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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 28, 2007 22:44:32 GMT -5
Please pray for Lloyd Matthews.
He got out of the 2x2 cult.
His wife is divorcing him.
She has taken the kids. He has not been allowed to see the kids for months.
A few weeks ago he got an ulcer.
Now it looks like he has mono or something.
Please pray for him. It is tough getting out of the cult. Tough on your health, good for your spirit.
Praise God for all the good He has done to help Lloyd and please pray that Lloyd will get better.
Brad
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Post by HIS WIFE on Aug 29, 2007 7:23:28 GMT -5
His wife is a byotch
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Post by HIS WIFE on Aug 29, 2007 7:27:16 GMT -5
Sorry that was mean. I shouldn't of said that. But I know this women, and she is not nice. She is a liar and a horrible horrible person.
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Post by HIZ WIFE on Aug 29, 2007 7:51:26 GMT -5
She's good in the sack tho
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Post by From Many on Aug 29, 2007 9:19:17 GMT -5
Many are praying for him. We know the story of what happened to him and how the good F&W's turned on him even when they knew that what happened to him and his spouse was not of his doing. I would say that these situations are 50/50 but clearly in this case it was not. He was lied to and behind the scenes; There was adultery and misdeeds all the way. There was a well thought out plan to get him out of the picture which had to do with money and adultery- nothing more --nothing less. The friends including the workers helped hide helped the children even after he pleaded for a reconciliation and communication. Mr. Matthews did absolutly nothing wrong. Figure that one out. You wife wants to throw you away and take the Kid and the whole church agrees. They keep the father in the dark and even hid the kids from the courts by moving just so they can keep them in the 2x2 family. Forget the Father. Sad Sad Sad. Of course then not to mention that the Father payed at least $40,000 dollars of the good wifeys bills before she split. Oh yes and they take everything from him when he is away working. Just plain sickening behavior for so called F&W's. Sickening behavior from anyone but when you profess to be the only right way and then paint these colors one can see rotten eggs all over the place. XSpouse, family and behind the scenes (new male friend) should hang their heads in shame for the sins they committed were not against Mr. Matthews but against GOD. The Many who love him are praying for him. Brad please support him since your are near. One who cares much. A real Brother in Christ
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Post by repost for error on Aug 29, 2007 9:24:41 GMT -5
Many are praying for him. We know the story of what happened to him and how the good F&W's turned on him even when they knew that what happened to him and his spouse was not of his doing. I would say that these situations are 50/50 but clearly in this case it was not. He was lied to and behind the scenes; There was adultery and misdeeds all the way. There was a well thought out plan to get him out of the picture which had to do with money and adultery- nothing more --nothing less. The friends including the workers helped hide helped the children even after he pleaded for a reconciliation and communication. (A point here - they (The FAMILY of the spouse) did not help the children but traumatized them by their actions.Mr. Matthews did absolutely nothing wrong. Figure that one out. Your wife wants to throw you away and take the Kids and the whole church agrees. They keep the father in the dark and even hid the kids from the courts by moving just so they can keep them in the 2x2 family. Forget the Father. Sad Sad Sad. Of course then not to mention that the Father payed at least $40,000 dollars of the good wifeys bills before she split. Oh yes and they take everything from him when he is away working. Just plain sickening behavior for so called F&W's. Sickening behavior from anyone but when you profess to be the only right way and then paint these colors one can see rotten eggs all over the place. XSpouse, family and behind the scenes (new male friend) should hang their heads in shame for the sins they committed were not against Mr. Matthews but against GOD. The Many who love him are praying for him. Brad please support him since your are near. One who cares much. A real Brother in Christ
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Post by both sides on Aug 29, 2007 9:49:50 GMT -5
There are generally 2 sides to every story. Yours, mine and then what really happened.
I have never seen a divorce yet where there wasn't enough blame to go around for everyone.
That aside, I will pray for Lloyd's improved health.
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Post by Yet on Aug 29, 2007 11:30:08 GMT -5
There are generally 2 sides to every story. Yours, mine and then what really happened. I have never seen a divorce yet where there wasn't enough blame to go around for everyone. That aside, I will pray for Lloyd's improved health. Yet do you know the other side? I do........ I watched the event take place. I know what happened directly. There is no other side other then what was presented in the post above yours. The other side is still hiding because of what happened. The other side does not want to answer or be accountable because they have really caused great pain and willfully hurt Mr. Matthews. It was willful and planned. It was supported by 2x2 family and hidden by the workers. They (the workers) were lied to. Once the truth was known to them they chose to be silent because the spouses family gave a lot of money to them. They (the workers) chose the guilty parties side based on favor and not truth. No --- There is only one side to this story. It is of nasty corruption and lying to include adultery. The Father suffers and the children suffer.
