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Post by fixit on Mar 23, 2024 13:14:53 GMT -5
Will Trump pardon them along with the Jan 6 insurrectionists?
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Post by fixit on Mar 23, 2024 13:45:56 GMT -5
Anyone with more than a 10 second attention span would have followed the context and realized Trump's 'bloodbath' comment was a reference to the zero tax on imported automobiles that Biden supports. Currently, the USA charges 2.5% on imports while China charges 25%. China is the largest exporter of cars in the world now, recently overtaking Japan. That's the economic bloodbath Trump was referring to.
Tarrifs are a tax on American consumers and are imposed for political reasons, not because they make economic sense. edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/politics/donald-trump-tariffs-trade-war/index.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 13:54:04 GMT -5
Will Trump pardon them along with the Jan 6 insurrectionists? Hope not. I'd be opposed to it. I hope he does pardon some of the rioters that were waved in though. A couple I'd say 'no' to, like the guy with the zip ties and anyone who was in the Capitol who was actually armed (if there were any. I'm not sure). But other than that, yes, I'd be OK with Jan 6th pardons. They've all served time by now anyway. I don't care all that much either way to be honest, so I wouldn't really care if he didn't either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 13:59:05 GMT -5
Anyone with more than a 10 second attention span would have followed the context and realized Trump's 'bloodbath' comment was a reference to the zero tax on imported automobiles that Biden supports. Currently, the USA charges 2.5% on imports while China charges 25%. China is the largest exporter of cars in the world now, recently overtaking Japan. That's the economic bloodbath Trump was referring to.
I have listened to it several times and stand by what I posted. It would take someone with some serious cognitive disability and a penchant for mental gymnastics to believe otherwise. ps. have you sent your donation to your heroes bond fund? I think you inadvertently proved Dan's point. Even CNN, daft though they be, reported it accurately. www.cnn.com/2024/03/16/politics/trump-bloodbath-auto-industry-election/index.html
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2024 14:14:56 GMT -5
Anyone with more than a 10 second attention span would have followed the context and realized Trump's 'bloodbath' comment was a reference to the zero tax on imported automobiles that Biden supports. Currently, the USA charges 2.5% on imports while China charges 25%. China is the largest exporter of cars in the world now, recently overtaking Japan. That's the economic bloodbath Trump was referring to.
Tarrifs are a tax on American consumers and are imposed for political reasons, not because they make economic sense. edition.cnn.com/2024/03/18/politics/donald-trump-tariffs-trade-war/index.htmlTariffs make home country products expensive, builds bloated industries and stifle innovation and investment. NZ sells hundreds of millions of dollars of milk powder and baby formula to China so Chinese women can park the baby somewhere, go to work and make rubbish clothes for NZ. Here's an example of bloatification. During the Reagan administration, Reagan put a tarriff on imported motorcycles such as those from Japan after Hardly Dangerous and other USA motorcycle manufacturers complained that the Japanese were undercutting them. The Japanese promptly built factories in the USA and there motorbikes were now American. The tariff did not help HD overcome poor build quality and lack of innovation. The tariff protected the very things that were causing HD to fail at the time. Today, HD is a profitable company BUT only because of their finance and accessory sales. The motorcycle itself still has problems.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2024 14:21:03 GMT -5
I have listened to it several times and stand by what I posted. It would take someone with some serious cognitive disability and a penchant for mental gymnastics to believe otherwise. ps. have you sent your donation to your heroes bond fund? I think you inadvertently proved Dan's point. Even CNN, daft though they be, reported it accurately. www.cnn.com/2024/03/16/politics/trump-bloodbath-auto-industry-election/index.htmlTrump's spokespeople are doubling down on his remark and trying to salvage some sense from his rambling speech. Yes it was said immediately after the remarks about the auto industry. That does not make the following remark connected to the former. Trump is promising mayhem if he is not elected and retribution on those who dared prosecute him for his crimes if he is elected. Your support for such a POS says a lot about you. ps. have you sent your donation to your hero's bond fund?
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Post by fixit on Mar 23, 2024 17:54:06 GMT -5
It would take a mindreader to make sense of his appalling English..
"Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole, that's going to be the least of it, it's going to be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it," Trump said during a speech in Vandalia on Saturday afternoon.
