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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 2, 2007 12:30:59 GMT -5
Dear "Lloyd's brother", I'm so glad to have met Lloyd. He's doing quite well actually considering all he's been through. I thank God for the Mormons that helped him find a place to live and actually put him up with a place to sleep after he had to leave his house. They showed him more kindness than the 2x2s did. I sympathize with him because it is so hard to deal with 2x2s. They say they are Christians, they offend, are not accountable, they don't want to talk about the matter and then avoid you in fear. The offense continues and I think of what Jesus said about offenses. Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. I praise God that Lloyd suffered this offense of Shauna and them. It has caused him to leave the cult with it's occult practices. He got a similar response as I in my experience when talking with the workers. He talked to Linda Brist (God have mercy on her soul) and Tom Hinkle (God forgive this cowardly helpless man). I also am reminded about 2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And thankfully Lloyd appears to be continuing in the real gospel now, taking also Paul's council as Timothy did. God is a faithful judge. And I'm looking forward to when the divorce is complete. Please pray also that Lloyd can see his two daughters: Elizabeth and Esther as he has not seen them for over eight months. Please pray for the judge of the case and the lawyers. That God would waken them to righteousness, that justice could be done in judgement and that God's name would be lifted up through it all. I praise God who is in control and is doing His mighty work to glorify His name and destroy the destroyer of men's souls. Please pray also with Lloyd for his wife that she could come to know God and turn to Him. God have mercy on all the cowardly 2x2s who have created such a mess and are reclusive. God bless all those who have helped Lloyd and the church in Kinnewick (Bethel church) who is visiting him and bringing him food and comfort. Please pray for Doug Corcoran who actively slanders Lloyd Matthews. 1Pe 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. Please pray for my evil mother Linda Lewis who has talked bad about Lloyd when she doesn't even know him and she would not even talk to him when he pressured-washed her driveway. To those of you who have not known first-hand such experiences and the details of which could make you sick: I hope that you wake up without going through such horrible ordeals to cause you to come to your senses. and Lloyd can find comfort in these words: 1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil. 1Pe 3:13 And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good? 1Pe 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled; 1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 2, 2007 13:17:51 GMT -5
Praise God for people who observe what is going on and support those who are righteous and rebuke those who are evil. Praise God that Jesus took sides as he loved his dicisples and rebuked the wicked. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 2, 2007 13:19:10 GMT -5
Please pray for Gary and Bonnie Vance of Beaverton who are the father and mother of Shauna Matthews and who have not consoled Lloyd for the evil actions of their daughter yet profess to be children of God. Their hypocrisy is evident to all. Brad
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Post by swinging blindly now on Sept 2, 2007 13:25:11 GMT -5
And how many hundreds of cases have you researched? To "Swinging blindly" No point using that kind of technique with me. This is a serious matter and you are making mockery. If you were facing me right now you will see that I do not swing blindly. The fact is, you would have sense knocked into you before you even hit the floor. Are you mad that I have spoken the truth? (People here have asked what the story is with Lloyd and I have told them so.) Our Sunday morning meeting folks here and the sister workers are disgusted with the way Lloyd has been treated. Tell me what is your name? Or are you a coward to hide behind your alias? Now. Lets get back to the topic. The topic says "Please pray for Lloyd". There is a need to pray for someone. Will you pray for him with us? Lloyd's brother, Threats huh? My fighting days are behind me. I could still kick your arse though. And my daddy could beat up your daddy and all that too...... Grow up. If Lloyd's maturity is as stunted as yours, maybe that could explain some of his hardships. So how many divorce cases have your researched to base your 80% and 20% statistic on? And do you have any idea where the kids usually end up in ALL divorces in the country where it occurred? Do you know the statistics on how many men think that they get screwed in divorces? Do you know the statistics on how many women think they get screwed in divorces? Are you aware that in EVERY divorce, there are always several sides to the stories? And that both sides are usually quite bitter and utterly convinced that the other side has done wrong. Are you also aware that both parties usually feel that they are treated bad by the "neutral parties" as well as the former in-laws? Hey, if it makes you feel better to vent here, go ahead. However, I think it's kind of lousy that you are trying to use this board to present one side of a story involving people that most of us have no personal interaction with.
