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Post by matia on Aug 7, 2007 2:59:33 GMT -5
Hi there If the 2x2s think they are so correct , you would think that they would refrain from using (OUTSIDERS) hymns and tunes Hymnal The first hymnal printed exclusively by and for the church was printed circa 1904 and entitled "The Go-Preacher's Hymn Book." It included 125 hymns, a few of which were written by members of the group, while most were inclusions from the Faith Mission hymnbook, "Songs of Victory." The present hymnal, entitled "Hymns Old and New," was first published in 1919 and has had subsequent editions in 1928, 1951, and 1987. It is published by R.L. Allan & Son, Glasgow, Scotland. R. L. Allen was the original publisher of the Faith Mission hymnal, "Songs of Victory" (original edition, 1898). The most recent edition of "Hymns Old and New" (1987) contains 412 hymns, 110 (26%) of which were written by outsiders. Most of the words were written by Workers or friends, while most of the melodies were written by outsiders. Many of the workers and friends have been prolific hymn writers, some of the most prolific being Sam Jones, Sandy Scott, James Jardine, Elma Wiebe Milton, Gladys Porteous, and Mabel Pryor. mjr207 New Zealand
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Post by ii on Aug 7, 2007 3:50:58 GMT -5
Hi there If the 2x2s think they are so correct , you would think that they would refrain from using (OUTSIDERS) hymns and tunes Hymnal The first hymnal printed exclusively by and for the church was printed circa 1904 and entitled "The Go-Preacher's Hymn Book." It included 125 hymns, a few of which were written by members of the group, while most were inclusions from the Faith Mission hymnbook, "Songs of Victory." The present hymnal, entitled "Hymns Old and New," was first published in 1919 and has had subsequent editions in 1928, 1951, and 1987. It is published by R.L. Allan & Son, Glasgow, Scotland. R. L. Allen was the original publisher of the Faith Mission hymnal, "Songs of Victory" (original edition, 1898). The most recent edition of "Hymns Old and New" (1987) contains 412 hymns, 110 (26%) of which were written by outsiders. Most of the words were written by Workers or friends, while most of the melodies were written by outsiders. Many of the workers and friends have been prolific hymn writers, some of the most prolific being Sam Jones, Sandy Scott, James Jardine, Elma Wiebe Milton, Gladys Porteous, and Mabel Pryor. mjr207 New Zealand why? & so?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 7, 2007 4:06:14 GMT -5
I don't see the importance of this either...
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Post by ii on Aug 7, 2007 4:09:00 GMT -5
I don't see the importance of this either... looks like the flightless bird is trying to fly ;D
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Post by ii on Aug 7, 2007 4:09:54 GMT -5
I don't see the importance of this either... looks like the flightless bird is trying to fly ;D
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 7, 2007 4:10:02 GMT -5
Heh??? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. and hi.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 7, 2007 6:23:26 GMT -5
Ofr all the hymns Ive ever heard sang why are they soooooooooo slow and draggy? Isnt there any upbeat hand clappin songs?
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Post by shushy on Aug 7, 2007 6:28:00 GMT -5
Illinois gal go down to the local christian book shop and ask to listen to praise music...It helped change my life. It is uplifting and joyful happy sounding and beautiful.
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Post by _ on Aug 7, 2007 13:27:07 GMT -5
Hi there If the 2x2s think they are so correct , you would think that they would refrain from using (OUTSIDERS) hymns and tunes Here is what one current professing person had to say on this issue...
When I first came to God's true way I had a question about why many of our hymns were written by people who were not professing ... I was familiar with so many of the hymns and have an old hymn book from a worldly denomination with songs from our hymn book. So I asked a worker about it and the answer given to me was something like ..... if God can make a dumb ass prophesy He can use whomever he wants to write a hymn.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 7, 2007 17:49:36 GMT -5
Hi there If the 2x2s think they are so correct , you would think that they would refrain from using (OUTSIDERS) hymns and tunes Here is what one current professing person had to say on this issue...
When I first came to God's true way I had a question about why many of our hymns were written by people who were not professing ... I was familiar with so many of the hymns and have an old hymn book from a worldly denomination with songs from our hymn book. So I asked a worker about it and the answer given to me was something like ..... if God can make a dumb ass prophesy He can use whomever he wants to write a hymn. Sorry, I find that so disgusting! I was B & R, and after I left the meetings and found out that so many of the hymns didn't "belong" to the F & W's it made me really angry that they would have the arrogance on one hand to exclude these songwriter's to a lost eternity and then use their music in their own meetings. How it must grieve the heart of God to observe this among his children! Best regards, Edy
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Post by Hmmmmmm on Aug 7, 2007 19:41:14 GMT -5
Hymns Old and New" (1987) contains 412 hymns, 110 (26%) of which were written by outsiders. I have a serious problem with the numbers you are posting... out of the first 100 hymns I counted 60+ written by our own people. In the latter part of the book, it looks like about 90% or higher so the 110 is way off. It matters not whither a hymn was written by one of our people or someone else... if I like the words, I sing it so I didn't care to count the whole book.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 7, 2007 19:49:50 GMT -5
The numbers can be proved by checking with a Hymn Author list. This list is also found on TTT.
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Post by déjà vu on Aug 7, 2007 19:53:48 GMT -5
one thing I dislike about many of the modern hymns, is that they are so repetitive , does anyone feel the same ?
