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Post by fixit on Aug 19, 2023 15:15:49 GMT -5
We should ask ourselves "what would Jesus do?" in the current mess? How would he fit into the religious politics that we hold so dear? Or would he be pushed aside, despised, rejected, defamed and ridiculed? I think Jesus would be diplomatic and not strain at a gnat . Anyone preaching the gospel would likely get a ...Faced with a similar problem about others besides the disciples doing miracles in his name, John said, "Master, we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us. But Jesus said, Do not stop him: For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me. For whoever is not against us is for us.” (Mark 9:38-40).. No exclusivity & no religiosity, just an all-inclusive positive nonsecular response. Jesus spoke out against the oppression that resulted from organised religion.
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Post by internationalstudies on Aug 19, 2023 15:18:54 GMT -5
It is sad you "push back so hard "about i)sharing in your Sunday morning meeting or ii) in a testimony with a convention audience or iii) with the two sisters in your field or Alan or Wayne 'over a coffee' your message: Walter Mitty? or ? 🤷♂️ Is preaching Jesus only, such a bad idea? Is not our calling to follow Jesus? A lot of people are hurting right now because their faith is fixed on a religious organisation rather than on Jesus. You are obfuscating and asking more questions in an attempt to avoiding your uncomfortable reality.🤷♂️ Keep posting slagging the church and me also if you wish. I'll take notice once you share your: "Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
-With the folk in the Sunday morning meeting in your home. 🤭 -If you get a day of convention, then in your testimony there?😮 -Or if you are really a man of your convictions when you 'have a coffee' with Alan or Wayne or the two sisters there! (I'd like to be a 'fly on the wall'!) 🤷♂️
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Post by jwatt on Aug 19, 2023 15:42:12 GMT -5
Is preaching Jesus only, such a bad idea? Is not our calling to follow Jesus? A lot of people are hurting right now because their faith is fixed on a religious organisation rather than on Jesus. You are avoiding your reality.🤷♂️ Getting ready for meeting aye!
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Post by internationalstudies on Aug 19, 2023 15:48:59 GMT -5
Perhaps I'll speak this: "Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
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Post by fixit on Aug 19, 2023 16:18:03 GMT -5
Perhaps I'll speak this: "Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
Just be sure to include the context in which that was written.
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Post by Pragmatic on Aug 19, 2023 19:43:52 GMT -5
Dear oh dear oh dear. The "Walter Mitty" attack on Fixit, what a terrible thing for a worker to do, especially to an elder in the same church. And then more sarcasm, in the short time before the Sunday morning meeting. Workers used to tell people to not even have a late night on Saturday, in "preparation for the 'morrow", and now we have this sort of behaviour.
What is with this obsession with Fixit, and Ross Bowden.
All I can see is an Elder wanting a ministry to focus more on Christ, and less on themselves and the organisation. And recent history proves that he is right.
I don't recall Ross B saying that he was trying to get people out of the church. I think that was credited to him by someone else. Instead I just see someone who is prepared to put their time and resources into preventing more victims, and supporting those who have been harmed. Simple. We should be grateful for the Ross's of this world, without who, things would have gone unchecked for longer, and there been more victims.
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Post by mountain on Aug 20, 2023 4:16:11 GMT -5
Dear oh dear oh dear. The "Walter Mitty" attack on Fixit, what a terrible thing for a worker to do, especially to an elder in the same church. And then more sarcasm, in the short time before the Sunday morning meeting. Workers used to tell people to not even have a late night on Saturday, in "preparation for the 'morrow", and now we have this sort of behaviour. What is with this obsession with Fixit, and Ross Bowden. All I can see is an Elder wanting a ministry to focus more on Christ, and less on themselves and the organisation. And recent history proves that he is right.
I don't recall Ross B saying that he was trying to get people out of the church. I think that was credited to him by someone else. Instead I just see someone who is prepared to put their time and resources into preventing more victims, and supporting those who have been harmed. Simple. We should be grateful for the Ross's of this world, without who, things would have gone unchecked for longer, and there been more victims. From what I can see (from a distance I must add), is that Ints et al, are very keen to keep matters as in house as possible. I can understand Ints's reservations about the involvement and motives of Ross, but bridges must be built (from both sides). From what I understand Ross is actually part of a group which is trying to do that. Ints just has to give Ross a chance. If Ross attempts to pursue or continue to pursue an agenda such as Ints implies, it will be the best thing to happen as far as Ints and his reservations are concerned, for it will destroy an otherwise sound initiative and it won't take long. I am very confident that Ross is venturing on the TBTA initiative with sound motives and wish him every success in that. Ints needs to get rid of his reservations. Just ask the North American natives about these. They didn't want them but had them forced on them nonetheless. 150 years later the accompanying issues continue. Ints needs to reach out and BE AN EXAMPLE for progress. Ints, get on with it!