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Post by i agree on Aug 29, 2007 11:48:07 GMT -5
There are generally 2 sides to every story. Yours, mine and then what really happened. I have never seen a divorce yet where there wasn't enough blame to go around for everyone. That aside, I will pray for Lloyd's improved health. yes, i agree. You hit the nail on the head. since I have known Lloyd for as long as I have, I know of his situation, too, hope all is forgiven on both ends, too.
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Post by wake up on Aug 29, 2007 11:54:00 GMT -5
There are generally 2 sides to every story. Yours, mine and then what really happened. I have never seen a divorce yet where there wasn't enough blame to go around for everyone. That aside, I will pray for Lloyd's improved health. Yet do you know the other side? I do........ I watched the event take place. I know what happened directly. There is no other side other then what was presented in the post above yours. The other side is still hiding because of what happened. The other side does not want to answer or be accountable because they have really caused great pain and willfully hurt Mr. Matthews. It was willful and planned. It was supported by 2x2 family and hidden by the workers. They (the workers) were lied to. Once the truth was known to them they chose to be silent because the spouses family gave a lot of money to them. They (the workers) chose the guilty parties side based on favor and not truth. No --- There is only one side to this story. It is of nasty corruption and lying to include adultery. The Father suffers and the children suffer. We have all had friends or family who have gone through a divorce. We all side with those that we are closest to. We see through our rose-colored glasses. The truth is that we do NOT know the entire story. We were not behind the closed doors. We did not see all that done. We did not hear all that was said. It is commendable that those who know Lloyd are siding with him. I'd be willing to be that those who know the spouse would tell a completely different story and would believe it fervently. Nobody wins in a divorce.
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Post by You Who on Aug 29, 2007 15:34:25 GMT -5
Yet do you know the other side? I do........ I watched the event take place. I know what happened directly. There is no other side other then what was presented in the post above yours. The other side is still hiding because of what happened. The other side does not want to answer or be accountable because they have really caused great pain and willfully hurt Mr. Matthews. It was willful and planned. It was supported by 2x2 family and hidden by the workers. They (the workers) were lied to. Once the truth was known to them they chose to be silent because the spouses family gave a lot of money to them. They (the workers) chose the guilty parties side based on favor and not truth. No --- There is only one side to this story. It is of nasty corruption and lying to include adultery. The Father suffers and the children suffer. We have all had friends or family who have gone through a divorce. We all side with those that we are closest to. We see through our rose-colored glasses. The truth is that we do NOT know the entire story. We were not behind the closed doors. We did not see all that done. We did not hear all that was said. It is commendable that those who know Lloyd are siding with him. I'd be willing to be that those who know the spouse would tell a completely different story and would believe it fervently. Nobody wins in a divorce. You who wrote this, were you ever in their house or had outings with them? Did you ever witness their interaction?
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Post by wake up on Aug 29, 2007 15:56:00 GMT -5
No I didn't. Have you lived with them for the past several years, witnessing every move and hearing every word? Do you know every single detail that has gone on behind closed doors?
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Post by Lloyds Brother on Aug 29, 2007 17:48:24 GMT -5
So Here is the story for all those who do not know the story the nature of the characters in play. I prefer not to lie about anything because my memory is not so good to remember lies. First of all ... I've lived with Lloyd all my life and he has never dated any girl in his life because our family all maintained a high level of decency waiting for the one and only person, due to teachings of the church and strict parenting.
Shauna had apparently lived with, and was engaged to a guy before and just came out of the relationship. She told Lloyd this but he loved Shauna so still married her (Even though when you are living with someone you are dating the likelihood of pre marital sex is pretty high). She also informed both me and my wife about this when we spoke to her at different times. She also informed us that this man did not profess and that he was in to voodoo.
I am Lloyd's brother and I do look at both sides of the story. We are still in the 2x2 but because of this this incident we have got to see how the friends in the church use shunning and separation as effective weapons and I don't like it.