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Post by hypocrisy indeed on Sept 2, 2007 13:35:34 GMT -5
Please pray for David & Traci Vance of Beaverton who are the father and mother of Shauna Matthews and who have not consoled Lloyd for the evil actions of their daughter yet profess to be children of God. Their hypocrisy is evident to all. Brad I would have to say that disguising a criticism of someone in a "please pray for them" plea is about as hypocritical as one can be. How utterly disgusting. Even more disgusting is that people are posting typical divorce grudges on here using people's names. It is so immature and un-Christian. I don't know any of the people involved but it really sickens me.
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Post by Lloyds brother on Sept 2, 2007 14:52:23 GMT -5
To "Swinging blindly" No point using that kind of technique with me. This is a serious matter and you are making mockery. If you were facing me right now you will see that I do not swing blindly. The fact is, you would have sense knocked into you before you even hit the floor. Are you mad that I have spoken the truth? (People here have asked what the story is with Lloyd and I have told them so.) Our Sunday morning meeting folks here and the sister workers are disgusted with the way Lloyd has been treated. Tell me what is your name? Or are you a coward to hide behind your alias? Now. Lets get back to the topic. The topic says "Please pray for Lloyd". There is a need to pray for someone. Will you pray for him with us? Lloyd's brother, Threats huh? My fighting days are behind me. I could still kick your arse though. And my daddy could beat up your daddy and all that too...... Grow up. If Lloyd's maturity is as stunted as yours, maybe that could explain some of his hardships. So how many divorce cases have your researched to base your 80% and 20% statistic on? And do you have any idea where the kids usually end up in ALL divorces in the country where it occurred? Do you know the statistics on how many men think that they get screwed in divorces? Do you know the statistics on how many women think they get screwed in divorces? Are you aware that in EVERY divorce, there are always several sides to the stories? And that both sides are usually quite bitter and utterly convinced that the other side has done wrong. Are you also aware that both parties usually feel that they are treated bad by the "neutral parties" as well as the former in-laws? Hey, if it makes you feel better to vent here, go ahead. However, I think it's kind of lousy that you are trying to use this board to present one side of a story involving people that most of us have no personal interaction with. If I had not made myself clear. I met of all the people in the church who have go through a divorce, this is what I had noticed. I'm not going to stop to your level of anger. So. You don't make sense. You are the one talking about fighting... Not me. You are the one called "swinging blindly". What is your real name? You have not answered that. You will not pray for another person in need. You are not sticking to the subject. It seems like you really do hate Lloyd which means you know him indirectly somewhat. Why are you saying you can kick my **** when are scared to identify yourself? This is terrorist tactics of Hiding, insulting, abusive, angry, fighting, kicking. Stick to the topic. Will you "Please pray for this person who is in need of help?"
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Post by Lloyds brother on Sept 2, 2007 15:00:17 GMT -5
Apologies for my spelling mistakes. This is what I meant. If I had not made myself clear. I meant to say, of all the people in the church who have gone through a divorce (the ones I have talked to that is), this is what I had noticed. I'm not going to stoop to your level of anger.
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Post by swinging blindly on Sept 2, 2007 17:23:46 GMT -5
If I had not made myself clear. I met of all the people in the church who have go through a divorce, this is what I had noticed. I'm not going to stop to your level of anger. So. You don't make sense. You are the one talking about fighting... Not me. You are the one called "swinging blindly". What is your real name? You have not answered that. You will not pray for another person in need. You are not sticking to the subject. It seems like you really do hate Lloyd which means you know him indirectly somewhat. Why are you saying you can kick my **** when are scared to identify yourself? This is terrorist tactics of Hiding, insulting, abusive, angry, fighting, kicking. Stick to the topic. Will you "Please pray for this person who is in need of help?" Lloyd's brother. "Swinging blindly" is a term that referred to how you were generalizing in your post. I wasn't referring to physical violence in that first post. I don't think that seeing a few divorces in your Church is enough valid data to draw conclusions from. I don't know Lloyd other than from his las posts. I pray for all people going through tough times, him included. I don't think it's appropriate that you to use this board to say negative things about his wife. It's cowardly.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 2, 2007 17:25:22 GMT -5
Please show us how to contact Shauna so we can talk to her in person.