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2023 4:36:42 GMT -5
That is my experience as well Ross. When I brought up this with a worker about 10 hrs ago he told me that if they weren’t the only true servants/preachers and this wasn’t the only right way then his life has been wasted. I felt immense sadness at that time as he did not want to discuss it further. Jesus is still the same And ever will remain Through time to come; Though born in low estate, Not ranked among the great, He is the only gate, God’s own sent One Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them? Ints needs to keep my words in context in the dossier he's keeping on me. They were written in response to a worker saying "if they weren’t the only true servants/preachers and this wasn’t the only right way then his life has been wasted." It seems that this worker spent his life teaching that his organisation is the only right way. Wouldn't it be better to teach that Jesus is God's only way? I’m glad He ever found me And came to dwell within, The stronger than the strong man, Who saves me now from sin; ’Twas life I got, not theory: His voice I did obey And entered in by Jesus, God’s only way.
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Post by mountain on Aug 20, 2023 5:37:23 GMT -5
Jesus is still the same And ever will remain Through time to come; Though born in low estate, Not ranked among the great, He is the only gate, God’s own sent One Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them? Ints needs to keep my words in context in the dossier he's keeping on me. They were written in response to a worker saying "if they weren’t the only true servants/preachers and this wasn’t the only right way then his life has been wasted." It seems that this worker spent his life teaching that his organisation is the only right way.
Wouldn't it be better to teach that Jesus is God's only way?
I’m glad He ever found me And came to dwell within, The stronger than the strong man, Who saves me now from sin; ’Twas life I got, not theory: His voice I did obey And entered in by Jesus, God’s only way.Unfortunately Ints and many other workers and friends regard the fellowship system and Jesus are irrevocably synonymous. Basically one just means the other. That's the problem.
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Post by Dan on Aug 20, 2023 13:13:24 GMT -5
Ints needs to keep my words in context in the dossier he's keeping on me. They were written in response to a worker saying "if they weren’t the only true servants/preachers and this wasn’t the only right way then his life has been wasted." It seems that this worker spent his life teaching that his organisation is the only right way.
Wouldn't it be better to teach that Jesus is God's only way?
I’m glad He ever found me And came to dwell within, The stronger than the strong man, Who saves me now from sin; ’Twas life I got, not theory: His voice I did obey And entered in by Jesus, God’s only way.Unfortunately Ints and many other workers and friends regard the fellowship system and Jesus are irrevocably synonymous. Basically one just means the other. That's the problem.
I never got that impression, we are all sinners, so no group or fellowship of people can be completely synonymous with Christ, recent events are evidence of that. What was emphasized to me was that since they follow what Jesus taught and his instructions of how the gospel was to be spread, that they are following the correct Way (Matthew 7:13-14). It was never expressed to me that 'they' are salvation, but that the correct ministry puts us on the true path leading to salvation. It was the comparison to other churches which differentiated them from the status quo.
So it never entered my mind, even in a remote sense, that they were implicating a plural version of John 14:6, "We are the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by us". However, I suspect that overtime the misnomer did drift from following the truth to being the truth, and that's sacrilege. There is an overriding perception that if your not with them, your hellbound.
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Post by mountain on Aug 20, 2023 13:28:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately Ints and many other workers and friends regard the fellowship system and Jesus are irrevocably synonymous. Basically one just means the other. That's the problem. I never got that impression, we are all sinners, so no group or fellowship of people can be completely synonymous with Christ, recent events are evidence of that. What was emphasized to me was that since they follow what Jesus taught and his instructions of how the gospel was to be spread, that they are following the correct Way (Matthew 7:13-14). It was never expressed to me that 'they' are salvation, but that the correct ministry puts us on the true path leading to salvation. It was the comparison to other churches which differentiated them from the status quo. So it never entered my mind, even in a remote sense, that they were implicating a plural version of John 14:6, "We are the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by us". However, I suspect that overtime the misnomer did drift from following the truth to being the truth, and that's sacrilege. There is an overriding perception that if your not with them, your hellbound.
In earlier times in my part of the world, some workers promoted the claim that they WERE Jesus in this day and age, presumably this came from the idea that they were going out like he did with the gospel message.
