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Post by ottom on Jan 27, 2006 12:57:19 GMT -5
It really puts a cloud all over my day when I read a post like Ottomodon's. I was going to tear right back at him, but I'm glad I didn't. Greg showed great restraint. Otto, we're all seeking God here. We all want to be "counted in ". The whole purpose of this sight, as I see it, is for discussion about the fallacy of the exclusionary ways of the workers and friends. If you believe that the friends and workers are the only ones saved, and the rest who disagree are going to a lost eternity let me suggest that you join the new board for like minded people, Standing True. They would welcome you there with open arms. You would probably not get so upset. Understand one thing Otto. Most people here are against believing the Living Witness Doctrine as put forth by the workers not long after they formed. So if that makes you angry from the get go, just go. I don't like the tone you took with Greg at all. Maybe others think it's OK, but to me it's just vulgar. You're probably a nice fellow. Your momma probably loves you, and I'll bet I could love you too. But ease up a bit , we're all buddies here. And we all love Jesus! ;D One thing you will know......I do StIck up for the .....homeless, misunderstood, the meek, and will NOT pity those backstaBBERS that hide anbd post antitruth BEHIND the workers back....and yet SMILe as though they are some hypocritical selfrighteous SAINT. If you have a problem with truth, ..go after your own putrifying theories, and leave God's people ALOne.. Get a LIFE, and live in your own peace, and let others live in theirs.
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Post by ottom the whimp on Jan 27, 2006 13:03:35 GMT -5
........................BACKSTABBING hypocrites ..................... Well, we know what kind of a hypocrite you are, Ottomodon. No backstabbing for you, you go for the face, straight for the juggular. You were so vicious and rabid it was hard to tell who on earth you were tearing to shreds, just that something annoyed the heck out of you and you went off, flailing and stabbing and spewing invective like a regular miffed 2x2. Yikes!!! It's sad but somewhat amusing. Yes I find it amusing that you take such offence, as I am a virtual whimp, for sure... should I say I'm sorry, I don't believe a really offended anyone, but maybe humored them to look at things from the way they judge others, which to me is very HYPOCRITically, but THAT wouldn't mean I was talkin about you, would it??
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Post by Zorro on Jan 27, 2006 13:29:55 GMT -5
The only thing I want to say about this tirade going on here is that IS interesting that it's taking place in a thread entitled "Worker worship".
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Post by spiderman on Jan 27, 2006 13:32:21 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying Mr. Ottomodon. There is a website designed for someone just like you. Standing True. Go check it out.
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Post by HRL on Jan 27, 2006 13:34:40 GMT -5
We ALL just need to focus on the LOVE. That's it. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE...LOVE. That's what it's all about. love, HRL
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Post by ottomodon on Jan 27, 2006 13:54:15 GMT -5
We ALL just need to focus on the LOVE. That's it. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE...LOVE. That's what it's all about. love, HRL love, yes it is, BUT what is it.... In Isaiah God spoke of seeing the ..travail , the scourging, the stripes, that were mete to His Son, and God said it pleased Him to see this.....HE SAW THE compaSSION of HIS own SON, dying for the sincursed world, and taking the 'guilt' of ALL, [can i or u fathom what this guilt '''''FELT LIKE''''']... the sins of the world. And it was through His stripes we are healed, CAN we really understand this scripture FULLY.... It is so very MAJESTIC that when we see the LOVE and compassion, it puts our pitiful efforts of lovin one another to a pitance........
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Post by some leave on Jan 27, 2006 14:01:36 GMT -5
Here is the way BACKSTABBING hypocrites operate in this world, they pretend they are everyones friend, and yet their conscience is seared with a HOT iron, so that they don't feel the priing of a GOOD conscience, but trample on the efforts of those that GIVE their lives so that OTHERS can LIVE, and lift their own pitiful lives into their enjoyment of MOCKING the God of the Universe. It reminds me of a 'cutting song' that was somewhat popular in the mid 1970s.. 'they smile to your face, all the time they want to TAKE their place.....''the BACKstabbers''... Well Otto, Just like the workers who change the Gospel of Jesus to flatter themselves, you have changed the words to the song you mentioned. 'they smile to your face, all the time they want to TAKE your place. ya but they really don't want my place do they...or did you mean your place..... There may be some that flatter themselves, and as we know they are the ones that eventually leave when God sees fit to do so...
