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Post by las logged out on Aug 27, 2007 17:32:40 GMT -5
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Post by an ex on Aug 28, 2007 7:14:00 GMT -5
thanks las, I hadn't seen this one before
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 7:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by liar on Aug 28, 2007 7:41:58 GMT -5
Talk about false advertising. That website has nothing to do with 2x2ism until you get to the so-called "keywords" down at the very bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 7:43:41 GMT -5
quote - "That website has nothing to do with 2x2ism until you get to the so-called "keywords" down at the very bottom."
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by I take it on Aug 28, 2007 7:46:15 GMT -5
quote - "That website has nothing to do with 2x2ism until you get to the so-called "keywords" down at the very bottom." ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Now that's the most thought-out post you've ever written.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 7:50:31 GMT -5
Actually, 2x2 ism MAY have started with John the Baptist. We know he had his own disciples. But certainly, Jesus sent out his own disciples 2x2.
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Post by intellectual dishonesty on Aug 28, 2007 8:07:11 GMT -5
Actually, 2x2 ism MAY have started with John the Baptist. We know he had his own disciples. But certainly, Jesus sent out his own disciples 2x2. Intellectual dishonesty is your modus operandi, bert.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 8:11:47 GMT -5
Nah... I just read that in my bible. King James Version, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, plus the 70 year story of the post-crucifixion preachers.
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Post by Nathan9 to on Aug 28, 2007 8:31:31 GMT -5
Good site, Bert. A master piece!
Here is my 2x2 website. My main computer is in the workshop for upgrades so I am using a back up one right now.
www.homestead.com/prosites-hobarker/topicsinbible.html
I have read Cherie's go by 2x2 article. It is an interesting article but I've found many errors in that article! when I have time I will explain these errors which I found.
Cherie, did somebody help you putting this article going out 2x2 article together? Thanks.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 28, 2007 8:55:06 GMT -5
Check it out closely, Nate - its not MY article. It was written by someone else entirely. It's a REPRINT.
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Post by Nathan9 to Cherie on Aug 28, 2007 9:13:01 GMT -5
Check it out closely, Nate - its not MY article. It was written by someone else entirely. It's a REPRINT. Cherie, can you tell me was it written by an ex-2x2 or an ex-worker? Thanks.
Yes, I know it was a REPRINT because I read it before because I read the second half part before and found many errors on his or her understanding of going out 2x2.
Do you agree with everything this person's understanding on his or her article, Cherie?
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 28, 2007 9:15:39 GMT -5
NB: Just go to the top of the article and read the Editors note. That is all I know about the author.
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Post by Nathan9 to Cherie on Aug 28, 2007 9:16:28 GMT -5
Check it out closely, Nate - its not MY article. It was written by someone else entirely. It's a REPRINT. Cherie, did you put the top part of the 2x2 history together and the second part was written by a non-2x2 preacher about Going out 2x2, right? Thanks, in advance.
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Post by And Here on Aug 28, 2007 9:16:33 GMT -5
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Post by N9 to Cherie on Aug 28, 2007 9:26:34 GMT -5
NB: Just go to the top of the article and read the Editors note. That is all I know about the author. Thanks, Cherie. Did Paul put the whole page together by himself or did you put the whole page together by yourself and adding his article and understanding on going out 2x2 article on the same page, right?
You don't see any error/s in his understanding of the going 2x2 article? Do you agree with everything in the article this man had written? Thanks, again.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 28, 2007 9:51:31 GMT -5
NB: I wrote the Editors Note---PERIOD. The rest is a reprint.
I haven't read it in ages, and don't intend to. I don't know if I agree or not.
Why do you ask?
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Post by Nathan9 to Cherie on Aug 28, 2007 10:04:13 GMT -5
NB: I wrote the Editors Note---PERIOD. The rest is a reprint. I haven't read it in ages, and don't intend to. I don't know if I agree or not. Why do you ask? Paul's article makes your website looks bad because you are promoting his false and incorrect understanding of the scriptures going out 2x2 writing.
You should read and understand what you allow posting on your website, Cherie because if you don't then those who understand the scriptures know you are promoting a false teaching in your website with your approval.
I believe you agree with Paul's understanding in his writing of this article or you would NOT post it on your website.
Read Paul's article again then you will see many errors in his understanding. Stick with your 2x2 church history.
Different ones on here have posted this article and believe as the gospelTruth in the past! and they give your website the credit... Once people show the errors in Paul's article then you as the owner will get the blunt of the deal because it came from your site. Then your will loose credibility for allowing these false teachings on your site.
