days of difficulty and despair wondering why you stay in the face of such coldness and judgment. If God moves you to stay and be a light in the darkness there, you will be sufficiently inspired to do just that and some interesting doors will open up for you.
A third option is to pack up and go. From what you have said, it appears to me that at least some key people in the local church are done with you. If you decide to stay to get back into their good graces, you will be miserable for the rest of your life and would be better served to move on, find a more loving group to share your faith with, and live a more godly productive life.
You are on an interesting journey, godspeed!
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Post by to nathan on Sept 8, 2007 9:20:04 GMT -5
Upset and hurt, You are either a master storyteller or you have some really messed up workers over there in the NE. My gut instinct is shouting "TROLL!" but I gotta admit, I'm wondering, "Is this guy for real??" I hate to say this, but your posts make me laugh like no other posts I've read on here in months! I'm getting some kind of twisted kick out of this whole drama, like it's some surreal TV sitcom. Like the teenage son who has his TV and computer stuff and sort of his own pad, but would "love to go into the work." Yeah, now there's a common teenage career goal! And the wife says "report the cars stolen." You're right, that would definitely "put the icing on the cake." Dude, you are seriously cracking me up!! If your story is true, use your corporate/MBA intelligence and get the heck out of Dodge while you can. These workers are using you, man! You don't need the TMB board to tell you that. On the other hand, if this is fiction, you rock! Keep the posts coming! I can hardly wait for the next installment! I have been posting different message boards for 10 yrs so I've read many outrages made up stories, half-truth, inuendos, untrue, false accusations, slanders charges on different workers written by anonymous.
A few of these accusations are TRUE and believable when they can back it up with evidences like on Timothy's and Reuben Mata's molestation cases
Anonymous posters... play head games, get knees jerk reaction by made up stories so people get all rile up, take sides it doesn't matter to some whether the stories are TRUE or NOT because it gives them a vehicle to VENT their anger, bitterness out in the open.
So I don' BELIEVE everything I read on here unless I know the posters.I agree with you nathan. I am one of the friends and find this board and it's posters frustrating as well. Now I'm to the point that I only believe what makes the Truth look good, and anything that serves as criticism of Truth, the friends, or workers, I automatically dismiss as hateful manipulative trolling lies. I sleep much better at night now.
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Post by freedom on Sept 9, 2007 8:49:26 GMT -5
I have been posting different message boards for 10 yrs so I've read many outrages made up stories, half-truth, inuendos, untrue, false accusations, slanders charges on different workers written by anonymous.
A few of these accusations are TRUE and believable when they can back it up with evidences like on Timothy's and Reuben Mata's molestation cases
Anonymous posters... play head games, get knees jerk reaction by made up stories so people get all rile up, take sides it doesn't matter to some whether the stories are TRUE or NOT because it gives them a vehicle to VENT their anger, bitterness out in the open.
So I don' BELIEVE everything I read on here unless I know the posters. I agree with you nathan. I am one of the friends and find this board and it's posters frustrating as well. Now I'm to the point that I only believe what makes the Truth look good, and anything that serves as criticism of Truth, the friends, or workers, I automatically dismiss as hateful manipulative trolling lies. I sleep much better at night now. Wow! You have the art of self-deception down to a T. Well, enjoy your rose colored glasses!
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Post by ScholarGal on Sept 9, 2007 17:36:13 GMT -5
to upset and hurt: For the record, I believe your story. It's pretty easy to tell who is "faking" posts in your name... they just don't show the level of pain that is obvious in your real posts. It sounds like you had a role of tremendous responsibility in your local church. Have you ever declined a career opportunity or an opportunity to enrich your family because of your financial and time commitments to the church? Have you considered using your skills to find a new job similar to your previous job? Consider opportunities nationwide and worldwide, if possible. You sound like a level-headed professing family, perhaps there is a great need for people like you in another city, state, or country? Different geographic regions tend to have different customs. Perhaps your family's habits would be normal in another area. If you find an outstanding career opportunity elsewhere, you would have a very legitimate reason to give up your union meeting and the responsibility of receiving the workers' mail. To raise money for moving expenses, you might even need to sell the cars you allow the workers to use. After moving to a new city, it is unlikely that you would be given so much responsibility at first. You would have time to re-evaluate your spiritual needs and the level of commitment you want in the church. Many "lay" appointments in our fellowship are made with the assumption that they will last until the people are no longer able. I've seen some changes recently... more rotating Wednesday night meetings and union Sunday meetings in younger couples' homes. This spreads out the responsibility, giving everyone a chance to understand both the privilege and the sacrifice. Several major Christian denominations have specific terms of service for appointed elders and their board of directors. It allows people to serve without being burned out. Though we are called on to minister to others, remember that service to God does not necessarily equal service to your church. Consider your opportunities now in a new light. No church is perfect... a chuch is a collection of believers... believers are human, thus imperfect. Every church has human foibles, only you can decide when it is time to move to another place or another denomination.
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Post by upset and hurt on Sept 9, 2007 18:35:00 GMT -5
Thank you scholargal for your kind words and encouragement. The other who wonder about my story, well I am for real and know that there are some folk who like to impostor me. God knows my story is true and that is all that matters. I am still wrestling with registering. I know there are many pros to do so. My wife if we decide to officially leave the "truth" than it will be fine with her. She would really love to share her thoughts on this matter, but she will not speak openly at this time.
