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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 13:05:13 GMT -5
In practice, Christians seem to divide sin into two categories- those that define the person and those that afflict the person. A Christian might therefore say they "struggle" with pornography rather than calling themselves a "porn addict". I don't understand what you mean by the two categories. Do you see homosexuality as something that defines a person or as something that afflicts a person? Is it the choice question? Can Christians only call homosexuality a sin if they also claim it is a choice? If Christians admit that homosexuality is something that a person is born with then does that mean they can no longer call it a sin?
I see homosexuality as something people are born with in all likelihood, and certainly not a choice. I was our school's LBGTQ Club faculty representative and it's pretty obvious after seeing the grief those folks get that nobody would choose to make their lives significantly more difficult in that respect. I wouldn't define someone by their homosexuality though, just as I don't identify myself specifically by my heterosexuality. It is a prominent feature of my being, but it isn't my entire identity. So basically, I don't see homosexuality as something that defines, nor as something that afflicts. I don't treat people who are homosexual any differently because of it, just as I don't treat people differently according to their hair color. Christians, especially in the context of the organized religion and fundamentalists, unfortunately don't tend to act this way. They seem to first label homosexuality as a "sin", second call it a choice, and third define anyone who is homosexual entirely by that feature. All three of those things I reject myself, but it's been my observation that this is what happens. I think your last point is really at the core of it. If Christians admitted that it wasn't a choice, but simply an aspect of identify some people are born with, calling it a "sin" becomes harder to justify.
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Post by snow on Jan 1, 2024 15:38:39 GMT -5
In practice, Christians seem to divide sin into two categories- those that define the person and those that afflict the person. A Christian might therefore say they "struggle" with pornography rather than calling themselves a "porn addict". I don't understand what you mean by the two categories. Do you see homosexuality as something that defines a person or as something that afflicts a person? Is it the choice question? Can Christians only call homosexuality a sin if they also claim it is a choice? If Christians admit that homosexuality is something that a person is born with then does that mean they can no longer call it a sin?
I know you're not asking me, but I think that's exactly why Christians can't accept that homosexuality is not a choice but a way someone is born. They can't accept that God would make a creation that would be 'born' in the condition God says is a sin so therefore it has to be a person's choice and they have been manipulated by Satan. Because we all know that all the mistakes God made is blamed on Satan.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 1, 2024 18:10:47 GMT -5
Christians are going to continue to believe what they need to believe for their emotional security. Christians will continue to reject growing mountains of scientific evidence that contradict what they need to believe for continuing that emotional security. As I've said before; religion is not about logic, religion is about emotion. The video below is 46 minutes long. I doubt any Christian will watch it. Why Are People Gay? Gay By Choice or Is Being Gay Genetic? January 13, 2022 www.healthyplace.com/gender/gay/why-are-people-gay-gay-by-choice-or-is-being-gay-genetic
Is Being Gay a Choice?
Considering whether people choose to be gay is complex. It very much appears that same-sex sexual attraction is not a choice but acting on it is; so if you define gay as the mere presence of same-sex attraction, then from everything we understand, being gay is not a choice.
If, on the other hand, you consider someone to be gay only if they act on their same-sex attraction then being gay can be considered a choice depending on an individual's behavior.www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-4P_D_ge0A Only Human
LGBTQ+ Documentary | Are People Born Gay? | Survival of the Fabulous Jun 29, 2020 FIlmmaker Bryce Sage has had a big question on his mind, ever since he came out of the closet; how is evolution compatible with the existence of gay men? This investigative documentary explores the biology and evolution of male homosexuality, including whether or not people can be born gay.
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Post by xna on Jan 1, 2024 19:00:57 GMT -5
Why Are People Gay? Gay By Choice or Is Being Gay Genetic?Good info. I'm still trying to figure out why the gay guys are better looking than the straight guys.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 1, 2024 19:34:13 GMT -5
Why Are People Gay? Gay By Choice or Is Being Gay Genetic?Good info. I'm still trying to figure out why the gay guys are better looking than the straight guys.
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Post by xna on Jan 1, 2024 19:42:04 GMT -5
Good info. I'm still trying to figure out why the gay guys are better looking than the straight guys.