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2023 14:20:27 GMT -5
I never got that impression, we are all sinners, so no group or fellowship of people can be completely synonymous with Christ, recent events are evidence of that. What was emphasized to me was that since they follow what Jesus taught and his instructions of how the gospel was to be spread, that they are following the correct Way (Matthew 7:13-14). It was never expressed to me that 'they' are salvation, but that the correct ministry puts us on the true path leading to salvation. It was the comparison to other churches which differentiated them from the status quo. So it never entered my mind, even in a remote sense, that they were implicating a plural version of John 14:6, "We are the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by us". However, I suspect that overtime the misnomer did drift from following the truth to being the truth, and that's sacrilege. There is an overriding perception that if your not with them, your hellbound.
In earlier times in my part of the world, some workers promoted the claim that they WERE Jesus in this day and age, presumably this came from the idea that they were going out like he did with the gospel message. This same Christ who taught beside the sea Walks upon the earth today, And He comes in lowliness to thee, Templed still in mortal clay.
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Post by internationalstudies on Aug 20, 2023 15:22:24 GMT -5
pragmatic, mountain and fixit, you are appreciated and liked in this TMB echo chamber!
How do you reckon some of your 'pearlers' (there are hundreds/thousands of them) like:
"Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
would go down in Sunday morning meeting, convention or over a cup of coffee with the workers. Not as well as in the Walter Mitty TMB existence. I'd put my money on that!
Prags appreciating the 'christlikeness' of Ross; as Chuck has of bta. Prags, are you learning as much under his anglican evangelical tutelage as you did from the old Naki Anglican bishop chap you have extolled previously! You'll need to watch you don't get too (anglican) 'system minded or sanctimonious' in your enthusiasm for them!
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Post by mountain on Aug 20, 2023 15:47:47 GMT -5
pragmatic, mountain and fixit, you are appreciated and liked in this TMB echo chamber!
How do you reckon some of your 'pearlers' (there are hundreds/thousands of them) like:
"Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
would go down in Sunday morning meeting, convention or over a cup of coffee with the workers. Not as well as in the Walter Mitty TMB existence. I'd put my money on that!
Prags appreciating the 'christlikeness' of Ross; as Chuck has of bta. Prags, are you learning as much under his anglican evangelical tutelage as you did from the old Naki Anglican bishop chap you have extolled previously! You'll need to watch you don't get too (anglican) 'system minded or sanctimonious' in your enthusiasm for them!
Ints my dear fellow, is it not the case a camel is ne'er worthier than its master? Art not two aardvarks of more worth than one? Why therefore do ye seek the chambers of acrimony rather than the suite of harmony?
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Post by chuck on Aug 20, 2023 16:58:14 GMT -5
Dear oh dear oh dear. The "Walter Mitty" attack on Fixit, what a terrible thing for a worker to do, especially to an elder in the same church. And then more sarcasm, in the short time before the Sunday morning meeting. Workers used to tell people to not even have a late night on Saturday, in "preparation for the 'morrow", and now we have this sort of behaviour.
What is with this obsession with Fixit, and Ross Bowden.
All I can see is an Elder wanting a ministry to focus more on Christ, and less on themselves and the organisation. And recent history proves that he is right.
I don't recall Ross B saying that he was trying to get people out of the church. I think that was credited to him by someone else. Instead I just see someone who is prepared to put their time and resources into preventing more victims, and supporting those who have been harmed. Simple. We should be grateful for the Ross's of this world, without who, things would have gone unchecked for longer, and there been more victims.
This studies guy is in full self preservation mode, like the blokes in the latest propaganda letter, take note the zero tolerance announcement and difficult decision making does not include themselves because this crap went down on their watch.......
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Post by snow on Aug 20, 2023 16:58:27 GMT -5
pragmatic, mountain and fixit, you are appreciated and liked in this TMB echo chamber!
How do you reckon some of your 'pearlers' (there are hundreds/thousands of them) like:
"Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
would go down in Sunday morning meeting, convention or over a cup of coffee with the workers. Not as well as in the Walter Mitty TMB existence. I'd put my money on that!
Prags appreciating the 'christlikeness' of Ross; as Chuck has of bta. Prags, are you learning as much under his anglican evangelical tutelage as you did from the old Naki Anglican bishop chap you have extolled previously! You'll need to watch you don't get too (anglican) 'system minded or sanctimonious' in your enthusiasm for them!
What's wrong with being an Anglican? I haven't quite been able to figure out why you're so against another Christian church? They all teach Christ so what is there to be against?
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Post by chuck on Aug 20, 2023 17:00:46 GMT -5
pragmatic, mountain and fixit, you are appreciated and liked in this TMB echo chamber!
How do you reckon some of your 'pearlers' (there are hundreds/thousands of them) like:
"Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
would go down in Sunday morning meeting, convention or over a cup of coffee with the workers. Not as well as in the Walter Mitty TMB existence. I'd put my money on that!
