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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2006 9:16:43 GMT -5
We were brought up to treat them as the cream of the earth
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Post by y me on Feb 3, 2006 9:44:57 GMT -5
We were brought up to treat them as the cream of the earth The cream rises to the top, yes, if the evidence is there that they did overcome the 'milky' flesh, and rise above it, who am I ...not to treat them as such, and glean those things they so used in achieving this victory.
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Post by mrtindrucvionging on Jun 5, 2006 22:17:20 GMT -5
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Post by Jessi on Jun 5, 2006 23:52:34 GMT -5
Acts 10:34 - Then Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons . . .
A preacher is to equip the saints for ministry, not be equipped by the saints - Eph 4:11 (the work of ministry here in the 12th vs is not referring to PREACHING, but MINISTRY of the saints, the "edifying of the body of Christ." They are supposed to be teaching the saints how to use their gifts, or helping them to find out what their gifts are so they can use them to glorify God.
The cream rises to the top? The Bible says: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord (I Cor 10:17).
" . . . overcome the 'milky' flesh?" The Bible says that as long as we are in our bodies we will NEVER rise above sin and flesh (Rom 7 - I like reading the whole chapter after God punishes me for thinking I have overcome and NOT GIVING HIM ALL THE GLORY).
Our ultimate victory is not here on this earth, but in heaven. Earth is not our home - Phiip 3:20.
Hallelujah!!! Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God almighty!!!
Christ is Lord over all, Jessi
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Post by ligonier on Jun 6, 2006 0:30:52 GMT -5
"Under Mr. Dick's leadership as executive vice president for the past four years, the organization was restructured and the ministry's financial position improved significantly. Also during that time, Mr. Dick has overseen the expansion of the ministry, which includes the recent acquisition of Soli Deo Gloria Ministries and a new product development cycle that will further underscore its commitment to serve the local church with excellent Christian educational resources."
Run as a business - moneymaking seems important. God left out?
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Post by bowhunter on Jun 10, 2006 19:43:48 GMT -5
In the area I grew up in it was common to lift up workers that were popular(Leslie White,Wm. Lewis,Dan Sherrick,etc)But if a worker ticked someone off it was only a superficial pedestal and patience was required until a new set of workers came to town.Inspite of a few disgruntled folks,the field was faithful in kissing up to keep "peace" In the area I spent the last 20 years,workers were definitely worshipped.Didn't matter if they were inept or ridiculous in their teaching or actions-they were held in high esteem!Heaven help you if you opposed or challenged them in any way. It is still the same here in SW Iowa-workers are to be served-not to be servants.
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Post by firstborn on Jun 10, 2006 20:40:19 GMT -5
In the area I grew up in it was common to lift up workers that were popular(Leslie White,Wm. Lewis,Dan Sherrick,etc)But if a worker ticked someone off it was only a superficial pedestal and patience was required until a new set of workers came to town.Inspite of a few disgruntled folks,the field was faithful in kissing up to keep "peace" In the area I spent the last 20 years,workers were definitely worshipped.Didn't matter if they were inept or ridiculous in their teaching or actions-they were held in high esteem!Heaven help you if you opposed or challenged them in any way. It is still the same here in SW Iowa-workers are to be served-not to be servants. Got popped in the back of the head in a meeting in Malcolm convention one year as a kid because I laughed out loud when Dan Sherrick was preaching. U see he used to make these faces when he was preaching , probably a little nerves, anyway as a kid I thought it was funny and paid for it.
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Post by bowhunter on Jun 11, 2006 22:32:44 GMT -5
In the area I grew up in it was common to lift up workers that were popular(Leslie White,Wm. Lewis,Dan Sherrick,etc)But if a worker ticked someone off it was only a superficial pedestal and patience was required until a new set of workers came to town.Inspite of a few disgruntled folks,the field was faithful in kissing up to keep "peace" In the area I spent the last 20 years,workers were definitely worshipped.Didn't matter if they were inept or ridiculous in their teaching or actions-they were held in high esteem!Heaven help you if you opposed or challenged them in any way. It is still the same here in SW Iowa-workers are to be served-not to be servants. Got popped in the back of the head in a meeting in Malcolm convention one year as a kid because I laughed out loud when Dan Sherrick was preaching. U see he used to make these faces when he was preaching , probably a little nerves, anyway as a kid I thought it was funny and paid for it. I had forgotten his expressions-he was rather amusing!We used to snicker at the mannerisms of a couple older men from W'loo area that were hilarious-do you remember that?
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Post by lovedoes on Nov 21, 2006 13:46:35 GMT -5
I do not think that workers wish to be worshipped.
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Post by lizzy on Nov 21, 2006 22:21:11 GMT -5
Workers are to be respected and not worshipped. What bugs me is to see homes with their pictures all over the place. It's just like a little shrine. Maybe I am a product of my upbringing but we didn't post worker pictures around the house. Where we go for Wed. nite mtg is like a little worker museum. There are pictures all over the room of the workers and no other pictures. I refuse to fall into that trap. Would Jesus have wanted his picture posted in the rooms of those on which he performed miracles? I think not! Yet, we want to put up the pictures of those we love, so there just needs to be balance. That is the key!
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Nov 21, 2006 23:10:18 GMT -5
The home we use to meet in was a lot like that. I can understand a photo or two- my parents had a couple and so did my husband and I at one point... because they are close friends or whatever, but... several ALBUMS FULL? Yowza.
Some of the people in this field (which, being a small field means.. HALF of the people in this field) put too much on the workers. One of the workers in our area was a cruel, mean woman, completely focused on the wrong things. Some people realize this, but others held her so high. I was told, after having a little upset with this worker, that I should listen to what she said because she's God's servant and knows what she's talking about.