What does "the whole" even mean? The country?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 18:38:21 GMT -5
Trump's spokespeople are doubling down on his remark and trying to salvage some sense from his rambling speech. Yes it was said immediately after the remarks about the auto industry. That does not make the following remark connected to the former. Trump is promising mayhem if he is not elected and retribution on those who dared prosecute him for his crimes if he is elected. Your support for such a POS says a lot about you. ps. have you sent your donation to your hero's bond fund? Doesn't work anymore. Sorry. And of course I haven't donated anything to Trump and of course he isn't my hero. Good try, but really, it's getting old. I can promise you, from the bottom of my heart, that what the likes of you and Bob think anything "says about me" matters in the amount of zero. There was a time, before interacting with you very long, it would've at least given me pause. There was a time I foolishly though that by reason and logic, I could find some sort of middle ground. That time has passed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 18:43:00 GMT -5
It would take a mindreader to make sense of his appalling English.. "Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole, that's going to be the least of it, it's going to be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it," Trump said during a speech in Vandalia on Saturday afternoon. What does "the whole" even mean? The country? One would've needed to take it on context by listening to the entirely of a very valid point he was making and couple of with considering his audience. It's more nuance than folks are capable of apparently. At least CNN reported it correctly...... Easier to take a term out of context and run with every word imagination possible. It's what his opponents have done from the very beginning. *yawn*. It's a very immature tactic - but then again, we've come to expect that.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2024 20:45:37 GMT -5
It would take a mindreader to make sense of his appalling English.. "Now, if I don't get elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole, that's going to be the least of it, it's going to be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the least of it," Trump said during a speech in Vandalia on Saturday afternoon. What does "the whole" even mean? The country? One would've needed to take it on context by listening to the entirely of a very valid point he was making and couple of with considering his audience. It's more nuance than folks are capable of apparently. At least CNN reported it correctly...... Easier to take a term out of context and run with every word imagination possible. It's what his opponents have done from the very beginning. *yawn*. It's a very immature tactic - but then again, we've come to expect that. Can you give us an update on the Biden crime family? How is Comer's star witness coming along or has he been shipped back to Russia already for a accidental fall from a high rise window?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 21:56:09 GMT -5
One would've needed to take it on context by listening to the entirely of a very valid point he was making and couple of with considering his audience. It's more nuance than folks are capable of apparently. At least CNN reported it correctly...... Easier to take a term out of context and run with every word imagination possible. It's what his opponents have done from the very beginning. *yawn*. It's a very immature tactic - but then again, we've come to expect that. Can you give us an update on the Biden crime family? How is Comer's star witness coming along or has he been shipped back to Russia already for a accidental fall from a high rise window? You can get all you need from MSNBC. On the plus side, we know now thanks to AOC that RICO isn't a crime, so Biden can't be guilty of violating it. (Trump can of course, but not Biden) youtu.be/n-3ZPXBsr_Usi=YtWeMy3yRUZ8AYN6The full hearing from the AP (you won't be bothered) www.youtube.com/live/01VzCG8xBfE?si=bblmkDy6qHwieyG6And one of many exchanges captured by Forbes youtu.be/x27Rip7wGZ4si=6aYa8xeAtnAYj_AYIt has "in depth" testimony, so it's probably not suitable for leftists. ------------------ Honestly, I just want the guy gone. At this point, I don't have any faith in the integrity of the "justice" system - too far politicized. The GOP could plow ahead and impeach him. They run the risk of looking as stupid as the Democrats after their impeachment of Trump failed though. So maybe they'll just present the evidence, we can acknowledge that the Biden crime family exists but we can all wink at each other and make up some other excuse for not pursing charges (like "well, he's old and forgetful. Poor guy"). After two failed impeachments of Trump, maybe the GOP will show more class than the Democrats (not hard to do) and call well enough wll enough. We've all seen (and most of us ignored) the evidence anyway. Who cares anymore? It's not like Biden even remembers meeting Hunters business partners and money moving from China through three accounts into his. He's doing well to remember which county he is president of.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 23, 2024 22:01:33 GMT -5
I am pleased you don't have any faith in the integrity of the USA justice system. It appears to be politicians in robes, especially at the highest levels. Impeachment is a joke. Always has been, always will be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2024 1:12:13 GMT -5
I am pleased you don't have any faith in the integrity of the USA justice system. It appears to be politicians in robes, especially at the highest levels. Impeachment is a joke. Always has been, always will be. On that, we can agree. It's partisan at the top, and racist at the bottom.