I know Shauna Vance, Lloyd's wife very well. I was the one that met Shauna in Texas for the first time at a Sunday morning meeting about 2002 when I stayed with the young Opel's boy and his wife. The Opel's were VERY good to me and kind by the way. As I was getting to know Shauna she told me that she was a hard worker and had a job as a nurse making good money (at least 20$/hour), that she had a hefty savings to go toward a house, and that she would be willing to travel were ever her husband needed to be to support the family. The usual nice things any guy would love to hear from a professing girl. On the other hand she didn't fail to mention that HER GRANDPARENTS ARE MILLIONAIRES but I really did not pay attention to this at the time though I wish I had because then I would of realized how much she really cared about money (even more then having a happy marriage in difficult times).
Nearly two years passed and I invited her to the UK to attend conventions as a friend. She came over and met many of the friends (I think she was looking for her future husband.... you know as girls get in their older years that start becoming desperate to find someone). Most of the people that met her thought she seemed like a pretty nice person. On the trip she seemed really tight with her money though, and I ended up paying for a lot of things. I even took her to Athens, Greece while she was visiting which I PAYED FOR. By this time I thought I got to know her fairly well.
As time went on. I introduced Lloyd to Shauna based on what she had told us. They got married etc....
People often misunderstood Lloyd because he is very well spoken and can seem a bit condescending at times (though he means no harm in what he says) but one cannot help that. He has a lot of talents which he is really proud of such as sports and being musically talented. In the UK he also had a really good job and experience in different fields of work. So when he speaks of himself he may get under peoples skin, though he doesn't do this intentionally. Shauna's parents didn't like him from the get go though. Though Shauna had been desperate to marry him, and went against their wishes. Sine their marriage everything seemed to be going very well for them, and it was VERY VERY INCREDIBLY soon after their marriage that Lloyd and Shauna were expecting their first child. Everything seemed to be going OK.
After marrying Shauna changed her tune. She never had any intention of working after marrying, but decided she wanted a husband that would support her 100%. She also had not intention of going where her husband was and demanded that Lloyd move to America were he had no work permits, and no job experience (So basically he would be starting from scratch). Lloyd gave up a really good Job in the UK where he held a high security clearance and moved to the States to be with his wife leaving behind his life and a 3 bedroom house going on to absolutely nothing. Remembering that he had no work permits Shauna simply refused to work at all so Lloyd had to take odd and ends jobs to support his family which soon have a new baby added to it.
As months went on Lloyd was surprised (as was I) to find out that Shauna had absolutely NO SAVINGS and was actually quite debt in excess of $20,000. Lloyd was the one who advised her to trade in the red sports car and he actually used up all of his savings and paid off all her loans. Lloyd also spend much of his spare time looking after the baby because Shauna was suffering from severe post natal depression after the birth of her child, which she stated in a letter to us which we have saved on the computer in JPEG format. Even with so much going against him he worked his ass of to try to support Shauna and the baby, getting jobs anywhere he could find them and bringing home what little money he could earn.
It was at this time Lloyd had applied for a manager position at a WalMart in Texas. Amazingly he got a call from the so called WalMart People saying he was being offered a job as a manager at a WalMart in Washington?!?!?!?! Not only that they were going to give them a House to move into and a Car!?!?!?!?! Wow seems to good to be true, and I guess we will never know if it was true (or just a put on farce by Shauna's parents). As at the time he was to start his Job our father passed away and he traveled to the UK to be with dad in his last hours. Because of this he was told he could not have the position. But surprisingly they could still have the house because amazingly all of a sudden Shauna's Grandparents owned it. Sounding a bit fishy wishy.
My wife and I stayed with Lloyd and Shauna at her grandparents in Idaho on Feb 2006. Lloyd and Shauna were expecting their second baby at this time. Everything was great, no problems, her grandma was very kind and interesting. Lloyd and Shauna had no problems sharing a room together. Lloyd loved watching after his little baby daughter. Me and Lloyd went down to the house were Shauna and him lived to do some work, and Shauna called Lloyd every day while they were apart telling him how much she loved and missed him. Shauna had told my wife how happy she was with Lloyd (which she called Mr. M as a pet name) and that she was so glad she met him and married. She was hoping he would find a better paying job soon so they could find a house of their own, and be out from under the control of Shauna's grandparents who owned the house they were staying in. She had also told my wife that she should be getting 500,000 dollars from her grandparents estate when they pass away. She said that her grandparents wanted her to be by them though, because they didn't want to give money to grandchildren they never saw.