I don’t think that it. I might be showing my prejudices here, but I find gay men to be better looking than straight men, and gay women to be less better looking than straight women.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 2, 2024 8:26:41 GMT -5
When I first heard of this new California law, I was very much against it. I thought it was silly. I thought it was a violation of free market enterprise. Then I realized, not every child is as lucky as I was. I was lucky. I grew-up in a home where the idea of toys having gender was never talked about. Unfortunately, not every child is that lucky. Some unlucky children may be born into families where they are only allowed to play with toys that are identified by their parents as being for their gender. Some homophobic parents may need the approval of some government entity or some toy company to consider a toy as gender-neutral. This law may backfire. Instead of increasing the number of toys that children are allowed to play with, it may reduce the list. There may be some parents who are so homophobic that they may allow their child to play only with toys that have been officially approved for their gender. The children may be forbidden to play with gender-neutral toys as well as forbidden to play with toys identified as for their opposite gender. Gender-neutral toy aisles are now law in California January 1, 2024 www.cnn.com/2024/01/01/us/gender-neutral-toy-aisles-are-now-law-in-california/index.htmlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=aPOzt7q0a0M New CA law requires gender-neutral toy sections at large retail stores ABC7 News Bay Area Dec 21, 2023
A new law goes into effect in 2024 that will require gender-neutral toy sections at large retail stores in California.
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Post by maryhig on Jan 2, 2024 9:06:47 GMT -5
When I first heard of this new California law, I was very much against it. I thought it was silly. I thought it was a violation of free market enterprise. Then I realized, not every child is as lucky as I was. I was lucky. I grew-up in a home where the idea of toys having gender was never talked about. Unfortunately, not every child is that lucky. Some unlucky children may be born into families where they are only allowed to play with toys that are identified by their parents as being for their gender. Some homophobic parents may need the approval of some government entity or some toy company to consider a toy as gender-neutral. This law may backfire. Instead of increasing the number of toys that children are allowed to play with, it may reduce the list. There may be some parents who are so homophobic that they may allow their child to play only with toys that have been officially approved for their gender. The children may be forbidden to play with gender-neutral toys as well as forbidden to play with toys identified as for their opposite gender. Gender-neutral toy aisles are now law in California January 1, 2024 www.cnn.com/2024/01/01/us/gender-neutral-toy-aisles-are-now-law-in-california/index.htmlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=aPOzt7q0a0M New CA law requires gender-neutral toy sections at large retail stores ABC7 News Bay Area Dec 21, 2023
A new law goes into effect in 2024 that will require gender-neutral toy sections at large retail stores in California.
Oh my word the worlds gone mad! A law where you have to put toys in a store so it's gender neutral? Come on it's crazy!
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Post by snow on Jan 2, 2024 14:02:29 GMT -5
Christians are going to continue to believe what they need to believe for their emotional security. Christians will continue to reject growing mountains of scientific evidence that contradict what they need to believe for continuing that emotional security. As I've said before; religion is not about logic, religion is about emotion. The video below is 46 minutes long. I doubt any Christian will watch it. Why Are People Gay? Gay By Choice or Is Being Gay Genetic? January 13, 2022 www.healthyplace.com/gender/gay/why-are-people-gay-gay-by-choice-or-is-being-gay-genetic
Is Being Gay a Choice?
Considering whether people choose to be gay is complex. It very much appears that same-sex sexual attraction is not a choice but acting on it is; so if you define gay as the mere presence of same-sex attraction, then from everything we understand, being gay is not a choice.
If, on the other hand, you consider someone to be gay only if they act on their same-sex attraction then being gay can be considered a choice depending on an individual's behavior.www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-4P_D_ge0A Only Human
LGBTQ+ Documentary | Are People Born Gay? | Survival of the Fabulous Jun 29, 2020 FIlmmaker Bryce Sage has had a big question on his mind, ever since he came out of the closet; how is evolution compatible with the existence of gay men? This investigative documentary explores the biology and evolution of male homosexuality, including whether or not people can be born gay.
It's the reason why they deny science that doesn't match what their sacred book says. It's not just Christians but other religions that have contradictory information to what we have found to be reality.
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Post by snow on Jan 2, 2024 14:07:38 GMT -5
When I first heard of this new California law, I was very much against it. I thought it was silly. I thought it was a violation of free market enterprise. Then I realized, not every child is as lucky as I was. I was lucky. I grew-up in a home where the idea of toys having gender was never talked about. Unfortunately, not every child is that lucky. Some unlucky children may be born into families where they are only allowed to play with toys that are identified by their parents as being for their gender. Some homophobic parents may need the approval of some government entity or some toy company to consider a toy as gender-neutral. This law may backfire. Instead of increasing the number of toys that children are allowed to play with, it may reduce the list. There may be some parents who are so homophobic that they may allow their child to play only with toys that have been officially approved for their gender. The children may be forbidden to play with gender-neutral toys as well as forbidden to play with toys identified as for their opposite gender. Gender-neutral toy aisles are now law in California January 1, 2024 www.cnn.com/2024/01/01/us/gender-neutral-toy-aisles-are-now-law-in-california/index.htmlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=aPOzt7q0a0M New CA law requires gender-neutral toy sections at large retail stores ABC7 News Bay Area Dec 21, 2023
A new law goes into effect in 2024 that will require gender-neutral toy sections at large retail stores in California.