What? Listen to someone who tells me that a woman who looks "professing" on the outside but lies, cheats, and steals is "upholding the standard of truth" and is "a good example of Jesus Christ," and takes a look at me and calls me "worldly" and "ungodly" because I have on pink toe nail polish?
Riiiight.
I think not.
[Hmm, I think I still have a little grudge..... I could definitely use some prayer.]
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Post by Jackie on Nov 21, 2006 23:19:28 GMT -5
What? Listen to someone who tells me that a woman who looks "professing" on the outside but lies, cheats, and steals is "upholding the standard of truth" and is "a good example of Jesus Christ," and takes a look at me and calls me "worldly" and "ungodly" because I have on pink toe nail polish? Riiiight. I think not. [Hmm, I think I still have a little grudge..... I could definitely use some prayer.] *gasp* NOT the dreaded, evil, pink toe nail polish!! When my sister went on a vacation to visit a friend, the workers for that area were staying in the same house while she was there. One of the workers took exception to the length of her nails and actually crept into the room my sister was sleeping in and clipped her nails off while my sister was sleeping. Of course my sister woke up while she was doing this and flipped right out. I'm thankful that the workers I've come to know personally are not like that. I would have a very hard time trusting them if they treated me badly. I have a photo of my favorite workers in a frame in my living room. Their photo is right in with other photos I have of my family and friends. I don't have their picture up because I worship them, I have their picture up because I love them!
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Post by lizzy on Nov 22, 2006 0:51:02 GMT -5
Jackie, That is the sickest thing I have heard of! Someone actually came in and clipped your sister's nails while she was asleep? Sounds like a mental case if I ever heard one. The whole thing gives me the creeps.
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Post by Jackie on Nov 22, 2006 0:54:24 GMT -5
Jackie, That is the sickest thing I have heard of! Someone actually came in and clipped your sister's nails while she was asleep? Sounds like a mental case if I ever heard one. The whole thing gives me the creeps. Yup, it creeped me out too. That is probably an 'extreme'. I really dont' think there are too many workers like that. I've personally never met any worker who was like that but for a while, it really made my sister keep her distance from ALL workers.
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Post by Brick on Nov 22, 2006 8:21:26 GMT -5
Here I go again.
It is a huge struggle for many workers to maintain their humility when so many people go to them for advice/direction on the most trivial things. That is normal. When we are flattered, fluffed up, our pride grows. When we are told time after time that our poop doesn't stink, soon we wonder why you aren't using it as a veggie dip. And may start insisting that you do. After all, when you asked about making MAJOR decisions like career choices, what college to attend, where to buy our home--I could go on and on but you have seen in the threads on here the silly things that people go to the workers for. There is inside each of us the desire to be exalted. Fortunately, it is not an issue for most of us, but with the treatment some workers receive, it can be a struggle. Not everyone is victorious in that struggle. We know them well. You seldom hear about the others on here, though. Those quietly ministering and helping others, fitting in, uplifting the weary hands and sad hearts. They are no fun to talk about. We need scandals and inappropriate behaviors to discuss, pick apart.
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Post by Jackie on Nov 22, 2006 8:31:47 GMT -5
Here I go again. It is a huge struggle for many workers to maintain their humility when so many people go to them for advice/direction on the most trivial things. That is normal. When we are flattered, fluffed up, our pride grows. When we are told time after time that our poop doesn't stink, soon we wonder why you aren't using it as a veggie dip. And may start insisting that you do. After all, when you asked about making MAJOR decisions like career choices, what college to attend, where to buy our home--I could go on and on but you have seen in the threads on here the silly things that people go to the workers for. There is inside each of us the desire to be exalted. Fortunately, it is not an issue for most of us, but with the treatment some workers receive, it can be a struggle. Not everyone is victorious in that struggle. We know them well. You seldom hear about the others on here, though. Those quietly ministering and helping others, fitting in, uplifting the weary hands and sad hearts. They are no fun to talk about. We need scandals and inappropriate behaviors to discuss, pick apart. You're right. I could have gone my whole life without reading the poop-veggie dip analogy, but you're right.
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Post by aero on Nov 22, 2006 10:04:59 GMT -5
i find the poop-veggie dip analogy to be one the funniest things i have heard in a looonng time!
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Post by aero on Nov 22, 2006 10:21:20 GMT -5
I think the relationship some people cultivate with workers inevitably leads to worship in some way or form. For example, last sunday in mtg, at least half of the people regurgitated what the workers said at g-mtg. (grr... personal pet peeve of my mine...) roughly 3/4 of the people in mtg always express thankfulness for what the workers do, their understanding, what they've sacrificed, etc. etc. Now i'm not saying this is a bad thing at all, I'm just saying that if this is your basis of your 'relationship' with the workers, you will worship them, and they will expect it. (see poop-veggie dip analogy above) Now in contrast, when i was growing up I went camping with one of the brother(obviously.. ) workers for a couple of days. It was great! it was just like camping with one of my buddies (well, maybe not EXACTLY.. ) the point is, I got to know the man, and I repsected and appreciated the worker a lot more, without fearing/worshiping him. As the angel told John about worshipping him, "Don't do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the phophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!" (Rev 22:9 NIV) amen.
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Post by guest 99 on Nov 22, 2006 10:21:23 GMT -5
When we are told time after time that our poop doesn't stink, soon we wonder why you aren't using it as a veggie dip. That is so gross that it almost made me gag. Is that a farmer analogy or something? Yuck!
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Post by Brick on Nov 22, 2006 11:06:00 GMT -5
Sorry. Sorry. I knew that I should have stayed away from this thread.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 16, 2007 23:16:54 GMT -5
Howdy Brick, Was just wondering if you had any more good recipes you'd like to share with us ...... Scott
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