I called Shauna in November, she said everything was going well, that Lloyd had a good job and they would be saving to get their home and Lloyd would soon be starting good job that pays well (at the time though he had a decent job working at Radio Shack).
In December one one month after speaking with Shauna on the phone in which she said everything was fine, Shauna just up and left Lloyd. That morning when he went to work she kissed Lloyd and told him that she loved him and when he returned from work she was gone with the kids. -Shauna took the kids, took the car, drew every cent out from the account (joint account with his money in it because she hadn't worked since they were married), took all the pictures (meaning he has NO pictures for memories of his children), took HIS immigrations papers and passports. - Had the water and electricity at the house turned off, and disconnected the phone. -That same day the Grandparents evicted him from the house they so kindly let them use. This house is out in the middle of no-where and it was in the middle of winter in Washington state. -They friends were initially willing to help Lloyd trying to lend him a car and giving him a place to store some of his stuff which he still had (clothes, etc.). That was until Shauna or her parents talked to them at which point all the friends as one turned their backs on Lloyd, and wouldn't even speak to him. A worker who had initially said that he did not agree with what Shauna had done and said he would try to speak with the family even completely changed suite and turned his back on Lloyd. - A restraining order was sent to Lloyd saying he was violent, he may have a gun, he threatened Shauna with a knife, he wants to kidnap the children. Which he wouldn't be allowed to have a gun because he was technically not even an American citizen yet. And one of the kids doesn't even have a passport so how he would kidnap them out of the country is beyond me. The order says that He MUST not go near Shauna and the children and This restraining order is constantly being renewed all the time. -Shauna's dad and sons, came back the next day to get the things she left and said they will be happy to take him to the airport (As in saying don't let the door hit you in the ass).
I called Shauna's dad who would not let me talk to Shauna. They said that they had already spoke it over (meaning Shauna and her parents) and decided this was best and that I should speak to Lloyd.
No body can understand why Shauna left. She did not tell Lloyd why she left to this day nor has her parents. No on on her side of the family will even speak to Lloyd so he is completely in the dark as to what actually went wrong. He only knows what was stated in the restraining order which he says is all lies and we believe him. We have spoken to some who live up that way and say the reason she had told the friends is that Lloyd was not supporting his family properly and was taking to many hand outs from Shauna's family. Which is completely different then what she told the courts when getting the restraining order and filing for divorce. What ever the reason she never broached the subject with her husband or tried to resolve any problems, she just up and left destroying their marriage and family in the process, and intentionally hurting Lloyd in the worst possible ways.
The latest is he has not seen his children since December 2006. He is paying maintenance of $1500/month to Shauna because she claims she a minimum wage. Shauna has filed for divorce but wants to prolong it. In one instance, Shauna's Lawyer had called Lloyd's lawyer to say she would not be attending the court on a particular day so Lloyd's lawyer had told Lloyd that there was probably not reason for them to be attending if Shauna and her Lawyer were not there. However, Shauna her Lawyer and her parents turned up to court on that day and had a heated discussion with the Judge about Shauna DESPERATELY NOT WANTING TO TAKE A Paternity TEST for their first child.
She has continued to run up the credit card bills which are in her and Lloyd's name without paying them. Lloyd has attempted to cancel the cards, but has been told that he can not do so without Shauna's consent.
When this first happened back in December I tried desperately to get some help for my brother. Living in the UK it was difficult because I did not know any of the workers in the area to get in contact with. I tried calling the friends over their to get the workers numbers. One of them did give me the number, but it was a number of a different church (a worldly church as they would call it). Did they do this intentionally as a stab at Lloyd's side of the family... I guess we will never know. Though good did come out of it because I had a nice long discussion with a minister who said they would not allow this kind of ungodly behavior in their church, and if a family was going through difficult times they would do everything in their power to sit down and discuss and counsel the couple. I then preceded to talk to the head worker in the UK to see if he could contact the workers in that area and set up a counseling session between Shauna and Lloyd with the workers present to see if some problems could be resolved. I went to the head worker, the first thing he asked was "does Lloyd have a lawyer?" I said "Yes, but Lawyers are their to destroy marriages, while we should be trying to fix them". The head worker, Ben Compton preceded to tell me, "we only know one side of the story and so can not make any judgments" (meaning Shauna's because he didn't know Lloyd's story at this time) and "That they heard that Lloyd was no longer interested in the meetings" (So I guess Lloyd isn't worth their time then.... and plus Lloyd was still interested in meetings at this time so they were most likely told this by Shauna's family).