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Post by snow on Mar 24, 2024 14:45:49 GMT -5
I think everyone should read Liz Cheny's book Oath and Honor A Memoir and a Warning. She was there on Jan 6 and she also was privy to all the emails, texts and depositions serving on the Jan 6th committee. If anyone thinks that Trump if not dangerous to the continuance of democracy in the US, they won't after they read her book. She is a Republican that voted 90% of the time for Trump, voted for him twice. She isn't wrong when she says that it's time to vote to preserve the constitution not any party alliance.
I also believe, listening to the word salads by Trump lately, that he has Alzheimer's or some form of dementia. Biden may be slowed down, but he isn't anywhere close to being as off the wall in his speeches as Trump is the last while. Any man that thinks that he should have complete immunity to do whatever he wants while he is president is not a good thing. That would mean he could order anything to be done to anyone that disagrees with him and he couldn't be prosecuted for it. The fact that he's hiring people that agree with that premise is very troubling. I don't see how anyone can think he would be a good choice to sit in the Oval office. Voting for someone because you think he's 'being picked on' disregards the facts that he has literally said he wants to be a dictator and he wants complete immunity to do whatever he wants if he becomes president again. As long as you agree with him, you'll be okay. That's not how a free country is run though. There has to be freedom to disagree in the media for example. Yet he talks about getting rid of news stations that don't agree with him. That's a very big red flag imo.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 24, 2024 18:45:03 GMT -5
I am pleased you don't have any faith in the integrity of the USA justice system. It appears to be politicians in robes, especially at the highest levels. Impeachment is a joke. Always has been, always will be. On that, we can agree. It's partisan at the top, and racist at the bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2024 18:54:09 GMT -5
It could be that, this time, all the dire predictions about Trump will come to pass. We don't know yet. I do know that in the 2016 election, he was presented as an equally dangerous "end of the world, democracy will die forever if he's elected" candidate.
And we had 5 peace agreements with Israel, no new wars (including 0 started by Putin), a thriving economy where I could afford propane and gas, low immigration, and we were, for the first time, a net energy exporter. When COVID hit, he was roundly ridiculed for demanding a vaccine before end of year. And he delivered.
And that was despite numerous conspiracy theories (like Russia Collusion), and two failed impeachments. And despite the crazy things he said prior to 2016, which were numerous.
Just one of dozens of examples: he floated the idea in 2015 of going after the families of ISIS terrorists. Which is crazy. And everyone freaked out just like they are now, because he was such nut job. Of course, he didn't authorize the killing of ISIS families. But ISIS, the terror of the globe which controlled major portions of Iraq and Syria was obliterated within a year, reduced to just another 2 cent Islamic terror group.
So maybe this time, his words, many taken out of context and amplified by left wing news outlets, will all come to pass and he'll proclaim himself Dictator of America, jailing news organizations and changing the language to Russian. It's a possibility. But I use the past to predict the future. If Trump in the past had wanted to mobilize his nutty supporters on Jan 6th, he wouldn't have sent the message telling them to go home. He wouldn't have tweeted "peacefully make your voices heard". He wouldn't have left, but instead actually marched to the Capitol like his supporters thought we was going to. He could've had the bloody revolution everyone seems to think he wanted. With a single tweet, everything would've been different. But he's (imo) a narcissistic coward into self preservation. He's got no "ideals". He's a pragmatist. He's not a good human, imo. But he's no Hitler, Mao or Stalin. Very few people are.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2024 18:54:19 GMT -5
Don't be such a sucker. Mike Pence needs to have his head examined. Only when he disagrees with you. It's become painfully obvious to me that I'm not the sucker in the Trump Derangement Syndrome world. Not only when he disagrees with me -- this time he AGREES with me on a matter -- doesn't mean he doesn't need his head examined. It's become painfully obvious to me that you defend a pathological liar (a loathsome criminal a$$-whole) from all his critics. And Mike Pence AGREES with YOU -- he won't vote for Trump either. What's up? At least I give a sane reason for not voting for someone. I do, however, understand exactly WHY you and Pence behave the way you do.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 24, 2024 19:03:33 GMT -5