Prags appreciating the 'christlikeness' of Ross; as Chuck has of bta. Prags, are you learning as much under his anglican evangelical tutelage as you did from the old Naki Anglican bishop chap you have extolled previously! You'll need to watch you don't get too (anglican) 'system minded or sanctimonious' in your enthusiasm for them!
BTA is the real world result of carpet stuffers...... How much stuff do you know that was stuffed under the rug?.
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Post by chuck on Aug 20, 2023 17:02:41 GMT -5
pragmatic, mountain and fixit, you are appreciated and liked in this TMB echo chamber!
How do you reckon some of your 'pearlers' (there are hundreds/thousands of them) like:
"Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
would go down in Sunday morning meeting, convention or over a cup of coffee with the workers. Not as well as in the Walter Mitty TMB existence. I'd put my money on that!
Prags appreciating the 'christlikeness' of Ross; as Chuck has of bta. Prags, are you learning as much under his anglican evangelical tutelage as you did from the old Naki Anglican bishop chap you have extolled previously! You'll need to watch you don't get too (anglican) 'system minded or sanctimonious' in your enthusiasm for them!
What's wrong with being an Anglican? I haven't quite been able to figure out why you're so against another Christian church? They all teach Christ so what is there to be against? Because he is right and has an addiction to being right, such is this addiction he has even spent his life trying to convert people to be like him.......that's why
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Post by snow on Aug 20, 2023 17:28:26 GMT -5
What's wrong with being an Anglican? I haven't quite been able to figure out why you're so against another Christian church? They all teach Christ so what is there to be against? Because he is right and has an addiction to being right, such is this addiction he has even spent his life trying to convert people to be like him.......that's why
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Post by bfvernon on Aug 20, 2023 17:53:00 GMT -5
International Studies, do you actually know anything about the Anglicans? Or is being critical just your uneducated default position?
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2023 19:04:17 GMT -5
pragmatic, mountain and fixit, you are appreciated and liked in this TMB echo chamber!
How do you reckon some of your 'pearlers' (there are hundreds/thousands of them) like:
"Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
would go down in Sunday morning meeting, convention or over a cup of coffee with the workers. Not as well as in the Walter Mitty TMB existence. I'd put my money on that!
Prags appreciating the 'christlikeness' of Ross; as Chuck has of bta. Prags, are you learning as much under his anglican evangelical tutelage as you did from the old Naki Anglican bishop chap you have extolled previously! You'll need to watch you don't get too (anglican) 'system minded or sanctimonious' in your enthusiasm for them!
Reminder: My words that you've added to my dossier are part of a discussion and are disingenuous and misleading when quoted out of context. Do you feel your power as a worker is under threat by people who are not subservient?
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Post by Pragmatic on Aug 20, 2023 19:23:35 GMT -5
pragmatic, mountain and fixit, you are appreciated and liked in this TMB echo chamber!
How do you reckon some of your 'pearlers' (there are hundreds/thousands of them) like:
"Workers should try preaching Jesus only, instead of their man made kingdom. Then their lives wouldn't be wasted. How can we encourage workers to do that, without pulling the rug out from under them?"
would go down in Sunday morning meeting, convention or over a cup of coffee with the workers. Not as well as in the Walter Mitty TMB existence. I'd put my money on that!
Prags appreciating the 'christlikeness' of Ross; as Chuck has of bta. Prags, are you learning as much under his anglican evangelical tutelage as you did from the old Naki Anglican bishop chap you have extolled previously! You'll need to watch you don't get too (anglican) 'system minded or sanctimonious' in your enthusiasm for them!
Reminder: My words that you've added to my dossier are part of a discussion and are disingenuous and misleading when quoted out of context. Do you feel your power as a worker is under threat by people who are not subservient? And what he says and tries to attribute to me with respect to Ross, is a lie, too. I do not understand his obsession with Ross, or you, Chuck or I, Fixit, unless it is as you say, he feels threatened by those not subservient.
And trying to hide behind emojis does not work, it only adds to his sarcastic mindset which manifest itself on here.
