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Post by _ on Sept 4, 2007 18:53:41 GMT -5
but if I register, I wouldn't be able to post anonymously... that means I couldn't make things up and sound credible. You can register under a fake handle... and use a different email address... Go to yahoo, sign up for an email address, use that address to register here... and you're done....
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Post by arlis on Sept 4, 2007 19:01:45 GMT -5
but if I register, I wouldn't be able to post anonymously... that means I couldn't make things up and sound credible. Here is your case in point. Someone just posted pretending to be you. Yes, there are some scoundrels on this board. Just ignore them. I just had a thought about this. The person who you work with, that told you about this board, could s/he be a former 2x2 who has a "bad reputation" and they perceive you as maybe being influenced by this person? I know this is very painful for you. I hope you have some to support you through this difficult time. I am so sorry to hear of this. Arlis
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 4, 2007 19:02:26 GMT -5
Howdy, Some only register in order to send Personal Messages (PM"S) to other registered posters. You can still post anonymously if you prefer that. You can also take advantage of those who have provided their email addresses to you for further private correspondence. If you are registered then you can also see other registered users email addresses in their profile (if they are not 'hidden'} My email bescottross@aol.com Feel free.... anyone that wishes to email you are welcome to. The others who gave their email addresses in this thread are good ones to contact. Scott
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Post by arlis on Sept 4, 2007 19:03:02 GMT -5
but if I register, I wouldn't be able to post anonymously... that means I couldn't make things up and sound credible. Here is your case in point. Someone just posted pretending to be you. Yes, there are some scoundrels on this board. Just ignore them. I just had a thought about this. The person who you work with, that told you about this board, could s/he be a former 2x2 who has a "bad reputation" and they perceive you as maybe being influenced by this person? I know this is very painful for you. I hope you have some to support you through this difficult time. I am so sorry to hear of this. Arlis
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Post by Zorro on Sept 4, 2007 19:06:44 GMT -5
upset and hurt,
I was also shunned by my meeting. I was reported to my overseer for speaking about salvation by grace. This was about 2 years ago. At least the overseer came to talk to me and I knew where I stood. It was a low point in my life, that's for sure.
You should note that some of the comments questioning your story are coming from folks in the fellowship. Actually, this is understandable because this type of behavior just isn't supposed to happen and it's very difficult to accept that it does.
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Post by toupsetandhurt on Sept 4, 2007 19:12:19 GMT -5
upset and hurt - I had some problems similar to yours when I had a hard time finding a job and finally, after almost a year of looking, I found one at a TV station. The workers told me as soon as I stop working at the TV station, I can continue to take part in meeting. As long as I work there, I cannot take part. I could not believe it. I was shunned by all the friends. One time I was speaking at a convention and the worker got up and said we will continue the meeting with Hymn No......... So, I have been out since.
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Post by _ on Sept 4, 2007 19:13:05 GMT -5
upset and hurt - I had some problems similar to yours when I had a hard time finding a job and finally, after almost a year of looking, I found one at a TV station. The workers told me as soon as I stop working at the TV station, I can continue to take part in meeting. As long as I work there, I cannot take part. I could not believe it. I was shunned by all the friends. One time I was speaking at a convention and the worker got up and said we will continue the meeting with Hymn No......... So, I have been out since. Good thing I never told the workers I worked at a video store when I was professing...
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Post by hurt and upset on Sept 4, 2007 19:24:17 GMT -5
whomever posted #27 is full of crap. my wife told me this would probably happen. God definitly does not dwell in your heart, to pretending to be the one with the problem. I think we are just better off to sign off and deal with this on our own. to all the others. thanks for the sound advice and God Bless you. To the poster # 27 I will pray for you!
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Post by think2much on Sept 4, 2007 19:29:08 GMT -5
Good thing I never told the workers I worked at a video store when I was professing... That's probably why you "fell away." Too much worldly influence.
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Post by _ on Sept 4, 2007 19:33:27 GMT -5
Good thing I never told the workers I worked at a video store when I was professing... That's probably why you "fell away." Too much worldly influence. and I married an outsider... cannot forget that...
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 4, 2007 19:33:47 GMT -5
One of the elders wives worked at a Christian book store in Oklahoma City for awhile.