It could be that, this time, all the dire predictions about Trump will come to pass. We don't know yet. I do know that in the 2016 election, he was presented as an equally dangerous "end of the world, democracy will die forever if he's elected" candidate. And we had 5 peace agreements with Israel, no new wars (including 0 started by Putin), a thriving economy where I could afford propane and gas, low immigration, and we were, for the first time, a net energy exporter. When COVID hit, he was roundly ridiculed for demanding a vaccine before end of year. And he delivered. And that was despite numerous conspiracy theories (like Russia Collusion), and two failed impeachments. And despite the crazy things he said prior to 2016, which were numerous. Just one of dozens of examples: he floated the idea in 2015 of going after the families of ISIS terrorists. Which is crazy. And everyone freaked out just like they are now, because he was such nut job. Of course, he didn't authorize the killing of ISIS families. But ISIS, the terror of the globe which controlled major portions of Iraq and Syria was obliterated within a year, reduced to just another 2 cent Islamic terror group. So maybe this time, his words, many taken out of context and amplified by left wing news outlets, will all come to pass and he'll proclaim himself Dictator of America, jailing news organizations and changing the language to Russian. It's a possibility. But I use the past to predict the future. If Trump in the past had wanted to mobilize his nutty supporters on Jan 6th, he wouldn't have sent the message telling them to go home. He wouldn't have tweeted "peacefully make your voices heard". He wouldn't have left, but instead actually marched to the Capitol like his supporters thought we was going to. He could've had the bloody revolution everyone seems to think he wanted. With a single tweet, everything would've been different. But he's (imo) a narcissistic coward into self preservation. He's got no "ideals". He's a pragmatist. He's not a good human, imo. But he's no Hitler, Mao or Stalin. Very few people are. What do you mean "We had 5 peace agreements with Israel" The USA is not at war with Israel. A meaningful peace agreement with Israel would be a return to the 1947 borders as prescribed by the UN, even better would be if they got themselves back to Europe or wherever they come from and stopped stealing and colonizing other peoples land.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2024 19:06:05 GMT -5
They ignored his precise threat before the Jan 6 scenario. That was his trial run for his next term -- and he's planning to pardon all his cohorts from the first insurrection party. Again..... why wasn't he charged with insurrection? They charged him with everything else. He was charged -- first in Congress where his MAGA suckers only needed 34% votes to save his hide. If you've checked the news in the last several months, you'll understand that he is being charged with more serious crimes than you would ever stack up in your lifetime -- What kind of sucker thinks none of it is deserved? I have an answer, but you'll probably get to come to the same conclusion too, so no need to elaborate. Join the tribe.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2024 19:07:19 GMT -5
It could be that, this time, all the dire predictions about Trump will come to pass. We don't know yet. I do know that in the 2016 election, he was presented as an equally dangerous "end of the world, democracy will die forever if he's elected" candidate. And we had 5 peace agreements with Israel, no new wars (including 0 started by Putin), a thriving economy where I could afford propane and gas, low immigration, and we were, for the first time, a net energy exporter. When COVID hit, he was roundly ridiculed for demanding a vaccine before end of year. And he delivered. And that was despite numerous conspiracy theories (like Russia Collusion), and two failed impeachments. And despite the crazy things he said prior to 2016, which were numerous. Just one of dozens of examples: he floated the idea in 2015 of going after the families of ISIS terrorists. Which is crazy. And everyone freaked out just like they are now, because he was such nut job. Of course, he didn't authorize the killing of ISIS families. But ISIS, the terror of the globe which controlled major portions of Iraq and Syria was obliterated within a year, reduced to just another 2 cent Islamic terror group. So maybe this time, his words, many taken out of context and amplified by left wing news outlets, will all come to pass and he'll proclaim himself Dictator of America, jailing news organizations and changing the language to Russian. It's a possibility. But I use the past to predict the future. If Trump in the past had wanted to mobilize his nutty supporters on Jan 6th, he wouldn't have sent the message telling them to go home. He wouldn't have tweeted "peacefully make your voices heard". He wouldn't have left, but instead actually marched to the Capitol like his supporters thought we was going to. He could've had the bloody revolution everyone seems to think he wanted. With a single tweet, everything would've been different. But he's (imo) a narcissistic coward into self preservation. He's got no "ideals". He's a pragmatist. He's not a good human, imo. But he's no Hitler, Mao or Stalin. Very few people are. What do you mean "We had 5 peace agreements with Israel" The USA is not at war with Israel. A meaningful peace agreement with Israel would be a return to the 1947 borders as prescribed by the UN, even better would be if they got themselves back to Europe or wherever they come from and stopped stealing and colonizing other peoples land. It might be a good thing that he's not going to vote this time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2024 19:08:38 GMT -5