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 20, 2023 19:52:49 GMT -5
Dear oh dear oh dear. The "Walter Mitty" attack on Fixit, what a terrible thing for a worker to do, especially to an elder in the same church. And then more sarcasm, in the short time before the Sunday morning meeting. Workers used to tell people to not even have a late night on Saturday, in "preparation for the 'morrow", and now we have this sort of behaviour. What is with this obsession with Fixit, and Ross Bowden. I don't see how this can be legitimately called an attack. InternationalStudies is simply encouraging this elder to be himself, speak freely and live authentically. He understands how exhausting it must be for fixit to have to be hiding behind a mask all the time and pretending to support the workers and their doctrines while secretly harboring totally opposite beliefs. Sure, he's doing it is a very awkward way, but workers don't exactly have sophisticated training. If he was encouraging some young person to come out of the closet as gay or transgender you would be clapping your hands in glee and cheering.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 20:08:51 GMT -5
Reminder: My words that you've added to my dossier are part of a discussion and are disingenuous and misleading when quoted out of context. Do you feel your power as a worker is under threat by people who are not subservient? And what he says and tries to attribute to me with respect to Ross, is a lie, too. I do not understand his obsession with Ross, or you, Chuck or I, Fixit, unless it is as you say, he feels threatened by those not subservient.
And trying to hide behind emojis does not work, it only adds to his sarcastic mindset which manifest itself on here.
You, Ross and Fixit maybe no red flags. The chuckite? Run...
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2023 20:17:13 GMT -5
Dear oh dear oh dear. The "Walter Mitty" attack on Fixit, what a terrible thing for a worker to do, especially to an elder in the same church. And then more sarcasm, in the short time before the Sunday morning meeting. Workers used to tell people to not even have a late night on Saturday, in "preparation for the 'morrow", and now we have this sort of behaviour. What is with this obsession with Fixit, and Ross Bowden. I don't see how this can be legitimately called an attack. InternationalStudies is simply encouraging this elder to be himself, speak freely and live authentically. He understands how exhausting it must be for fixit to have to be hiding behind a mask all the time and pretending to support the workers and their doctrines while secretly harboring totally opposite beliefs. Sure, he's doing it is a very awkward way, but workers don't exactly have sophisticated training. If he was encouraging some young person to come out of the closet as gay or transgender you would be clapping your hands in glee and cheering. As our resident TMB biblical expert you will know the requirements of an elder... 1 Timothy 3:2 Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way, 5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. Titus 1:5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so that you should put in order what remained to be done and should appoint elders in every town, as I directed you: 6 someone who is blameless, married only once, whose children are believers, not accused of debauchery and not rebellious. 7 For a bishop, as God’s steward, must be blameless; he must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or addicted to wine or violent or greedy for gain, 8 but he must be hospitable, a lover of goodness, self-controlled, upright, devout, and restrained, 9 holding tightly to the trustworthy word of the teaching, so that he may be able both to exhort with sound instruction and to refute those who contradict it.
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Post by openingact34 on Aug 21, 2023 0:00:12 GMT -5
I don't see how this can be legitimately called an attack. InternationalStudies is simply encouraging this elder to be himself, speak freely and live authentically. He understands how exhausting it must be for fixit to have to be hiding behind a mask all the time and pretending to support the workers and their doctrines while secretly harboring totally opposite beliefs. Sure, he's doing it is a very awkward way, but workers don't exactly have sophisticated training. If he was encouraging some young person to come out of the closet as gay or transgender you would be clapping your hands in glee and cheering. As our resident TMB biblical expert you will know the requirements of an elder... 1 Timothy 3:2 Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way, 5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may be puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace and the snare of the devil. If you want to go there, OK. I noticed that you stopped before Verse 8, which says that "Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued". Now isn't that just what our TMB worker friend is bellyaching about? And Verse 10 says "Let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless." Wow, Imagine that. Being "tested" by the workers before they will accept you. Reminds me of the descriptions of the Alberta purges on TTT. There, the workers tested the elders and wives with a simple question "Are you prepared to support the Alberta ministry in all of their decisions regarding removal of meetings and removing people from the fellowship? Yes or No?" I bet that was a cakewalk compared to what the Paul, Peter, and the apostles would put their brainwashed followers through. Yep, cult life is hard. I barely survived it, and am still struggling to survive its aftermath and what it's done to my mind. One thing I know: You have to be all in or out.
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Post by Pragmatic on Aug 21, 2023 1:18:42 GMT -5
I was talking to someone in the US over the weekend, who is reasonably "close to the action". He estimated around 2000 have either stopped attending or exited so far, at best guess, since the Dean Bruer debacle.
Does anyone else know if this is about right, or are they "bush telegraph" figures?
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 21, 2023 2:41:10 GMT -5
"We should ask ourselves' is this what Jesus would do in the current mess": Post thousands of times in an echo chamber where liked minded posters like posts? Post such as: If that is how Jesus felt I'm sure he would not in post 17000+ posts in a 'safe' 'risk free' echo chamber TMB environment. (James Thurber's short story "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" comes to mind) 'How can we encourage' such to: To quote persona non grata above: "Action is what gives love meaning"
I think you're weird.
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