Also, 3-4 professing men worked for Anheusuer Busch corp.--for their plant in OKC that manufacturers beverage can lids. All kinds of beverages--not just beer. Pepsi is a big customer. The owner is A-B (a beer mfr & conglomerate). My first husband worked there. The workers never said a word to any of these men about their employer.
In fact, Lloyd Wilson (bro worker) made a surprise visit there and saw each man on duty (MUCH to their surprise.) While in my exes office, he noticed Lloyd staring at something on the wall behind his desk. After Lloyd left, he checked out his wall. (He had inherited his office, and left the wall decor as it was.) There, big as you please, on the wall in his office was a clock that read: "Budweiser, KING of beers."
Oh well------. And no, my ex doesn't profess anymore. He wasn't put out. He was more like squeezed out by meeting people after I left.
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 4, 2007 19:48:13 GMT -5
To hurt. I feel your pain. My family wasn't accepted when we moved to another state. Please don't leave us just bcs of the way one poster posted. We're not all like that. Let us know how Wed Night goes. It sounds like you've may have been reading the Telling the Truth (TTT) website? I am the owner/Admin of that site. If you have any questions or comments about anything on there, I'm very open to receiving them. I will not try to persuade you of anything. I hear from all kinds of people who have read TTT. I mainly present information and allow people to decide for themselves what they want to do with it. Been there--I care, Cherie Kropp My edress is truth@earthlink.net home.earthlink.net/~truthMy story (including my shunning) is at: home.earthlink.net/%7Etruth444/BRG11-4Cherie.html
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Post by mortified on Sept 4, 2007 19:49:03 GMT -5
Hurt and upset
There are many people here that care about you. There are also many here that do not believe this can happen.
Please let me call your attention to the parents that posted a week or so ago about the worker that was arrested for molesting children. They didn't have to post that here either. It would have been easier perhaps for them not to have posted it. However, when we know something then we become responsible. No longer can we sit with our heads in the sand and ignore the problem.
I am sorry you and your family have been hurt. You must understand that Jesus would NEVER approve of you being treated in this way. You serve God not the workers. Do you think God approves of this behavior by the workers as the trusted shepard of the flock? You know that God would never approve. Please trust God to lead you and your family in the right direction. Jesus put the love for the people above EVERYTHING else--
The friends need to know this is happening. I believe their are many friends that would not approve of this behavior from the workers. If they have a problem with something you did or are doing then they should have confronted the issue headon not hid behind your back and spread it to everyone except for you.
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Post by hurt and upset on Sept 4, 2007 20:46:52 GMT -5
whomever posted #27 is full of crap. my wife told me this would probably happen. God definitly does not dwell in your heart, to pretending to be the one with the problem. I think we are just better off to sign off and deal with this on our own. to all the others. thanks for the sound advice and God Bless you. To the poster # 27 I will pray for you! The poster of #36 is also full of it. I AM the wife and my husband told me that people would try to confuse the issue. God does not dwell in the hearts and souls of the people who attempt to post as other people. They should register and post using their registered names so people who choose not to register can post without being copied by others. I was also thinking, like poster #36, that this was not the place to air our dirty laundry and display the stains and blemishes to all but perhaps it is a good thing because the caustic comments of many would blast the stains off the Shroud of Turin. Bring it on. I still want to know why we are being treated as visitors from another planet.
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Post by Same Jesus on Sept 4, 2007 20:50:22 GMT -5
You must understand that Jesus would NEVER approve of you being treated in this way. This is the same Jesus that told his followers to knock the dust of the city from their sandals and walk away? Sounds like shunning on a city wide basis to me.