Do you know her new " friend's " name too so we can talk with him?
Is he aware of rumors about what is going on between them?
Is he 2x2 like her? or is he an "outsider"
Do they both share similar beliefs as Shauna's dad and mom?
Maybe they all can get together and talk with Lloyd instead of her doing the immature nasty divorce bit.
Thanks,
Brad
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2007 17:58:58 GMT -5
If I had not made myself clear. I met of all the people in the church who have go through a divorce, this is what I had noticed. I'm not going to stop to your level of anger. So. You don't make sense. You are the one talking about fighting... Not me. You are the one called "swinging blindly". What is your real name? You have not answered that. You will not pray for another person in need. You are not sticking to the subject. It seems like you really do hate Lloyd which means you know him indirectly somewhat. Why are you saying you can kick my **** when are scared to identify yourself? This is terrorist tactics of Hiding, insulting, abusive, angry, fighting, kicking. Stick to the topic. Will you "Please pray for this person who is in need of help?" Lloyd's brother. "Swinging blindly" is a term that referred to how you were generalizing in your post. I wasn't referring to physical violence in that first post. I don't think that seeing a few divorces in your Church is enough valid data to draw conclusions from. I don't know Lloyd other than from his las posts. I pray for all people going through tough times, him included. I don't think it's appropriate that you to use this board to say negative things about his wife. It's cowardly. las and LloydM are not the same person. One thing I have noticed in church and ministry reaction to divorces in our church is that there is a strong lemming-like tendency to support one side only. One party is deemed right, the other deemed wrong. There seems to be an inabilty to understand that in most cases there is plenty of blame on both sides. I have seen some real travesties. In one case where I am closely aware of both sides and was able to remain communicative with both sides, the workers and almost all the church sided entirely with one side. From my viewpoint, the "blame" probably ranged from between 60:40 to 40:60. It took my breath away to see the vicious attitude taken by the church and workers. Advocating fairness and kindness to both parties only got me in the doghouse too! Interestingly in this case, the "winner'' came from a wealthy influential family, the "loser" came from a more humble background without wealth or influence in the church. In another case, the workers sided with the adulterer. The workers couldn't understand why the spouse wouldn't put up with many more years of adultery after already going through several years of it. The "winner" was from a more worker-worship type of family. The end result seems that the 'winner" has self-destructed anyway, and the "loser" is doing great, looks great and is happier than I have ever seen her. Thank goodness that justice seems to be occur some times in spite of interference. Marital problems and separation/divorce is one area where our church is extremely immature in and really needs improvement.
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Post by Lloyds brother on Sept 3, 2007 0:37:22 GMT -5
If I had not made myself clear. I met of all the people in the church who have go through a divorce, this is what I had noticed. I'm not going to stop to your level of anger. So. You don't make sense. You are the one talking about fighting... Not me. You are the one called "swinging blindly". What is your real name? You have not answered that. You will not pray for another person in need. You are not sticking to the subject. It seems like you really do hate Lloyd which means you know him indirectly somewhat. Why are you saying you can kick my **** when are scared to identify yourself? This is terrorist tactics of Hiding, insulting, abusive, angry, fighting, kicking. Stick to the topic. Will you "Please pray for this person who is in need of help?" Lloyd's brother. "Swinging blindly" is a term that referred to how you were generalizing in your post. I wasn't referring to physical violence in that first post. I don't think that seeing a few divorces in your Church is enough valid data to draw conclusions from. I don't know Lloyd other than from his las posts. I pray for all people going through tough times, him included. I don't think it's appropriate that you to use this board to say negative things about his wife. It's cowardly. "Swinging blindly" Thats okay. As I said, i told the whole truth of the side of my story. I tried to get the other side of the story from Sharuna's DAD on the night Shauna left. He said he has nothing to discuss with me. They had made up their minds to divide Shauna. Our head worker, Ben Crompton Said, after enquiring from someone in the USA, that "Lloyd is not interested in the meetings". This is not true because They both were going to meeting up to the divorce. So, we need to talk to Shauna to get her side of the story and take corrective measures. Shauna is not a bad person, because I know her from a long time. Its what she has become, she too needs help, which we should keep her in our prayers too. She was happy for her and Lloyd to get his USA via in the begining of December, but some one did/said something bad to her which made her sue for divorce a week or 2 later. Its only parents that can fuel/support divorce like this. Brad is right. Does Someone know how to contact Shauna? Thank all.