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Post by hilarious on Aug 28, 2007 10:28:54 GMT -5
nathan, you're hilarious. Your lack of debating skills is precious. Cherie told you she didn't write that article. The article itself tells you she didn't write that article. Yet here you are arguing with her over the article, as if she is the author, even though you acknowledge she is not the author.
AT LEAST SHE PUTS AUTHOR NAMES ON ARTICLES ON HER SITE, nathan. Can't say the same for your site.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 28, 2007 10:46:24 GMT -5
NB: You're attacking a straw man, Nate. Bcs something is on TTT does not mean I condone it or endorse it. TTT is a collection of historical documents that have been written about the group--regardless of what the authors bent/bias is. I'm just the reporter/recorder. If you had read the foreward where this article is located you would find the following information. The article NB takes issue with is located in the Basic Researchers Guide section of TTT, which is located at home.earthlink.net/%7Etruth444/index-BRG.html. The very first thing on the first page of the BRG is this statement: The BASIC RESEARCHER'S GUIDE is a list of all known available material written by outsiders about the 2x2 sect, as well as historical documents written by insiders. The list and material is presented without prejudice for the readers' examination and evaluation, with no regard given to the orientation of the information; i.e. negative or positive. The Basic Researcher's Guide is a historical data base of the 2x2 sect, created to aid those who want to research this group. It is a researcher's tool. Inclusion of material in The Basic Researcher's Guide is based solely on the subject matter, with the criteria being that information (1) must be published or circulated and (2) must relate to The Church Without a Name, its history, founder and/or congregation. The TTT Editor makes no representations concerning the accuracy of the information presented in the references listed. CERTIFICATION: Telling The Truth certifies that its compiler has visually examined a copy of each and every item listed in this Basic Researcher's Guide, and holds a hard copy in its files to substantiate each item listed herein.
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Post by Nathan9 to on Aug 28, 2007 10:48:48 GMT -5
nathan, you're hilarious. Your lack of debating skills is precious. Cherie told you she didn't write that article. The article itself tells you she didn't write that article. Yet here you are arguing with her over the article, as if she is the author, even though you acknowledge she is not the author. AT LEAST SHE PUTS AUTHOR NAMES ON ARTICLES ON HER SITE, nathan. Can't say the same for your site. When the authors on my website grant me the permission to post their identities or whatever name they choose on my website then I post but when they want to be anonymous then I must abide with their wishes.
I hope Cherie will read and study carefully on Paul's article about on going out 2x2 because when she leaves it on her website as the way it's written then the readers BELIEVE she approves his writing is 100% correct.
Just my opinion.
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Post by Nathan9 to Cherie on Aug 28, 2007 10:56:01 GMT -5
NB: You're attacking a straw man, Nate. Bcs something is on TTT does not mean I condone it or endorse it. TTT is a collection of historical documents that have been written about the group--regardless of what the authors bent/bias is. I'm just the reporter/recorder. If you had read the foreward where this article is located you would find the following information. The article NB takes issue with is located in the Basic Researchers Guide section of TTT, which is located at home.earthlink.net/%7Etruth444/index-BRG.html. The very first thing on the first page of the BRG is this statement: The BASIC RESEARCHER'S GUIDE is a list of all known available material written by outsiders about the 2x2 sect, as well as historical documents written by insiders. The list and material is presented without prejudice for the readers' examination and evaluation, with no regard given to the orientation of the information; i.e. negative or positive. The Basic Researcher's Guide is a historical data base of the 2x2 sect, created to aid those who want to research this group. It is a researcher's tool. Inclusion of material in The Basic Researcher's Guide is based solely on the subject matter, with the criteria being that information (1) must be published or circulated and (2) must relate to The Church Without a Name, its history, founder and/or congregation. The TTT Editor makes no representations concerning the accuracy of the information presented in the references listed. CERTIFICATION: Telling The Truth certifies that its compiler has visually examined a copy of each and every item listed in this Basic Researcher's Guide, and holds a hard copy in its files to substantiate each item listed herein. Well, Cherie I just want to let you know there are many errors scripturually and historical document facts on Paul's understanding, belief on going out 2x2 article. I will point the mistakes on his thinking and understanding on my website. There are some good things on his article.