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Post by Smart Guy on Sept 4, 2007 21:11:17 GMT -5
First of all, I am in the "truth" and please do not condemn me for that fact. Up to this point I have always loved the truth, the fellowship, respected the workers, bought two new cars for the workers, and gave very generously. Over the last few weeks I have noticed a change in behavior toward myself not only from the friends but also from the workers. I have had no idea what was going on however when one of my children was told by another child at convention that they were not allowed to sit together or play together, I realized that something serious was going on. I thought it was something dealing with the other family, but "NO" it is my family that is being shut out. Sunday was Union Meeting, and we meet in our home. Usually around 40 attend, however only had one family came to our home. My family is in total shock and talked to the other family about this feeling. They said they were told by a worker that they shouldn't get to involved with us. Only thing different in our lives is my change of employment. I have went from being an v-president of a large corp. that sold and moved to Mexico to working as assistant manager for a local retail. Big change in income. That is the only change in our lives. Tried to call several of the workers to discuss this with them. Not a one would answer my call. We are in shock!!! My wife said to call and tell them to bring the cars back. What do you all think? Is this shunning? Sounds like it is your turn in the barrel! What goes around comes around! You did not mention God or Jesus or Truth in your circumstances! You need to turn to God for insight into your situation! People are unreliable and full of bias. Maybe its time for you to quit trying to make things the way you think they should be and look with God's help at how things are! Then he can lead you to the path of righteousness for his names sake! They have taught you the answers to the test. You have never taken the test though! Its only a matter of life and death!
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Post by on the fence on Sept 4, 2007 21:13:58 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of the 2x2 religion, but I find this post either hard to believe or missing some critical info.
Could you please post who the workers are in your area so someone could find out if this is really a case of shunning or maybe a troll post (or a post that left out some rather important details)?
Thanks.
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Post by nitro on Sept 4, 2007 21:16:50 GMT -5
Just register it will stop all this Duplicate names. Those who are registered have their own personality. You won't be shunned all are welcome. As for me I was in the shunned club too.And it made me Think outside the Bun. Might be a first step in knowing God for yourself and not a religion. Pleasing people is a set up for failure.Remember "Truth" is like a broken clock it will be right at lest twice a day.
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Post by mortified on Sept 4, 2007 21:49:15 GMT -5
You must understand that Jesus would NEVER approve of you being treated in this way. This is the same Jesus that told his followers to knock the dust of the city from their sandals and walk away? Sounds like shunning on a city wide basis to me. Yes, in Matt. 10 They were to go only to the Jews and leave right away if the household or city did not hear their words. I believe this was because time was so important for the followers. To shun is defined as "to avoid"-- Jesus was not instructing them to avoid the people but to move on if no one there wanted to hear the word. The treatment of this family by the workers and friends is not the same behavior that is found in Matt 10.
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 4, 2007 22:12:39 GMT -5
Some ideas:
How do you handle the workers mail? Forward it to them? If you stopped forwarding it (that's where they get their money from), they would contact you. Just hold it until they call.
Do they come pick it up from your place? Do they have a key to your house? You could change your locks.
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Post by op on Sept 4, 2007 22:39:02 GMT -5
Whats this about
*** You might have actually affirmed a Christian doctrine without realizing it. This is a huge offense and puts you in the Black Book for sure. ***
is that the doctrine of purgatory or papal infallability?
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Post by ithascome on Sept 5, 2007 0:32:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2007 7:50:38 GMT -5
quote - "upset and hurt - I had some problems similar to yours when I had a hard time finding a job and finally, after almost a year of looking, I found one at a TV station. The workers told me as soon as I stop working at the TV station, I can continue to take part in meeting. As long as I work there, I cannot take part. I could not believe it. I was shunned by all the friends. One time I was speaking at a convention and the worker got up and said we will continue the meeting with Hymn No......... So, I have been out since."
Wow. I had to read this five times!
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Post by Mary Lincoln on Sept 5, 2007 12:05:16 GMT -5
First of all, I am in the "truth" and please do not condemn me for that fact. Up to this point I have always loved the truth, the fellowship, respected the workers, bought two new cars for the workers, and gave very generously. Over the last few weeks I have noticed a change in behavior toward myself not only from the friends but also from the workers. I have had no idea what was going on however when one of my children was told by another child at convention that they were not allowed to sit together or play together, I realized that something serious was going on. I thought it was something dealing with the other family, but "NO" it is my family that is being shut out. Sunday was Union Meeting, and we meet in our home. Usually around 40 attend, however only had one family came to our home. My family is in total shock and talked to the other family about this feeling. They said they were told by a worker that they shouldn't get to involved with us. Only thing different in our lives is my change of employment. I have went from being an v-president of a large corp. that sold and moved to Mexico to working as assistant manager for a local retail. Big change in income. That is the only change in our lives. Tried to call several of the workers to discuss this with them. Not a one would answer my call. We are in shock!!! My wife said to call and tell them to bring the cars back. What do you all think? Is this shunning? Oh my ever loving star spangled stars! My dear, I do believe you are experiencing nothing other than a good old fashioned BOYCOTT! Lands alive, this is a founding principle of our great nation and nothing to be ashamed of. The question is: will this boycott be effective? Only time will tell, dear. Some boycotts are powerfull and some don't do much of anything. How much power is at stake here? What is the political climate of your region? Now this can be a rather exciting time in your life as great change can come about , but it can also be very trying. So just keeping the candles burning, dear and try not to worry too much about anything. Your fate is in God's hands.