There you have it. You can believe it or not, but everything I have written her is true. We are supposed to have hearts like Jesus. These events remind me of the priest and Levi that left a man for dead on the side of the road.
Lloyd's Brother mark325i@hotmail.com
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Post by This is why they have courts on Aug 29, 2007 18:01:35 GMT -5
Thank you first witness. We have now heard your side of the story. Now let's hear the second witness to hear the other side of the story. Go ahead please..........
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Post by Wish we did on Aug 29, 2007 18:08:32 GMT -5
Wish we did know their side of the story. I think Lloyd would also like to know there side of the story. Perhaps it would give him some closure.
Except she wasn't very mature. She never told him she was leaving. She never told him she was unhappy. She just up and left without any discussion about anything that she was unhappy about.
Really mature huh?1?!?!?
At least I am mature enough that if my husband made me unhappy I can sit down with him and have a discussion about it.
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Post by my two cents on Aug 29, 2007 23:05:30 GMT -5
Lloyd's brother,
If Lloyd has nothing why doesn't he just declare bankrupcy? With her name on the credit cards too, I assume she'd then be the one who has to pay them.
My heart goes out to your brother, and to you, as it's obvious that you're suffering along with him.
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Post by Lloyds Brother on Aug 30, 2007 1:31:48 GMT -5
To "My Two Cents"
I'm assuming Lloyd wants to progress in the USA. Bankrupcy is a step backwards for ones self.
Lloyd had a good credit history but Shauna has destroyed it.
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Post by hawk on Aug 30, 2007 2:14:44 GMT -5
To "My Two Cents" I'm assuming Lloyd wants to progress in the USA. Bankrupcy is a step backwards for ones self. Lloyd had a good credit history but Shauna has destroyed it. Bankruptcy is not a step backward - it's a step forward to making credit better. I think you meant Lloyd haD good credit. He no longer has it if Shauna has destroyed it. It's a good time to file but if the card companys say he cannot destroy the card without her consent, I don't see how he can declare bankruptcy on the cards. They are evidently joint owners. But then again, I am not a bankruptcy attorney.
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Post by shushy on Aug 30, 2007 8:53:16 GMT -5
Look this is just aweful ....why is everyone speaking about this poor man and his family? This shouldnt be allowed. He should be at least given some dignity, respect. Everyone has skeletons in their closet.
It reminds me of the old days. If this had happened then ..everyone would have been put in the ducking stool/chair and dunked in the pond.
I notice not many of you have the balls to use your own names either. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 30, 2007 11:42:07 GMT -5
Dear Lloyd's Brother,
'Just a couple of points I'd like to make to you.
You are in grave error when you say that their joint bank account has Lloyd's money in it (only) because he is the one that earned it. That is not the way it works here in the USA. Anything that has both of their names on it, belongs to both of them (a la the credit cards as well.) So she took her half of the $$ and stole his half.
Lloyd needs to get a different attorney - a "bull dog", if you will, who specializes in divorce cases! It seems that Lloyd was not making a lot of money, but it would appear that if the court has awarded her $1,500.00 a month for two children.....he is making some very good money, in fact! If, indeed, he is not making much and she can do nursing making $$$!, the court would award relative to that and not what she is "willing" to work for right now!
The attorney should have already filed with the court that anything she charges on the credit cards will not be paid by Lloyd. And, yes, the divorce attorney should be advised by a bankruptcy attorney on what to do in that regard! I wish I could send him MY attorney! My goodness!
Lloyd's brother, I've been through this so I know how this works. I also imagine that before it is over, her family will have the workers and the "little meeting" in the courtroom as well. That's what happened to me and it is a common thing in "professing" divorces to somehow prove the "character" of the one the friends are siding with. My judge found it so distasteful that he took the negotiation hearings into his private chambers for privacy!
My heart weeps for Lloyd! He needs to go back home, but how can he leave his precious children behind? He will never be able to recover "in the meetings", so what does he have left but "a stranger in a strange land" with no way to return to his own family and land!
