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Post by 2003Reader on Aug 4, 2007 12:36:14 GMT -5
I believe some serious question must be asked about this forum.
The StandingTrue group was started by DH and Nat on about 1-27-2002.
The VOT was started in the year of 1996.
The TTT was started around Feb of 1997.
The TMB was started around the the first part of 2003
When was Nathans site started?
People on the standingtrue site have obtains IP from those posting on the TMB and then compared them to their records on the standingtrue site to rid themselves of so called Spies.
At the very start the administrator of the TMB posted his picture. His name was bryan but not the bryan who posts here.
There was a Brian Hilligoss (spelling) who used to be a worker and is an IT guy. He went to VN and then quit the work. I believe he is still posting. Is there a linkage to Nathan? Who knows, but then leaves some very interesting questions open.
The whole point is--What is the purpose of this forum and why does the Admin want to hide?
Why don't they come foward and say why this forum was set up, who they are, and why they felt that they had to create it?
Why do the friends on the StandingTrue site want to hide?groups.yahoo.com/group/standingtrue/Why don't the ST people want to discuss issues which are causing tares in their perfect way?It is this posters opinion since I have been reading from 2003 that this TMB is not what it appears to be.
I would like full disclosure about this forum. I believe Nathan has direct access to this forum and I believe that DH very well may have been one who helped create it.
After all DH was also the one doing all of Nathans website build. HUMMMMMMMMMMMM
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Post by Maybe on Aug 4, 2007 12:52:07 GMT -5
This explains why all the old timers left. Maybe they found out the deceptions also. I don't think it anything to do with nasty posts. Was there not a post a while back which listed a long list of posters IP's. Seems there was like two pages of IPs. Yes what is going on here?
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Post by since on Aug 4, 2007 13:27:59 GMT -5
deception is the name of the game for most 2x2ers - this is not a surprise. If this is, in fact, happening - why? To cause harm or "out" people - where's the love, oh, that's right - 2x2 love is fake and/or conditional. There is evil in this group no matter which way you slice it. The ones in the "know" get what they deserve "what goes around; comes around" and the innocents in the group - I so pray they open their eyes to what's happening and find God/Jesus/Holy Spirit to freedom in His love.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 4, 2007 13:48:00 GMT -5
I believe some serious question must be asked about this forum.
The StandingTrue group was started by DH and Nat on about 1-27-2002.
The VOT was started in the year of 1996.
The TTT was started around Feb of 1997.
The TMB was started around the the first part of 2003
When was Nathans site started?
People on the standingtrue site have obtains IP from those posting on the TMB and then compared them to their records on the standingtrue site to rid themselves of so called Spies.
At the very start the administrator of the TMB posted his picture. His name was bryan but not the bryan who posts here.
There was a Brian Hilligoss (spelling) who used to be a worker and is an IT guy. He went to VN and then quit the work. I believe he is still posting. Is there a linkage to Nathan? Who knows, but then leaves some very interesting questions open.
The whole point is--What is the purpose of this forum and why does the Admin want to hide?
Why don't they come foward and say why this forum was set up, who they are, and why they felt that they had to create it?
Why do the friends on the StandingTrue site want to hide?groups.yahoo.com/group/standingtrue/Why don't the ST people want to discuss issues which are causing tares in their perfect way?It is this posters opinion since I have been reading from 2003 that this TMB is not what it appears to be.
I would like full disclosure about this forum. I believe Nathan has direct access to this forum and I believe that DH very well may have been one who helped create it.
After all DH was also the one doing all of Nathans website build. HUMMMMMMMMMMMM\ The admin of TMB did reveil himself many times but that was much early thou I haven't seen him reveil himself in about a year or more i guess I imagine it is the same one
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Post by Fireman on Aug 4, 2007 13:57:26 GMT -5
The workers have advised the friends to stay away from here.
This was not empty advice.
This was advice given in love.
The friends really do need to stay away from here.