Only when he disagrees with you. It's become painfully obvious to me that I'm not the sucker in the Trump Derangement Syndrome world. Not only when he disagrees with me -- this time he AGREES with me on a matter -- doesn't mean he doesn't need his head examined. It's become painfully obvious to me that you defend a pathological liar (a loathsome criminal a$$-whole) from all his critics. And Mike Pence AGREES with YOU -- he won't vote for Trump either. What's up? At least I give a sane reason for not voting for someone. I do, however, understand exactly WHY you and Pence behave the way you do. thankfully, I've had enough conversations with others who have interacted with you to know that you're always right. We could all be so lucky. I also am aware of other things that have caused me to lose every ounce of respect I once had for you. So, like Curly, know that I really don't hold your opinion as having any value whatsoever.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 24, 2024 19:09:10 GMT -5
What do you mean "We had 5 peace agreements with Israel" The USA is not at war with Israel. A meaningful peace agreement with Israel would be a return to the 1947 borders as prescribed by the UN, even better would be if they got themselves back to Europe or wherever they come from and stopped stealing and colonizing other peoples land. It might be a good thing that he's not going to vote this time. On the subject of voting I see that Niki Hayley sponsers are now pouring their money into Bidens election fund. Smart move.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2024 19:10:16 GMT -5
Anyone with more than a 10 second attention span would have followed the context and realized Trump's 'bloodbath' comment was a reference to the zero tax on imported automobiles that Biden supports. Currently, the USA charges 2.5% on imports while China charges 25%. China is the largest exporter of cars in the world now, recently overtaking Japan. That's the economic bloodbath Trump was referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2024 19:15:41 GMT -5
I think this time for good. I was speaking with a young man who recently was accepted in a high level research lab. He brought up politics - said his grandpa watches CNN and still believes a lot of nonesense. His words exactly: " there's no point taking to him". There's very little ability to see distinction and nuance in today's world. There's no value anymore here.
Have a good life, all. It's been truly enlightening.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2024 19:25:48 GMT -5
Not only when he disagrees with me -- this time he AGREES with me on a matter -- doesn't mean he doesn't need his head examined. It's become painfully obvious to me that you defend a pathological liar (a loathsome criminal a$$-whole) from all his critics. And Mike Pence AGREES with YOU -- he won't vote for Trump either. What's up? At least I give a sane reason for not voting for someone. I do, however, understand exactly WHY you and Pence behave the way you do. thankfully, I've had enough conversations with others who have interacted with you to know that you're always right. We could all be so lucky. I also am aware of other things that have caused me to lose every ounce of respect I once had for you. So, like Curly, know that I really don't hold your opinion as having any value whatsoever. Trump also has had such conversations with "a lot of people are saying"!!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2024 19:29:50 GMT -5
It might be a good thing that he's not going to vote this time. On the subject of voting I see that Niki Hayley sponsers are now pouring their money into Bidens election fund. Smart move. Niki probably understands that the only way to rid the party of Trump is to preserve the party that will preserve her opportunity to run again next time.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 24, 2024 19:31:09 GMT -5
I think this time for good. I was speaking with a young man who recently was accepted in a high level research lab. He brought up politics - said his grandpa watches CNN and still believes a lot of nonesense. His words exactly: " there's no point taking to him". There's very little ability to see distinction and nuance in today's world. There's no value anymore here. Have a good life, all. It's been truly enlightening. I suspect we may know exactly what you were saying.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 24, 2024 21:55:15 GMT -5
I think this time for good. I was speaking with a young man who recently was accepted in a high level research lab. He brought up politics - said his grandpa watches CNN and still believes a lot of nonesense. His words exactly: " there's no point taking to him". There's very little ability to see distinction and nuance in today's world. There's no value anymore here. Have a good life, all. It's been truly enlightening. I suspect we may know exactly what you were saying. I get the feling that many Trump supporters, especially those that accuse other Republicans of being RINO's or yap on about the Biden crime family have painted themselves into a corner. And now realize it. I watch a lot of Trump speeches and also videos of people interviewing his supporters. Here is one.
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