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Post by matia on Aug 7, 2007 20:18:15 GMT -5
::)Hi there to all who responded Yes those who were for my posting I thank you Those who were against my posting , I presume you are still in the 2x2 , by the arrogant attitude you have, I have had many discussions along this line with 2x2s and the conclusion I got was they either did not know or turned a blind eye Whats wrong with that great hymn (Guide ME OH THOU GREAT JEHOVAH THROUGH THIS WASTE AND BARREN LAND) any many more I feel great to be free mjr207 By the way I was born and raised in it and had the convention grounds on our property
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 7, 2007 21:41:15 GMT -5
To Rick They call some of them 7-11 hymns
7 words sung 11 times
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Post by ii on Aug 8, 2007 2:15:20 GMT -5
::)Hi there to all who responded Yes those who were for my posting I thank you Those who were against my posting , I presume you are still in the 2x2 , by the arrogant attitude you have, I have had many discussions along this line with 2x2s and the conclusion I got was they either did not know or turned a blind eye Whats wrong with that great hymn (Guide ME OH THOU GREAT JEHOVAH THROUGH THIS WASTE AND BARREN LAND) any many more I feel great to be free mjr207 By the way I was born and raised in it and had the convention grounds on our property why is it that you want us to sing hymns that you approve of? and what were those convention grounds? and are you saying that those convention grounds are no longer?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 8, 2007 2:51:41 GMT -5
arrogant attitude for saying I like the hymns Ok.
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 8, 2007 2:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by matia on Aug 8, 2007 4:13:30 GMT -5
Hi there ii guest Its not what I approve off , its what you are doing ,the point is , if you dont approve of anything outside of your 2x2s click I dont know why you are singing worldly hymns for . surely not !!!!
the con. grounds are still in use , but not by our family
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Post by Jessi on Aug 8, 2007 8:40:01 GMT -5
Hymns Old and New" (1987) contains 412 hymns, 110 (26%) of which were written by outsiders. I have a serious problem with the numbers you are posting... out of the first 100 hymns I counted 60+ written by our own people. In the latter part of the book, it looks like about 90% or higher so the 110 is way off. It matters not whither a hymn was written by one of our people or someone else... if I like the words, I sing it so I didn't care to count the whole book. But doesn't it seem to matter that when we sing something over and over, it becomes stuck in our heads, so that we memorize the words according to the tune, also. Important because theology is taught in hymns. This is a way--by repeating words--to instill certain ideas, good or bad. Seems that if we like a tune, we tend to sing it over and over and then the words are said and heard over and over. If the theology is bad, it creeps into our very voice in music and seems even more dangerous than listening to a false gospel--if the words are not the gospel. Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by facts on Aug 9, 2007 1:25:20 GMT -5
"If the 2x2s think they are so correct , you would think that they would refrain from using (OUTSIDERS) hymns and tunes"
This statement has assertion and fact mixed.
That many hymns are written by outsiders is a fact.
The statement tries to link this fact to thinking "they are so correct". Clearly if this logic is to be followed, and given the fact that there are indeed "outsiders" hymns, then the part about 2x2s thinking they are so correct is false.
So the outor is in effect saying "2x2s do not think themselves correct".
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Post by ii on Aug 9, 2007 4:44:56 GMT -5
Hi there ii guest Its not what I approve off , its what you are doing ,the point is , if you dont approve of anything outside of your 2x2s click I dont know why you are singing worldly hymns for . surely not !!!! the con. grounds are still in use , but not by our family what is it to you what we sing? what convention ground are you speaking of?
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 9, 2007 6:17:11 GMT -5
I dont know about you all but there were 2 commercials on TV in the past yr I couldnt stop singing there jingles over and over in my head.
The one was the tune to the vonage commercial. The other was that silly Dr Pepper commercial where they would sing menahmanah
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Post by Jessi on Aug 9, 2007 12:51:05 GMT -5
I dont know about you all but there were 2 commercials on TV in the past yr I couldnt stop singing there jingles over and over in my head. The one was the tune to the vonage commercial. The other was that silly Dr Pepper commercial where they would sing menahmanah That's a perfect example, IG - and further proof of the influence of background noise is that I have no idea what you are talking about "that silly Dr. Pepper commercial" and "the tune to the vonage" . . . because I do not watch or listen to TV. Thanks for the great example! Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by isnt it ironic on Aug 9, 2007 19:23:59 GMT -5
I think that most, or all, of the old hymns from the earlier Hymns Olde And New, which were also sung in worldly churches have been purged from the most recent hymn book. Now they are all written by anonymous hymn composers from the 2x2 faith (mainly musically inclined workers I think).
I used to think it was kind of ironic that the professing folks were singing many of the same hymns that were to be found in the so-called-counterfeit Christian churches.
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Post by isnt it ironic on Aug 9, 2007 19:41:43 GMT -5
It was an eye-opener for me when I first heard "Just As I Am" being sung during a Billy Graham revival mtg. And it was being used for the same purpose. Except during the Billy Graham mtg. the folks "professed" by coming forward, down to the stage...rather than just standing to their feet.
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Post by isnt it ironic on Aug 9, 2007 19:51:48 GMT -5
The nerve of the Billy Graham crusade to use a 2x2 "testing the mtg hymn" in their bogus "alter call"...or whatever the worldling churches call it. Yes, a real eye-opener...as to false religion using a hymn that could only be used legitimately in a 2x2 mtg.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 9, 2007 21:07:48 GMT -5
To isn't it ironic: Didn't you read the first post? About 25% (110 hymns) of the hymns in the 1987 Ed of HO&N are written by outsiders. They have NOT been purged out. There is a hymn author booklet that gives the authors and composers names. The hymns aren't anonymous. This list is posted on TTT.
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