It saddens us to see them here feeding with the dogs.
If they insist on feeding here we have no choice but to remove them from our midst.
How?
We have our ways.
We know what we're doing.
The apostates aren't the only ones who avoid detection.
This seems like an appropriate time for one final warning.
Friends:
Please, please, please, reconsider your presence here.
We beg it of you.
This is no place for a child of God.
Stay away from this place so we can continue to enjoy fellowship with you.
With Love, A Friend in Christ
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Post by An Open Letter on Aug 4, 2007 14:07:20 GMT -5
The workers have advised the friends to stay away from here. This was not empty advice. This was advice given in love. The friends really do need to stay away from here. It saddens us to see them here feeding with the dogs. If they insist on feeding here we have no choice but to remove them from our midst. How? We have our ways. We know what we're doing. The apostates aren't the only ones who avoid detection. This seems like an appropriate time for one final warning. Friends: Please, please, please, reconsider your presence here. We beg it of you. This is no place for a child of God. Stay away from this place so we can continue to enjoy fellowship with you. With Love, A Friend in Christ Seems this is clear. An open letter of people who claim to love God and have the right way but then practise deception and evil. NOPE you are not feeding with dogs. You are the WOLVES.
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Post by All Who on Aug 4, 2007 14:12:31 GMT -5
Post here can do it anonyomously be they registered, guest or even the ADMIN. All can create false profiles. However, the Admin has access to tools to monitor all posters activity and logged IP's. If you don't believe it just check out the proboard main site. You can even go to that wikapee thingy and read articles on what they, the Admin, can do.
So then it the afore mentioned post an admission that they are 2x2s creating the trouble on this site and others. Did not that guy Nat say he was told by God to do this stuff? HUMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by Peacemaker on Aug 4, 2007 14:36:39 GMT -5
"it saddens us to see them feeding here with dogs."
Not a christ-like thing to say about people, calling them dogs, really.
And yet the dogs ate crumbs that fell from the master's table.
We must be very careful in what we say and how we say it or those who use threats on this same site may very well be counted among the dogs that feed here. Use gentle persuasion, not threats, please. God expects it of you.
May God continue to direct our steps in the way He wants us to go.
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Post by apples spoiling the bunch on Aug 4, 2007 14:58:33 GMT -5
The workers have advised the friends to stay away from here. I don't blame them. I would advised friends and ex's to stay away from this site. If it accomplished what it was intended to do (share ideas and debate sanely about differences in beliefs), it would be a pretty neat place. However, some of the posters are so full of hate and anger (and possibly mental problems) that it is not a place that promotes any Christian ideals.
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Post by Apples on Aug 4, 2007 15:10:43 GMT -5
If it accomplished what it was intended to do (share ideas and debate sanely about differences in beliefs), it would be a pretty neat place. However, some of the posters are so full of hate and anger (and possibly mental problems) that it is not a place that promotes any Christian ideals. I don't think I spoiled the bunch. I hardly ever even post here! But while I am here, why does the debate have to be promoting Christian ideals? Why not just discussion about whatever people are concerned about that relate to the 2x2 church? Also, I don't think the administrator's name was ever Bryan. But I do think you have the rhyme right. I will now go back and hide under my bushel.
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Post by Food for thought on Aug 4, 2007 15:19:54 GMT -5
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Post by Ieee on Aug 4, 2007 15:41:02 GMT -5
[/color][/quote] Wink? Spoken from experience?[/quote] Iee I have tell some say Admins name is Ryan. Seems to me though that when the Amins stats with pic was posted it was Brian? No matter still the question is why hide? How can you ask? I don't see an email listed? And the "WINK" does that mean that the Admin is under the authority of the StandingTrue site as the link was related?
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Post by evidence on Aug 4, 2007 15:46:41 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that any current 2x2 posts here ?