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Post by HRL on Jan 27, 2006 14:04:53 GMT -5
We ALL just need to focus on the LOVE. That's it. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE...LOVE. That's what it's all about. love, HRL love, yes it is, BUT what is it.... In Isaiah God spoke of seeing the ..travail , the scourging, the stripes, that were mete to His Son, and God said it pleased Him to see this.....HE SAW THE compaSSION of HIS own SON, dying for the sincursed world, and taking the 'guilt' of ALL, [can i or u fathom what this guilt '''''FELT LIKE''''']... the sins of the world. And it was through His stripes we are healed, CAN we really understand this scripture FULLY.... It is so very MAJESTIC that when we see the LOVE and compassion, it puts our pitiful efforts of lovin one another to a pitance........ Well, I believe that there is NO GREATER LOVE, than God's love. And that covers a lot.
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Post by HRL on Jan 27, 2006 14:07:09 GMT -5
Actually, God's love covers anything and everything we could possibly imagine.
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Post by dont go there on Jan 27, 2006 14:11:53 GMT -5
Actually, God's love covers anything and everything we could possibly imagine. I think you are tempting God, with outlandish statements like that, please, please DO NOT even think of going THERE with this nunsense......
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Post by curious on Jan 27, 2006 14:52:05 GMT -5
"In Isaiah God spoke of seeing the ..travail , the scourging, the stripes, that were mete to His Son, and God said it pleased Him to see this.....HE SAW THE compaSSION of HIS own SON, dying for the sincursed world, and taking the 'guilt' of ALL, [can i or u fathom what this guilt '''''FELT LIKE''''']... the sins of the world. And it was through His stripes we are healed, CAN we really understand this scripture FULLY.... It is so very MAJESTIC that when we see the LOVE and compassion, it puts our pitiful efforts of lovin one another to a pitance......"
Could you please post the reference to this-thanks.
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Post by MM on Jan 27, 2006 15:08:56 GMT -5
It is many years since I attended a meeting associated with the friends. I did so for many years, ie attended meetings.
I can honestly say that workers were not shown any more than love and respect in our parts. They were not a substitute for Jesus. Jesus was the focus and the workers played their part as the ones that held the group together.
I believe that workers are shown no more respect and are not any more revered (if that is the word) than Catholic Priests, Ministers or religion or people like Billy Graham.
If you believe in the religious path you take, you must have respect, love and (if you must say) obedience to your religious leaders. Their "job" is to hold the flock together for the glory of Jesus and God.
Fault is easy to find. It is easy to focus on the negative.
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Post by Simple on Jan 27, 2006 15:15:35 GMT -5
It is many years since I attended a meeting associated with the friends. I did so for many years, ie attended meetings. I can honestly say that workers were not shown any more than love and respect in our parts. They were not a substitute for Jesus. Jesus was the focus and the workers played their part as the ones that held the group together. I believe that workers are shown no more respect and are not any more revered (if that is the word) than Catholic Priests, Ministers or religion or people like Billy Graham. If you believe in the religious path you take, you must have respect, love and (if you must say) obedience to your religious leaders. Their "job" is to hold the flock together for the glory of Jesus and God. Fault is easy to find. It is easy to focus on the negative. So, they are justified? Using fear to hold a flock together makes for a fearful faithless flock. (FFF) Let us all experience the joy and mercy of God first hand. NO imposters that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 15:16:20 GMT -5
"Homeless." When I was in that work I was never "homeless." Not once. True, I didn't own a home, nor always have a rented apt. (where do some of you think workers live when they "batch?") Surely the longer workers are in that work, the less they can make such a claim!