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Post by Skeptic Al on Sept 5, 2007 14:12:12 GMT -5
So...how did Wednesday night meeting go, Upset and Hurt? (By the way, which of you is Upset and which of you is Hurt? I'm guessing the wife is Hurt and you're Upset, right?)
Anyway, just curious if anyone showed up for meeting last night or has the whole town left you high and dry? Oh, and in your town do the Union meetings always meet in the same home or do they rotate? The answer to that could have a huge bearing on this peculiar situation.
I'm not saying we've got a nasty case of troll-itis here, but until I see more facts you can just sign me --Skeptic Al
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Post by freespirit on Sept 5, 2007 14:57:34 GMT -5
I agree with others that shunning people is not in line with scriptural behavior. However (with that said)... it is my observation that at one point or another in every believer's life (2x2 or other) that this is something they will experience to some degree or another--perhaps it is with the church, perhaps it's with co-workers at a job-site, sometimes it's with a family or someone you thought was a very close friend. It can be caused by gossip, by a promotion (either theirs or yours) or some other change in situation. In any event, this sort of betrayal seems to be part of the human experience--a fiery trial we all go through.
I believe that how we cope with such event is part of what shapes and proves us. It's easy to show love and kindness when we get to be super-saint--when we have the esteem of those that we esteem, but can we continue to show love and kindness when people abuse us? When they hate us? When they hurt us for no reason at all? When they are jealous of our success or we are jealous of theirs? When we learn that the ones we held in such esteem didn't deserve it? That they are petty, gossipy, and altogether too human?
It's my opinion that sometimes God reaches out and touches us to draw us close to Himself--to show us that it is HIM that we are searching for--not men, not people, not the workers, not the friends. For some that drawing away means leaving the presence of the f&ws. For others it does not--but always, when we go through such experiences--it is to teach us to depend on GOD. Not on men.
Clouds of gossip always pass. Jesus can calm any storm. God wants to hold us in the palm of His hand. We do not need to fret, but to hold on to Him.
I have found--and learned to trust--that this sort of betrayal (which sometimes hurts so much that we feel we are bleeding on the inside) is not a curse, but a blessing. It shows us who are real friends are and can save us from even more heartache and from great loss on down the road. But we have to trust the process--and know that God has our best interest at heart.
That's just some random thoughts I had when thinking about this today. Shunning is painful. Run to God.
It's my opinion that all of us need to learn how to heal ourselves--or, rather, how to sit or be in a place and let God heal us. For some that means the quiet space of a bookstore, for others a walk on a mountainside (Jesus did a lot of hiking to find a place of prayer, or so we read), or a motorcycle ride. Others need the beach or a drum circle around a campfire or to go out in the garden and pull up weeds.
Whatever it is, we sometimes need to let the pain wash over us and through us and let God in so we can stay in peace until the winds of gossip and social status change direction again. Because they always change. That's just the way it is with people. Or so it has seemed to me.