Oh my word the worlds gone mad! A law where you have to put toys in a store so it's gender neutral? Come on it's crazy! Sure it's crazy, but it's a direct response to the belief that there are only two genders male and female like the bible teaches. The parents that get this crazy are the ones that are terrified of raising a child that 'might turn into a homosexual' because they belief that it's their environment that makes them homosexuals. If they understood and believed the science behind why some people are gay, they wouldn't need to be afraid of turning their kids into homosexuals by allowing gender inappropriate toys into their kids lives. You're right the world has gone mad, and religion is helping.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 17:50:28 GMT -5
A law mandating a gender neutral toy aisle. That's soooo California! 😂🤣😅🤣😂
A state that has the worst housing prices, high unemployment and homelessness, high taxes, high crime rates......but gender neutral toy aisles.
I'm not even against the idea itself, though the law seems a bit much. Are they going to mandate toy aisles with only African-American approved toys next? But something like that has to come from California!😂🤣😅
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 2, 2024 20:47:38 GMT -5
Why Are People Gay? Gay By Choice or Is Being Gay Genetic?Good info. I'm still trying to figure out why the gay guys are better looking than the straight guys. So that explains my facial problem!!!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 2, 2024 20:50:36 GMT -5
Oh my word the worlds gone mad! A law where you have to put toys in a store so it's gender neutral? Come on it's crazy! Sure it's crazy, but it's a direct response to the belief that there are only two genders male and female like the bible teaches. The parents that get this crazy are the ones that are terrified of raising a child that 'might turn into a homosexual' because they belief that it's their environment that makes them homosexuals. If they understood and believed the science behind why some people are gay, they wouldn't need to be afraid of turning their kids into homosexuals by allowing gender inappropriate toys into their kids lives. You're right the world has gone mad, and religion is helping. Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 21:40:30 GMT -5
Oh my word the worlds gone mad! A law where you have to put toys in a store so it's gender neutral? Come on it's crazy! Sure it's crazy, but it's a direct response to the belief that there are only two genders male and female like the bible teaches. The parents that get this crazy are the ones that are terrified of raising a child that 'might turn into a homosexual' because they belief that it's their environment that makes them homosexuals. If they understood and believed the science behind why some people are gay, they wouldn't need to be afraid of turning their kids into homosexuals by allowing gender inappropriate toys into their kids lives. You're right the world has gone mad, and religion is helping. You have to explain what happens in prisons then or do you think that criminals are naturally homosexual?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 2, 2024 22:12:57 GMT -5
Sure it's crazy, but it's a direct response to the belief that there are only two genders male and female like the bible teaches. The parents that get this crazy are the ones that are terrified of raising a child that 'might turn into a homosexual' because they belief that it's their environment that makes them homosexuals. If they understood and believed the science behind why some people are gay, they wouldn't need to be afraid of turning their kids into homosexuals by allowing gender inappropriate toys into their kids lives. You're right the world has gone mad, and religion is helping. You have to explain what happens in prisons then or do you think that criminals are naturally homosexual? Why should she have to explain -- she's never been in prison. If you've been in prison, you tell us. Otherwise, let some other guy who's been in prison explain it for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 2:21:37 GMT -5
You have to explain what happens in prisons then or do you think that criminals are naturally homosexual? Why should she have to explain -- she's never been in prison. If you've been in prison, you tell us. Otherwise, let some other guy who's been in prison explain it for us. It's quite common knowledge what happens in prison, no need to be a member to explain it really...
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 3, 2024 6:08:45 GMT -5
Sure it's crazy, but it's a direct response to the belief that there are only two genders male and female like the bible teaches. The parents that get this crazy are the ones that are terrified of raising a child that 'might turn into a homosexual' because they belief that it's their environment that makes them homosexuals. If they understood and believed the science behind why some people are gay, they wouldn't need to be afraid of turning their kids into homosexuals by allowing gender inappropriate toys into their kids lives. You're right the world has gone mad, and religion is helping. You have to explain what happens in prisons then or do you think that criminals are naturally homosexual?