However, I certainly almost was though when I left that work with a broken back, having neither work, food, nor any place whatsoever to lay my head. Slept in a borrowed pickup when I could not afford even a rented place to sleep, hauled people's garbage to the dump to be able to afford any food for several weeks. That is as close to homeless as I ever got, and it wasn't while I was in that WORK!
Further, very few (if any) "workers" are truly "homeless." The very reference to them as such is deceptive and disgraceful to imply! Transient, yes; homeless, no!
Sincerely,
Dennis Jacobsen
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Post by Maggie on Jan 27, 2006 15:24:38 GMT -5
.......... .....................as I am a virtual whimp, for sure.......... Cute!! I'm glad to see you also have a sense of humor. But no, your online persona is more like an angry little puppy, strutting and kicking the dirt. Or a cat......leaving a few claw marks.....but now are you backing up and saying "Hey, just kidding"?? Yeah, right! You shout (caps) and spew contempt and derision. Not cute.
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Post by MM on Jan 27, 2006 15:51:17 GMT -5
Simple,
Do I believe that they are justified? Justified for what?
I believe that "fear" often brings out the best in people, "fear" hold people together.
"Fear" can mean respect.
The problem we all have is to ensure that when we "fear" that we are not alone.
We need to have friends and acquaintances to share that "fear" with.
I am apprehensive about the future, death etc. So some would say I am "fearful".
For some, the Workers provide the link to be able to control that apprehension.
If some go too far and "Worship" the worker they have the problem not you or I.
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Post by Guest on Jan 27, 2006 16:30:31 GMT -5
MM you fail to realise that it is a cult. Many can't sort out the truth because they have been told things that are untrue.
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Post by ottomodon on Jan 27, 2006 16:42:36 GMT -5
[ When I was in that work I was never "homeless." Not once. True, I didn't own a home, nor always have a rented apt. (where do some of you think workers live when they "batch?") Surely the longer workers are in that work, the less they can make such a claim! Dennis Jacobsen] Do you want sympathy, when you have NONE to offer God's servants, Surely you are as dumb as you look, as the bible clearly states, that those that give up their homes for the gospels sake will indeed have an hundred fold, in this life-time, etc... So your rants continue.....do you currently send your rants to the ones you wish to correct, or do you pick on on mindless souls that take your word as believable, even when your wounds are not healed. Take a break, lick your wounds, and pray they'll soon be healed, and the world will look so much BETTER, for you and those you continue to gripe and cry to.
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Post by ilylo on Jan 27, 2006 16:49:09 GMT -5
Surely you are as dumb as you look This type of behavior is totally unwarranted. I detect nothing Christ-like in your attitude. However, having read several of your posts now, I sense that this is about as kind as you get. as the bible clearly states, that those that give up their homes for the gospels sake will indeed have an hundred fold, in this life-time, etc... Your faith appears to be placed on the method and not the message. Most of us here prefer the message. Why don't you? Take a break, lick your wounds, and pray they'll soon be healed, and the world will look so much BETTER, for you and those you continue to gripe and cry to. This is good advice, and you should take it.
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Post by ottomodon on Jan 27, 2006 16:59:33 GMT -5
Surely you are as dumb as you look This type of behavior is totally unwarranted. I detect nothing Christ-like in your attitude. However, having read several of your posts now, I sense that this is about as kind as you get. Your faith appears to be placed on the method and not the message. Most of us here prefer the message. Why don't you? Take a break, lick your wounds, and pray they'll soon be healed, and the world will look so much BETTER, for you and those you continue to gripe and cry to. This is good advice, and you should take it. Well, exxxcccuse ME, I might leave , but then who would I leave the '''money/doctrine''' exchangers to? Don't you see the writing on the wall, ?? Are you that blind??? You are infact the very hypocrites sitting in the temple courtyards, doing all you can to exchange your doctrine/beliefs... to others that are stupid enough to NOT know the value of truth.... Ply your trade all you wish, your day of reckoning will soon be upon you..... There is little hope for those that go AGAINST God's plan and way....and I will not wish you speed in your effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 17:16:16 GMT -5
Mr Otto, Regarding, QUOTE:There is little hope for those that go AGAINST God's plan and way....and I will not wish you speed in your effort. Is it right to understand then, that by this statement you believe the group you fellowship with who accept 2&2 worker's preaching, concepts and methodology are then in fact, "God's plan and way?" And that you have the right to determine who there is hope for and who there is not?