Best regards! Edy
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Post by my 2 cents on Aug 30, 2007 13:27:12 GMT -5
Nathan9,
That is very nice of you! You are showing the kindness that seems to be so lacking in the behaviour of Lloyd's wife and family.
Where the church is involved: and a "war" between two professing individuals--it is good if they do all they can not to disrupt/divide/and hurt the fellowship and each other as believers.
Hopefully those in Lloyd's field who knows him can at least extend unto him some friendship and comfort--without necessarily taking sides.
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Post by is it true on Aug 31, 2007 11:17:10 GMT -5
I knew Shauna when she was a little tyke knew her mom & dad, too back when they all lived in Fairbanks AK.
They were a non-assuming, kind & gentle family.
Hearing what has transpired between Shauna & her husband breaks my heart for both of them. If the allegations are true & Shauna is an adulterer/deceiver then I am saddened by her character. I can't imagine Lloyd is perfect and likely Shauna has some legitimate gripes about her spouse but he is certainly coming across as the agrieved one and my heart aches for him.
Shauna's family has alot of influence in ID because of their monetary clot. Tragically, we live in a society (2x2 included) where money matters. Bribes happen even in the 2x2's. Money is likely being used to buy silence and protect the reputation of Shauna's family.
That Shauna is refusing to deal with the situation in an open and fair way is an indication in my mind at least that she is trying to manipulate the situation to best serve her position.
Shame on all involved who claim to be true followers of Christ yet are manifesting such ill character.
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Post by As far as we know on Aug 31, 2007 11:58:24 GMT -5
yes as far as we know this is true... It is very sad...
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Post by to Shushy on Aug 31, 2007 12:18:27 GMT -5
I notice not many of you have the balls to use your own names either. You know Shushy, you are absolutely right. They should have the courage to use their real names. Just like you. What kind of name is Shushy anyway, Irish? Dutch? Italian? LOL
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Post by shushy on Aug 31, 2007 17:03:20 GMT -5
Its my name, just another languages version of it. Just dont mistake it with sushi which is Japanese food.... LOL
I feel so sorry for this guy Lloyd and where is he anyway. I thought he used to post. No one would want their business advertised all over the internet. Would you?
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Post by Lloyds Brother on Sept 2, 2007 6:55:40 GMT -5
Thank you all for your replies.
It has come to my attention that many have been through similar situations as these and it's good that we must make it known to everyone that things like this does go on in our church.
I have found that: 80% of the cases female, with the kids always get the support of the friends and workers. Also if you are associated with the more "high staus"/richer/"workers-in-the-family" groups, this wil help very much.
The other 20% I have reserved for those who are men with kids. But I have not come across many men with kids who have been treated kindly.
Many thanks for the advise and support.
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Post by swinging blindly now on Sept 2, 2007 9:55:21 GMT -5
Thank you all for your replies. It has come to my attention that many have been through similar situations as these and it's good that we must make it known to everyone that things like this does go on in our church. I have found that: 80% of the cases female, with the kids always get the support of the friends and workers. Also if you are associated with the more "high staus"/richer/"workers-in-the-family" groups, this wil help very much. The other 20% I have reserved for those who are men with kids. But I have not come across many men with kids who have been treated kindly. Many thanks for the advise and support. And how many hundreds of cases have you researched?
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Post by Lloyds Brother on Sept 2, 2007 11:52:59 GMT -5
Thank you all for your replies. It has come to my attention that many have been through similar situations as these and it's good that we must make it known to everyone that things like this does go on in our church. I have found that: 80% of the cases female, with the kids always get the support of the friends and workers. Also if you are associated with the more "high staus"/richer/"workers-in-the-family" groups, this wil help very much. The other 20% I have reserved for those who are men with kids. But I have not come across many men with kids who have been treated kindly. Many thanks for the advise and support. And how many hundreds of cases have you researched? To "Swinging blindly" No point using that kind of technique with me. This is a serious matter and you are making mockery. If you were facing me right now you will see that I do not swing blindly. The fact is, you would have sense knocked into you before you even hit the floor. Are you mad that I have spoken the truth? (People here have asked what the story is with Lloyd and I have told them so.) Our Sunday morning meeting folks here and the sister workers are disgusted with the way Lloyd has been treated. Tell me what is your name? Or are you a coward to hide behind your alias? Now. Lets get back to the topic. The topic says "Please pray for Lloyd". There is a need to pray for someone. Will you pray for him with us?
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