Sometimes it's like green beans and cookies. Most people would rather eat cookies than eat green beans. But if there are no cookies and people get hungry enough, they will eat green beans.
There is also the dominance factor. In some cases it is not about sex at all, it is about asserting dominance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 12:40:57 GMT -5
You have to explain what happens in prisons then or do you think that criminals are naturally homosexual?
Sometimes it's like green beans and cookies. Most people would rather eat cookies than eat green beans. But if there are no cookies and people get hungry enough, they will eat green beans.
There is also the dominance factor. In some cases it is not about sex at all, it is about asserting dominance.
That my friend would be called choice, choosing to be or do something despite the contrary way to be...not genetics at all....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 3, 2024 13:25:45 GMT -5
Sometimes it's like green beans and cookies. Most people would rather eat cookies than eat green beans. But if there are no cookies and people get hungry enough, they will eat green beans.
There is also the dominance factor. In some cases it is not about sex at all, it is about asserting dominance.
That my friend would be called choice, choosing to be or do something despite the contrary way to be...not genetics at all.... You mentioned prisons. RK is correct and you are also. It is what is available. I read a study years ago where prisoners who indulged in same sex sex in prison invariably did not when released and prior to being incarcerated.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 3, 2024 14:37:22 GMT -5
Sometimes it's like green beans and cookies. Most people would rather eat cookies than eat green beans. But if there are no cookies and people get hungry enough, they will eat green beans.
There is also the dominance factor. In some cases it is not about sex at all, it is about asserting dominance.
That my friend would be called choice, choosing to be or do something despite the contrary way to be...not genetics at all....
I bet you didn't watch a bit of that video I posted. I bet you are too homophobic.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 3, 2024 14:59:55 GMT -5
That my friend would be called choice, choosing to be or do something despite the contrary way to be...not genetics at all....
I bet you didn't watch a bit of that video I posted. I bet you are too homophobic.
Whenever I see the wally doing one of his homosexual/transexual rants I think of this song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhYiz9FRKAc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 15:05:59 GMT -5
That my friend would be called choice, choosing to be or do something despite the contrary way to be...not genetics at all....
I bet you didn't watch a bit of that video I posted. I bet you are too homophobic.
I've seen a BILLON homo rationalization vid's yours was no different... Being homophobic would require fear, disgust is not fear....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 15:11:16 GMT -5
I bet you didn't watch a bit of that video I posted. I bet you are too homophobic.
Whenever I see the wally doing one of his homosexual/transexual rants I think of this song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhYiz9FRKAcDemented reply noted....
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 3, 2024 15:43:30 GMT -5
I bet you didn't watch a bit of that video I posted. I bet you are too homophobic.
I've seen a BILLON homo rationalization vid's yours was no different... Being homophobic would require fear, disgust is not fear....
You say mine was no different. What was the common element in the billions of videos that you have observed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 16:19:22 GMT -5
I've seen a BILLON homo rationalization vid's yours was no different... Being homophobic would require fear, disgust is not fear....
You say mine was no different. What was the common element in the billions of videos that you have observed?
I gotta be me, I was made this way not my fault, I can do what I want as long as no one is "hurt"...
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 3, 2024 16:24:49 GMT -5
You say mine was no different. What was the common element in the billions of videos that you have observed?
I gotta be me, I was made this way not my fault, I can do what I want as long as no one is "hurt"...
Which of those three things do you think is a problem? Which of those three things do you not live by yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 16:40:27 GMT -5
I gotta be me, I was made this way not my fault, I can do what I want as long as no one is "hurt"...
Which of those three things do you think is a problem? Which of those three things do you not live by yourself?
All of them are for that particular sin. Ideals such as above do not necessarily apply across all conditions... If perchance this is genetic (it's not definitive enough yet for me) it would be much like any other problem or issue that could be laid against genetics. God has given you something to conquer not indulge in. Godly discernment will help you choose the right path if you let him guide.
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Post by rk0atheist on Jan 3, 2024 16:50:06 GMT -5
Which of those three things do you think is a problem? Which of those three things do you not live by yourself?
All of them are for that particular sin. Ideals such as above do not necessarily apply across all conditions... If perchance this is genetic (it's not definitive enough yet for me) it would be much like any other problem or issue that could be laid against genetics. God has given you something to conquer not indulge in. Godly discernment will help you choose the right path if you let him guide.
What would it take to convince you that homosexuality is a condition that some people are born with?
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