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Post by to evidence on Aug 4, 2007 16:21:31 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that any current 2x2 posts here ? I know of only one... and he quit (kind of) a few months ago when "some concerned friends" told the workers and the workers asked him to stop. We can't figure out who the "some concerned friends" were and how they knew (IP tricks?). He told me the only people that knew were his parents (both exs) and me (we're old friends, I'm an ex). He visits once in a while now, but only from his computer at work. Last I knew he just reads, no longer posts.
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Post by no name on Aug 4, 2007 16:32:03 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that any current 2x2 posts here ? I know of only one... and he quit (kind of) a few months ago when "some concerned friends" told the workers and the workers asked him to stop. We can't figure out who the "some concerned friends" were and how they knew (IP tricks?). He told me the only people that knew were his parents (both exs) and me (we're old friends, I'm an ex). He visits once in a while now, but only from his computer at work. Last I knew he just reads, no longer posts. Hmmmm . . . it's my understanding that there's more than just the one you mention.
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Things People should Know
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Post by Things People should Know on Aug 4, 2007 16:49:06 GMT -5
Things others should know May be linked to nested page info. Work on it and have fun.
Snippet Name: IP Logger Snippet Options: Submitted By: XXXX
Description: Logs IP's of page visitors, and saves to a log HTML file. IP's are anchored to dnsstuff.org's City from IP page. Instructions: Can be used within a current page, or added to a site via an IFrame. (maybe other ways to implement too?)
Auto Creates log.html,if file does not exist.
<?php $logfile= '/full_path_to/log.html'; $IP = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']; $logdetails= date("F j, Y, g:i a") . ': ' . '<a href=http://dnsstuff.com/tools/city.ch?ip='.$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].'>'.$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].'</a>'; $fp = fopen($logfile, "a"); fwrite($fp, $logdetails); fwrite($fp, "<br>"); fclose($fp); ?>
Here it is again below-Do you know it is here- Does not do anything but just a warning
<?php $logfile= '/full_path_to/log.html'; $IP = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']; $logdetails= date("F j, Y, g:i a") . ': ' . '<a href=http://dnsstuff.com/tools/city.ch?ip='.$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].'>'.$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].'</a>'; $fp = fopen($logfile, "a"); fwrite($fp, $logdetails); fwrite($fp, "<br>"); fclose($fp); ?>
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Aug 4, 2007 17:13:33 GMT -5
Yes, there are several current 2x2s that I personally know here.
I remember the workers telling us to steer clear of websites like this, but there were also workers who told us not to read other versions of the bible, read Christian self-help books, or use bible chapter summary guides. To me, that's like saying we shouldn't go out in the world because the world will challenge our faith and present different views.
If you are strong in your faith and are guided by God, you shouldn't have a problem.
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Post by in the know on Aug 4, 2007 17:20:57 GMT -5
Is there any evidence that any current 2x2 posts here ? Just Nathan Barker. Of course he's the only known 2x2 existing at all.
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Post by nitro on Aug 4, 2007 17:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by So on Aug 4, 2007 18:31:44 GMT -5
What is TorrentSpy?
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Post by no name on Aug 4, 2007 18:42:09 GMT -5
It's a BitTorrent search engine.
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Post by to Fireman on Aug 4, 2007 19:28:14 GMT -5
Fireman,
Who are you? And by what authority are you making this request? Are you an overseer?
And how do we know that this posting is even "for real": and not just from anyone pretending to have some kind of authority?