Peace to all, freespirit
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Post by That was wonderful on Sept 5, 2007 17:32:52 GMT -5
I agree with others that shunning people is not in line with scriptural behavior. However (with that said)... it is my observation that at one point or another in every believer's life (2x2 or other) that this is something they will experience to some degree or another--perhaps it is with the church, perhaps it's with co-workers at a job-site, sometimes it's with a family or someone you thought was a very close friend. It can be caused by gossip, by a promotion (either theirs or yours) or some other change in situation. In any event, this sort of betrayal seems to be part of the human experience--a fiery trial we all go through. I believe that how we cope with such event is part of what shapes and proves us. It's easy to show love and kindness when we get to be super-saint--when we have the esteem of those that we esteem, but can we continue to show love and kindness when people abuse us? When they hate us? When they hurt us for no reason at all? When they are jealous of our success or we are jealous of theirs? When we learn that the ones we held in such esteem didn't deserve it? That they are petty, gossipy, and altogether too human? It's my opinion that sometimes God reaches out and touches us to draw us close to Himself--to show us that it is HIM that we are searching for--not men, not people, not the workers, not the friends. For some that drawing away means leaving the presence of the f&ws. For others it does not--but always, when we go through such experiences--it is to teach us to depend on GOD. Not on men. Clouds of gossip always pass. Jesus can calm any storm. God wants to hold us in the palm of His hand. We do not need to fret, but to hold on to Him. I have found--and learned to trust--that this sort of betrayal (which sometimes hurts so much that we feel we are bleeding on the inside) is not a curse, but a blessing. It shows us who are real friends are and can save us from even more heartache and from great loss on down the road. But we have to trust the process--and know that God has our best interest at heart. That's just some random thoughts I had when thinking about this today. Shunning is painful. Run to God. It's my opinion that all of us need to learn how to heal ourselves--or, rather, how to sit or be in a place and let God heal us. For some that means the quiet space of a bookstore, for others a walk on a mountainside (Jesus did a lot of hiking to find a place of prayer, or so we read), or a motorcycle ride. Others need the beach or a drum circle around a campfire or to go out in the garden and pull up weeds. Whatever it is, we sometimes need to let the pain wash over us and through us and let God in so we can stay in peace until the winds of gossip and social status change direction again. Because they always change. That's just the way it is with people. Or so it has seemed to me. Peace to all, freespirit That was a pleasure to read. Your thoughts are full of treasure today. This is a fantastic time for hurt and upset. God shall fill your every void........if you dare let him!
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Post by upset and hurt on Sept 5, 2007 20:42:11 GMT -5
Finally, had dinner with the workers to discuss the problem at hand. Found out that it is not just one issue that bothers the friends, it is an entire array of issues. The teenage son being worldly, wife being seen in shorts working in the yard, my family who don't profess buying alcohol, and my place of employment. There were other issues that were not true mentioned too. Was told that we could still come to Wednesday and Sunday meetings, but would prefer that we consider making some changes in our lives, and that I learn to manage my family. Well, everyone knows that women run most families.
I was respectful and kind when I mentioned I would love to have a better job than managing a book store, and I expect that I could sell the cars that they drive around in order to get some money to start my own business. They told me not to be harsh.
I was upset about the mentioning of my wife's dress code. I feel that on Wednesday's and Sunday's sure she should put forth her best before God. If she wanted to wear bib-overhauls around the house, outside or to the grocery, that was fine by me, because it is what is inside her heart and mind that matters most. I am real surprised that they didn't say something about her hair not being in a bun. she just keeps it pulled back, and I like it that way.
The son issue is probably somewhat my fault. I guess I didn't want him to feel different from other students his age. I remember quite well what it was like to grow up as a professing child. I remember watching TV at school and feeling like I had to hide those experiences from my family. Often times when I go to tell him goodnight, he is usually reading his bible, and wanting to talk over what his testimony will be on Sunday morn. or reading the bible study for the week. He has mentioned several times that he would love to go out into the work. He has such an in depth understanding of the bible that most adults would only dream of having.
The problem with my family who don't profess and drink and smoke, don't know why they didn't mention the smoking issue, I feel has no baring on the subject. Think they are just digging. It isn't like we go to the bars with them or have a parties that they all get smashed at. But yes they often do bring their own drinks to family functions only because they know I will not buy it for them.
So, I went to the meeting the wife and kids did not. I don't want to leave the "truth" and made that very clear tonight in meeting. I spoke of how we all have short comings and how rumors and lies can totally destroy a fellowship. I talked about how it takes a special person to still love an enemy and even though I did not know who for sure my enemies were I still loved them and would never do anything to harm or bruise the feelings of a fellow saint. I would continue to be there to help with any and all projects, physically, emotionally and financially if all possible. I talked about my meeting with the workers. I noticed a few tears were shed. Hands were shook after the meeting, but still felt the cold. Bitter cold a sickening cold, like a death cold.
Wife wants to call the state police and report the cars stolen. Now wouldn't that just put the icing on the cake.
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