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Post by _ on Aug 28, 2007 13:14:13 GMT -5
Can nathan provide a worker quote that has been taken out of context?
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Post by Nathan9 to Cherie on Aug 28, 2007 16:01:55 GMT -5
Yes anything CAN be taken out of context; but are they? The entire notes for each quote will be held in the file of the website administrator; and if anyone wants to read them, it could be arranged. Many of the exiting quotes have reference nos. on them, but neither TLT or myself has ever been asked for a single one of them to support the quote. Isn't that interesting?? The new website isn't my website, Nate. The Admin. can do whatever/however she wishes. But I doubt she wants to be bothered with scanning/typing out entire workers sermon which does not appy to the subject quote. Why don't you start a worker quote section and take every one of the new current quotes on the new website and print "the rest of the story" or sermon? Sounds like a good job for you, Nate, since you are so concerned about it. I will wait and see who is the administrator of this NEW ex-2x2 website. We know how these one or two sentences quotes work! NOT very reliable.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 28, 2007 16:18:17 GMT -5
So you're saying the "Gem" notes passed around by many of the friends and workers are not reliable? Most of them are 1-2 sentences.
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what nathan is saying
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Post by what nathan is saying on Aug 28, 2007 16:23:28 GMT -5
what nathan is saying is that the words spoken by workers are not very reliable.
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Post by Nathan9 to on Aug 28, 2007 18:38:31 GMT -5
So you're saying the "Gem" notes passed around by many of the friends and workers are not reliable? Most of them are 1-2 sentences. Yes, I read them but I don't disect of what he/she meant or make a moutain or trying to find fault out of it by trying to say this is what they mean without knowing the whole context.
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Post by OzE on Aug 28, 2007 19:31:30 GMT -5
Nathan, words mean something and generally a lot can be construed from one or two sentences.
What seems to be the problem is that the only way people can guage workers doctrines and teaching is by what they say because there is no other medium used. If tapes and videos were made this wouldn't be a problem anymore. Like many other Christian teachers their whole sermon is available word for word to any who want it.
When someone says that the ministry and the church in the home is the blood of Jesus as one worker did however you look at it the statement is false. In this quote he was EXPLAINING!
My hope of salvation is the blood of Christ. But I would like to explain to you what it means. The blood of Christ is the ministry and the church in the home. Without the New Testament ministry you don't have the blood of Christ which includes the church in the home. The forgiveness of sins is a fringe benefit.
If he meant that people in the fellowship are covered by the blood of Jesus why not say it that way?
You know from many years of discussions here that the F&W's are full of diverse and opposing doctrines and no clear statement of faith is available. That's why there is such a huge problem trying to find out what the group really believes. There are NO consistant beliefs which points very strongly to a church in chaos with no Biblical direction. Smorgasboard preaching is a serious issue among the F&W's and what they really need is a speaker like GiT. He'd straighten them out! I'm sure with his deeper Biblical understanding he too would be appalled at this statement. Any true believer would be!
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Post by to N9 on Aug 29, 2007 1:22:46 GMT -5
NB: I wrote the Editors Note---PERIOD. The rest is a reprint. I haven't read it in ages, and don't intend to. I don't know if I agree or not. Why do you ask? Paul's article makes your website looks bad because you are promoting his false and incorrect understanding of the scriptures going out 2x2 writing.
You should read and understand what you allow posting on your website, Cherie because if you don't then those who understand the scriptures know you are promoting a false teaching in your website with your approval.
I believe you agree with Paul's understanding in his writing of this article or you would NOT post it on your website.
Read Paul's article again then you will see many errors in his understanding. Stick with your 2x2 church history.
Different ones on here have posted this article and believe as the gospelTruth in the past! and they give your website the credit... Once people show the errors in Paul's article then you as the owner will get the blunt of the deal because it came from your site. Then your will loose credibility for allowing these false teachings on your site.I read the article and I found it is very accurate. I would endorse it/ what part do you not agree with Nathan?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 3:25:38 GMT -5
quote - "Can nathan provide a worker quote that has been taken out of context?"
I can. Workers often say, "The Truth is from the beginning."
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Post by omg on Aug 29, 2007 7:45:49 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised to be reading nathan, who doesn't have a whit of understanding about 2x2 church history, chiding someone else for the same thing.
Sad.
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