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Post by ok whatever on Aug 28, 2007 11:00:44 GMT -5
ok, whatever, nathan. nobody really cares what you write anyway
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Post by Opinion on Aug 28, 2007 11:07:20 GMT -5
NB: You're attacking a straw man, Nate. Bcs something is on TTT does not mean I condone it or endorse it. TTT is a collection of historical documents that have been written about the group--regardless of what the authors bent/bias is. I'm just the reporter/recorder. If you had read the foreward where this article is located you would find the following information. The article NB takes issue with is located in the Basic Researchers Guide section of TTT, which is located at home.earthlink.net/%7Etruth444/index-BRG.html. The very first thing on the first page of the BRG is this statement: The BASIC RESEARCHER'S GUIDE is a list of all known available material written by outsiders about the 2x2 sect, as well as historical documents written by insiders. The list and material is presented without prejudice for the readers' examination and evaluation, with no regard given to the orientation of the information; i.e. negative or positive. The Basic Researcher's Guide is a historical data base of the 2x2 sect, created to aid those who want to research this group. It is a researcher's tool. Inclusion of material in The Basic Researcher's Guide is based solely on the subject matter, with the criteria being that information (1) must be published or circulated and (2) must relate to The Church Without a Name, its history, founder and/or congregation. The TTT Editor makes no representations concerning the accuracy of the information presented in the references listed. CERTIFICATION: Telling The Truth certifies that its compiler has visually examined a copy of each and every item listed in this Basic Researcher's Guide, and holds a hard copy in its files to substantiate each item listed herein. Well, Cherie I just want to let you know there are many errors scripturually and historical document facts on Paul's understanding, belief on going out 2x2 article. I will point the mistakes on his thinking and understanding on my website. There are some good things on his article. Nate, I believe that Cherie is saying that she is does not edit it, but somehow that is in conflict from the fact that she does edit her website. The bottom line is that we all have a pre-judice viewpoint, and we all know what Cheries agenda is....that is to focus on the human side of the truth.
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Post by Nathan9 to on Aug 28, 2007 11:21:38 GMT -5
Well, Cherie I just want to let you know there are many errors scripturually and historical document facts on Paul's understanding, belief on going out 2x2 article. I will point the mistakes on his thinking and understanding on my website. There are some good things on his article. Nate, I believe that Cherie is saying that she is does not edit it, but somehow that is in conflict from the fact that she does edit her website. The bottom line is that we all have a pre-judice viewpoint, and we all know what Cheries agenda is....that is to focus on the human side of the truth. Yes, I know a little of Cherie's agenda I have been reading her website closedly 10 yrs now. Her website rules the Internet but now we have too many information and the people are searching these things out for themselves these days and they will KNOW the Truth.
The workers, friends, the exes, non-2x2 are much smarter these days because the Internet information age.... We know and understand about the 2x2 history, belief, teachings now than 10 yrs ago. Thanks, to Cherie... But there is MORE to it. DON'T stop at William Irvine! He is just a little pawn in God's plans.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 28, 2007 11:40:27 GMT -5
FYI, another website will be coming on board before long, administered by an ex 2x2 that I have been friends with since the early 1990s.
It will contain the Old VOT; and the Worker Quotes transferred from TLT. And will concentrate on adding current worker & VOT quotes. Plus exit letter and exodus stories (Why we Left). Plus other goodies and photos.
FYI: VOT stands for Veterans of Truth (exies)
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Post by Nathan9 to Cherie on Aug 28, 2007 12:02:13 GMT -5
FYI, another website will be coming on board before long, administered by an ex 2x2 that I have been friends with since the early 1990s. It will contain the Old VOT; and the Worker Quotes transferred from TLT. And will concentrate on adding current worker & VOT quotes. Plus exit letter and exodus stories (Why we Left). Plus other goodies and photos. FYI: VOT stands for Veterans of Truth (exies) The workers quotes can be taken out of context... if you can it will be much better when you post the whole sermons and let the readers draw their own conclusion.
We have discussed about workers quotes in the past on this message board... quotes can be taken out of context from the authors intention just a few of his/her sentences. Just my opinion.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 28, 2007 13:12:09 GMT -5
Yes anything CAN be taken out of context; but are they?
The entire notes for each quote will be held in the file of the website administrator; and if anyone wants to read them, it could be arranged.
Many of the exiting quotes have reference nos. on them, but neither TLT or myself has ever been asked for a single one of them to support the quote. Isn't that interesting?? The new website isn't my website, Nate. The Admin. can do whatever/however she wishes. But I doubt she wants to be bothered with scanning/typing out entire workers sermon which does not appy to the subject quote.
Why don't you start a worker quote section and take every one of the new current quotes on the new website and print "the rest of the story" or sermon? Sounds like a good job for you, Nate, since you are so concerned about it.
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