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 3, 2007 1:26:03 GMT -5
i've only heard one side of the story here.... she can talk too, right? i met a man in jail... he got 25 years for hanging his wife from the shower head in their bathroom.... this man was the nicest man you'd ever meet, claimed his innocence, never had a real lawyer... we studied the bible together... and although he had never heard of the truth, he had a wonderful Spirit. but i know that people can make you upset, they can make you hate them, especially if you are trying to love them as they do it... and everyone is different... for example, you can say anything to my friend kevan, and nothing gets to him, nothing makes him mad... i am just the opposite, everything gets to me, but i also get over it quick, and forgive, and love just as much.... and thats because of something i heard in a gospel meeting. Jesus used a child as an example... anyway so did the worker in this meeting. he spoke on the way children are. one day they will be fighting like crazy, and the next day they will be playing together as if nothing happened. and thats true. when i was little, i fought with my neighbor all the time, but every day we were playing cars and building forts like old pals... anyway, this guy in jail, i am thinking, maybe he got upset to the point he could not control himself.... (i have learned to just leave when this happens...lol) ......maybe he had a human nature that was like that. he snapped, and snapped her neck, and then maybe after that he was fine.... the thing is, i don't know what happened, because i was not there, i never talked to her family, i just don't know. its the same in this case... lloyd didnt kill anyone, that was just an example, but i wouldnt go so far as to say he never scared her... i have scared women without even trying, and i have never hurt one in my life... so yes, pray for lloyd, and it could well be that she was mean and cruel, and he was full of love... it could be that even if this was the case, that he just couldn't take it anymore, and gave her a piece of his mind, and she turned on him with even more cruelty. many things probably happened....but there is only one side here, and usually some things are not admitted, because of embarrassment, humiliation, or fear.... i wish the best for him, and that he can just somehow get a new and happy life, and that he can see his kids... if she is professing, she'll be doing some alone time too.... but the hatred has to be let go of....somehow...and i know its hard, trust me , i know... hang in there, lloyd ranman
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Post by Cant Understand on Sept 3, 2007 5:25:55 GMT -5
What I can't understand is how she is going to meetings, and yet already has a new guy hanging around. Their divorce is not even final yet???
If divorce and re marriage is a big issue..... For sure seeing a new guy when your divorce is not even final yet has got to be a HUGE ISSUE....
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Post by Bumper on Sept 3, 2007 16:00:37 GMT -5
This is not going away. This is the 2x2 cult doing its thing. This case needs the light of day. Watch the rats run for the darkness.
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Post by grow up all of us on Sept 3, 2007 21:14:24 GMT -5
Divorce is between two people (and their families and friends get dragged in unfortunately).
Why is a divorce a "2x2" thing. Ridiculously immature.
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Post by Simple Answer on Sept 3, 2007 21:34:55 GMT -5
Divorce is between two people (and their families and friends get dragged in unfortunately). Why is a divorce a "2x2" thing. Ridiculously immature. Divorce is between two people who are married and one in the eyes of God. The issue is between the two people and God. Since the F&W's claim to be the right way then they should have the largest responsibility to help heal these two rather then tare them apart. What does this have to do with 2x2. The friends (both family and others in the area) plus the workers in the area have fostered collusions to help divide rather then help these two heal. The friends (both family and others in the area) plus the workers in the area have fostered the continued separation of the father from the children. This is wrong (period). Was marriage counseling offered or encouraged by the F&W's? As I understand it (NO).
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Post by The world on Sept 4, 2007 0:41:40 GMT -5
The "world". i.e anything that is not 2x2 handles divorces better, and in a mature and controlled way.