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Post by freespirit on Aug 4, 2007 19:30:17 GMT -5
The workers have advised the friends to stay away from here. This was not empty advice. This was advice given in love. The friends really do need to stay away from here. It saddens us to see them here feeding with the dogs. If they insist on feeding here we have no choice but to remove them from our midst. How? We have our ways. We know what we're doing. The apostates aren't the only ones who avoid detection. This seems like an appropriate time for one final warning. Friends: Please, please, please, reconsider your presence here. We beg it of you. This is no place for a child of God. Stay away from this place so we can continue to enjoy fellowship with you. With Love, A Friend in Christ ROTFLOL! Isn't this like a smoker puffing on a cigar while telling his friend that cigars are bad for the friend? *giggles* I agree though that one should not come here to "feed". Nothing should take the place of prayer and meditation and being in the presence of God to gain strength and guidance. peace, freespirit
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Post by Ieee on Aug 4, 2007 19:38:06 GMT -5
Still would like to know the Who, Where and Why. Seems kinda odd that this forum discusses 2x2 issues by yet no one steps up to plate to say why the were compelled to create it. either 2x2 or not created it. So if 2x2 what is the purpose? It would be clear if it was an X to understand they wanted to reveal what other people have experienced or the WI issue. But Then again we see the bert collective and nathans sites which are apologetic to the 2x2s. So what is the secret. Just tell and be done with it. You know Nathan has indicated in more then a few posts that he has access to poster information.
Is Nathan really and X trying to get people to believe in him because he has many ideas contrary to the 2x2's. Maybe Nathan is in with that Gary and Steve. Creepy Thoughts.
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TO Things People should Know
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Post by TO Things People should Know on Aug 4, 2007 21:30:44 GMT -5
Things others should know May be linked to nested page info. Work on it and have fun. Snippet Name: IP Logger Snippet Options: Submitted By: XXXX Description: Logs IP's of page visitors, and saves to a log HTML file. IP's are anchored to dnsstuff.org's City from IP page. Instructions: Can be used within a current page, or added to a site via an IFrame. (maybe other ways to implement too?) Auto Creates log.html,if file does not exist. <?php $logfile= '/full_path_to/log.html'; $IP = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']; $logdetails= date("F j, Y, g:i a") . ': ' . '<a href=http://dnsstuff.com/tools/city.ch?ip='.$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].'>'.$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].'</a>'; $fp = fopen($logfile, "a"); fwrite($fp, $logdetails); fwrite($fp, "<br>"); fclose($fp); ?> Here it is again below-Do you know it is here- Does not do anything but just a warning <?php $logfile= '/full_path_to/log.html'; $IP = $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']; $logdetails= date("F j, Y, g:i a") . ': ' . '<a href=http://dnsstuff.com/tools/city.ch?ip='.$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].'>'.$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].'</a>'; $fp = fopen($logfile, "a"); fwrite($fp, $logdetails); fwrite($fp, "<br>"); fclose($fp); ?>Thank you for sharing this. Nice to think there are people like you that know this kind of thing and use your knowledge to inform others rather than to abuse others. Thank you for your honesty. One question: Does this kind of code do anything when a user loads the page? After all, it's in html (I think?) so wouldn't it get treated as text information rather than code? Thanks again.
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Question from another
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Post by Question from another on Aug 4, 2007 22:33:10 GMT -5
Can cross scripting text be nested into things posted?
I believe this is PHP i.e. HyperText Preprocessor".
Can PHP script be parsed into images?
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Post by Possibility on Aug 4, 2007 23:10:00 GMT -5
It has been mentioned that Nathan has access to information typically only the administrator can see, specifically IP addresses.
Consider another possibility.
Nathan has his own website and in his posts is frequently referencing his website, providing the url, and telling readers to visit his website for more information.
Bert has his own website also and does the same thing.
Anyone visiting either of these sites is giving away their IP address. Active avatars, active images, and embedded scripts may be to blame for some IP address exposure, but browsing habits are likely the biggest culprit.
For those of you concerned about your IP address falling into the hands of the Standing True group, Nathan, Bert, etc., consider staying away from their websites.
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Post by _ on Aug 4, 2007 23:58:22 GMT -5
It has been mentioned that Nathan has access to information typically only the administrator can see, specifically IP addresses. WHO CARES! SO WHAT! ARE YOU KIDDING? WHAT WOULD THEY DO WITH THE IP ADDRESSES? YOU ARE BLOWING SMOKE!
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