If this is not what you are saying, then what DO you mean by this statement? I believe in GOD's Plan and Way, He is Jesus, a being, and the one by whom all who believe in Him as their kinsman redeemer receive the immutable promise of eternal life. Do you not believe this too?(And John Chivers just accused me of being judgemental!)
Curious to what you do believe,
Dennis
(Dumb as I look? Wow! You must believe you really do have almighty powers!!!)[/b][/size][/font][/color]
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jan 27, 2006 17:16:44 GMT -5
Well, exxxcccuse ME, I might leave , but then who would I leave the '''money/doctrine''' exchangers to? Don't you see the writing on the wall, ?? Are you that blind??? You are infact the very hypocrites sitting in the temple courtyards, doing all you can to exchange your doctrine/beliefs... to others that are stupid enough to NOT know the value of truth.... Ply your trade all you wish, your day of reckoning will soon be upon you..... There is little hope for those that go AGAINST God's plan and way....and I will not wish you speed in your effort. Why are you so angry? And you are vicious. That must come from a hurt. Who has hurt you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2006 17:20:08 GMT -5
Greg, perhaps it is being exposed to what is really true that hurts...?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jan 27, 2006 17:24:01 GMT -5
Greg, perhaps it is being exposed to what is really true that hurts...? Perhaps so, Dennis. BTW, good to read yours and see our thoughts in comparison.
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Post by to Dennis on Jan 27, 2006 18:37:04 GMT -5
Dennis (Dumb as I look? Wow! This quip came from no less than yourself, a few months ago, I just paraphrazed it....Shall I repost it for your enjoyment? ?
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Post by ottomodon on Jan 27, 2006 18:44:39 GMT -5
Well, exxxcccuse ME, I might leave , but then who would I leave the '''money/doctrine''' exchangers to? Don't you see the writing on the wall, ?? Are you that blind??? You are infact the very hypocrites sitting in the temple courtyards, doing all you can to exchange your doctrine/beliefs... to others that are stupid enough to NOT know the value of truth.... Ply your trade all you wish, your day of reckoning will soon be upon you..... There is little hope for those that go AGAINST God's plan and way....and I will not wish you speed in your effort. Why are you so angry? And you are vicious. That must come from a hurt. Who has hurt you? me....hurt.....ahhh ....i learnted to shrug off those misunderstandings years ago. Do I sound vicious?, hey, I promise I don't bite , just ask HRL, she can tell you all u want to know.
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Post by HRL on Jan 27, 2006 19:03:15 GMT -5
Why are you so angry? And you are vicious. That must come from a hurt. Who has hurt you? me....hurt.....ahhh ....i learnted to shrug off those misunderstandings years ago. Do I sound vicious?, hey, I promise I don't bite , just ask HRL, she can tell you all u want to know. Oh YES, yes yes yes yes yes, I can literally just HURL all the facts straight to you!
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Post by HRL to Otto on Jan 27, 2006 19:05:33 GMT -5
me....hurt.....ahhh ....i learnted to shrug off those misunderstandings years ago. Do I sound vicious?, hey, I promise I don't bite , just ask HRL, she can tell you all u want to know.
Umm:::how many years, EXACTLY, was it now? PLEASE refresh my memory. Because MRS. T may have GIVEN ME the alzheimers.
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