My son and I were the only ones who went to meeting today. That is the first in many, many years that the entire family did not attend meeting. My son's testimony was about body language. About how Paul used a great word picture to explain how each Christian is important for the well-being of other Christians. In 1 Corinthians 12, he compared the believers in a Church to parts of a human body. Just as the body has many different parts, each with a special function, the Church has many different members, each with his or her own special gift and role. Everyone is important; no one is dispensable. All are necessary to a healthy body. My son, much like Paul used body language to make a point. We are each individually designed and gifted. And we work best as the body of Christ if we know what we're specially able to do. Separate we are weak, together we are strong and able to overcome all obstacles if we just learn to communicate not only through body language but orally, and through the holy spirit.
I on the other hand talked about my heart, and how we use the word heart in a variety of ways, usually having nothing to do with the actual organ that pumps blood through our bodies. I can elaborate more on that later if you like.
I took special notice during the meeting and noticed that many of the friends had tears in their eyes while my son spoke, but had not reaction from my testimony. Likewise, after meeting they all rushed to shake his hand and pat him on the back. I did receive a few handshakes, but mostly was avoided. I think it was Margaret Thatcher that once stated "You may have to fight a battle more than once to win it."
My son asked on the way home why we couldn't just have our own meeting at our house. The only family that showed for union meeting last week suggested the same Friday eve. when they were over for dinner. I think we should give it more time, at least a couple months before we just abandon ship and start having our own meetings. Have you ever heard of anyone doing this before? I will post again Wednesday eve. after meeting and not before so if anyone else post as me you should know it is not I. Have a good beginning of the work week and God Bless.
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 9, 2007 19:46:12 GMT -5
To Upset & Hurt: You ask if this has happened to anyone else--being squeezed out and friends starting their own meeting. It sure has. Apparently you aren't aware of all excommunications that took place in Alberta Canada by Willis Prop, et al? When 21 plus/minus meetings/churches were closed down? Some of the friends started their own "unsanctioned" meetings there. www.thelyingtruth.info/home/index.htmJust select the tab that says "EXCOMS" and read the articles on the sidebar. These aren't the only ones...others find out that many other churches/preachers/Christians aren't at all what the workers cracked them up to be. Most of the things we were told about them were not true, when we investigated for ourselves. Cherie
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Post by to upset hurt on Sept 9, 2007 19:55:19 GMT -5
Glad things went okay for you at meeting today. Could have been better I'm sure but at least it wasn't horrible.
I'm an ex 2X2 and our situation was quite a bit different than yours but we were given the cold shoulder after meeting many times.
Wether or not you stay or if you end up leaving the 2X2's, you have to do it however you feel God is leading you. Even though many of us have similar stories, what worked for one person may not work for another. If God wants your family to leave He will show you!
We do not want any part of the 2X2 religion but we don't usually encourage others to just up and leave!
I will pray for your family that whatever God shows you to do you will have His strength to do it!
The hardest part for me was giving up my friends in the 2X2 way. We loved them very much (and we still do!!) but they didn't want much to do with us! Thankfully God has given us more friends who love us not just because we go to the same church!
Peace to you!
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Post by Robbie on Sept 9, 2007 21:02:14 GMT -5
To Hurt and upset....
Sorry that your having such difficult times in your life right now. Will be praying for you and your family. We are in another state and would welcome you to move here and to be with us in our meeting. Hopefully, you will find love and compassion here with us as we have a wonderful meeting and friends and fellowship here. Please remember God is to be your God, none other. Christ to be your Master, King, and Saviour, none other. We would be happy to help you find work and a place to live.
In the Love of Christ, Robbie
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Post by ithascome on Sept 9, 2007 22:20:08 GMT -5
Robbie Wouldn't the shunning continue... once the previous workers passed the word to the workers in the new location? Does moving to a new location stop shunning?
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Post by bridgeburner on Sept 9, 2007 22:51:13 GMT -5
I think we should give it more time, at least a couple months before we just abandon ship and start having our own meetings. Have you ever heard of anyone doing this before? Yes, and before you do this, make sure you, any of the friends you meet with (in your new meeting), and any of the friends you associate with more than accidentally (especially close family) who won't shun you, are ready to permanently turn lose of the option of going back. This is one of the most thorough ways of burning the 2x2 bridge there is. You don't just turn the bridge to ash, you obliterate the shore line and turn the riverbed to quicksand.
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Post by ScholarGal on Sept 10, 2007 10:21:10 GMT -5
Robbie Wouldn't the shunning continue... once the previous workers passed the word to the workers in the new location? Does moving to a new location stop shunning? There is no guarantee that the shunning would stop in a new location. I would hope that the workers and friends in the new location would make an effort to get to know people before making snap judgments based on hearsay from another state. The supposed "sins" that the original poster describes are perfectly acceptable behavior for regular members in some parts of the USA. (Conservative supersaints probably wouldn't exhibit questionable behaviors anywhere, but regular members often do.) The shunned family might find powerful allies in another place.
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Post by bob 124 on Sept 24, 2007 4:26:06 GMT -5
Hey Hurt, Tried to call several times yesterday to see how having your own meeting went yesterday, but your wife said you were to busy to talk. She also said you met Sat. with some of the old friends to help cut firewood. How did that go? I don't know, but I have to agree with her on one point, if your going to break away, you must break away totally. I'm not sure about keeping one foot in the fire buddy, you are more of a man than I. You have never been to busy to spend a few minutes with me on the phone, so what is going on? Hope I have not done or said anything to offend you. We have been to good of friends for so many years and I just wanted to let you know that I am still here for you if you want to talk. Call me.
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