When a divorce happens in the 2x2, and the after effects. Its like dogs fighting over a piece of steak. This is a sign of an unchrist like spirit. It's all like Satan.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 5, 2007 0:53:07 GMT -5
I talked to Phu Nguyen yesterday in our Bible study and he said to tell Lloyd that he is sorry for what he is going through. Phu has been through similar circumstances and was treated very badly by many 2x2 cult leaders and followers. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 6, 2007 1:42:10 GMT -5
I'm sure Lloyd is thankful for all the prayers people have made regarding his situation. Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Brad
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Post by what about on Sept 6, 2007 19:16:31 GMT -5
What about the workers in Lloyd's field?
Haven't they helped him?
The Bible says to strengthen the weak and lift up the feeble hands.
Aren't the workers helping Lloyd? Aren't they really the true ministers of God?
-What about
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Post by Bumper on Sept 6, 2007 21:43:01 GMT -5
What about the workers in Lloyd's field? Haven't they helped him? The Bible says to strengthen the weak and lift up the feeble hands. Aren't the workers helping Lloyd? Aren't they really the true ministers of God? -What about Bump Time Hang in there Lloyd help is on the way !!
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Post by Is it true on Sept 7, 2007 0:42:11 GMT -5
Is it true that the Mormon's helped Lloyd when the 2x2s shunned him because they were embarrased at being fooled first by the workers and then Shauna?
-Is it true?
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Post by Yes it is true on Sept 7, 2007 3:57:37 GMT -5
After Shauna took everything, all his money, turned off the electricity and water and heat, kicked him out of the house, and took his car.... After the friends turned their backs on him...
The Mormons stepped in and helped him... Let him stay with them... Then found a affordable place where he could stay close to work... And gave him a car (sure it was a beater car, but it was still something that went vroom)..... And most of all gave him friendship and a hand in a very hard time in his life.
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Post by How it happened on Sept 7, 2007 10:40:58 GMT -5
After Shauna took everything, all his money, turned off the electricity and water and heat, kicked him out of the house, and took his car.... After the friends turned their backs on him... The Mormons stepped in and helped him... Let him stay with them... Then found a affordable place where he could stay close to work... And gave him a car (sure it was a beater car, but it was still something that went vroom)..... And most of all gave him friendship and a hand in a very hard time in his life. As I understood it Lloyd did not seek out the Mormons. Mormons are very strong in family structure. One who met L thought work became aware of his struggles and was just plan appalled at what took place - especially when give the Christian fellowship understanding. They realized there was someone in deep hurt and need and then stepped in to help. I applaud them for that.
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Post by Hello Again on Sept 8, 2007 17:52:01 GMT -5
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Post by the garbage dump on Sept 8, 2007 19:21:48 GMT -5
After Shauna took everything, all his money, turned off the electricity and water and heat, kicked him out of the house, and took his car.... After the friends turned their backs on him... Sounds like a real unbiased story there. On another note, I know of times when 2x2's took in a "lost soul" from another religion who was "treated poorly." I think most religions are glad to lend a hand when they hear of someone who has been "left on the side of the road" by their previous religion. We tend to believe those stories. There is more to Lloyd and Shauna's story than the one-sided accounts that have been posted here. Shauna's family is to classy to get into this "he-said/she-said" garbage.
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Post by not a doll on Sept 8, 2007 21:07:58 GMT -5
After Shauna took everything, all his money, turned off the electricity and water and heat, kicked him out of the house, and took his car.... After the friends turned their backs on him... Sounds like a real unbiased story there. On another note, I know of times when 2x2's took in a "lost soul" from another religion who was "treated poorly." I think most religions are glad to lend a hand when they hear of someone who has been "left on the side of the road" by their previous religion. We tend to believe those stories. There is more to Lloyd and Shauna's story than the one-sided accounts that have been posted here. Shauna's family is to classy to get into this "he-said/she-said" garbage. Why don't you call the parents of the doll and find out? Really classy huh. You like dolls? Yeah, they don't get into he-said, she-said, they just take sides with the doll. They don't bother with Godly judgment. -not a doll
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Post by replace this on Sept 8, 2007 21:08:42 GMT -5
replace doll with s-l-u-t
-replace this
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