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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 20:35:11 GMT -5
Convention - meeting or formal assembly, as of representatives or delegates, for discussion of and action on particular matters of common concern.
(not a necessarily good definition!)
—Synonyms 1. Convention, assembly, conference, convocation name meetings for particular purposes. Convention usually suggests a meeting of delegates representing political, church, social, or fraternal organizations. Assembly usually implies a meeting for a settled or customary purpose, as for discussion, legislation, or participation in a social function. Conference suggests a meeting for consultation and discussion about business or professional problems. Convocation denotes a (church) assembly, the members of which have been summoned for a special purpose; chapel services at some colleges are called convocations. 3. pact, treaty.
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Well okay, here's an example (and remember, the NT is about example, not commandment) Jesus went to a certain mount where there would have been good acoustics, or some such logistical feature. About 10,000 - 15,000 people came to him. They heard him (and probably his disciples and others) talk for three days. This was most likely pre-arranged because the people stayed with Jesus for three days.
And incidentally, many of them didn't have a clue what he was talking about...
As to what this was called in Hebrew or Aramaic, or Greek or Latin, I wouldn't have a clue. But it is fine to call it a convention because it fits the definition above.
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Post by janet on Jul 26, 2007 20:52:30 GMT -5
Convention - meeting or formal assembly, as of representatives or delegates, for discussion of and action on particular matters of common concern.
—Synonyms 1. Convention, assembly, conference, convocation name meetings for particular purposes. Convention usually suggests a meeting of delegates representing political, church, social, or fraternal organizations. Assembly usually implies a meeting for a settled or customary purpose, as for discussion, legislation, or participation in a social function. Conference suggests a meeting for consultation and discussion about business or professional problems. Convocation denotes a (church) assembly, the members of which have been summoned for a special purpose; chapel services at some colleges are called convocations. 3. pact, treaty.
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Well okay, here's an example (and remember, the NT is about example, not commandment) Jesus went to a certain mount where there would have been good acoustics, or some such logistical feature. About 10,000 - 15,000 people came to him. They heard him (and probably his disciples and others) talk for three days. This was most likely pre-arranged because the people stayed with Jesus for three days. And incidentally, many of them didn't have a clue what he was talking about... So you are still trying to sell your stupid ideas 29And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.
32 Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way. So then as an example I have yet to see the lame.blind, maimed healed at any convention. They Glorified the God of Israel in these gatherings because Jesus "God In The Flesh" was doing these things. This was the purpose and part of Jesus Passion. It has no parallel to the F&W's or any other convention of any sort in any Time Period after The Cross. More faulty exegesis.
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Post by WowWow on Jul 26, 2007 20:57:59 GMT -5
Convention - meeting or formal assembly, as of representatives or delegates, for discussion of and action on particular matters of common concern.
—Synonyms 1. Convention, assembly, conference, convocation name meetings for particular purposes. Convention usually suggests a meeting of delegates representing political, church, social, or fraternal organizations. Assembly usually implies a meeting for a settled or customary purpose, as for discussion, legislation, or participation in a social function. Conference suggests a meeting for consultation and discussion about business or professional problems. Convocation denotes a (church) assembly, the members of which have been summoned for a special purpose; chapel services at some colleges are called convocations. 3. pact, treaty.
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Well okay, here's an example (and remember, the NT is about example, not commandment) Jesus went to a certain mount where there would have been good acoustics, or some such logistical feature. About 10,000 - 15,000 people came to him. They heard him (and probably his disciples and others) talk for three days. This was most likely pre-arranged because the people stayed with Jesus for three days. And incidentally, many of them didn't have a clue what he was talking about... So you are still trying to sell your stupid ideas 29And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.
32 Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way. So then as an example I have yet to see the lame.blind, maimed healed at any convention. They Glorified the God of Israel in these gatherings because Jesus "God In The Flesh" was doing these things. This was the purpose and part of Jesus Passion. It has no parallel to the F&W's or any other convention of any sort in any Time Period after The Cross. More faulty exegesis. 45+ posts since 08:56 thyis morning. Now here is a woman posting a lot of words. Tomorrow perhaps she will concentrate on quality rather than quanity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 21:03:04 GMT -5
Greg or Clay is it? I believe Jesus also met with "five hundred" in Acts. As men only were usually counted we might say there were 1500 + men, women and children. Most probably no miracle or healing was done there, either.
The mission to show Israel the Messiah, was over.
The importance of the miracles was to show, to those whose heart wasn't touched, that even to them, Jesus was the Messiah. "Of a truth this is the prophet that should come into the world!" they said before wanting to make him a king.
Certainly there were a few miracles done by the Paul and Peter. By this God showed these men were ordained in Jesus' name. These miracles were few, and got fewer as the First Century progressed.
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Post by janet on Jul 26, 2007 21:03:23 GMT -5
Yeah keep count. I might get a star like all the other fake names the Bert collective uses. Oh my I am going to be a STAR. ;D
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 26, 2007 23:31:34 GMT -5
Conventions are when you herd people into a barn. It's when you buy air-conditioners for cows and when you get all the young workers to give you their money. Uh, huh. I've been to one of those before. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 26, 2007 23:33:34 GMT -5
Convention - meeting or formal assembly, as of representatives or delegates, for discussion of and action on particular matters of common concern.(not a necessarily good definition!) — Synonyms 1. Convention, assembly, conference, convocation name meetings for particular purposes. Convention usually suggests a meeting of delegates representing political, church, social, or fraternal organizations. Assembly usually implies a meeting for a settled or customary purpose, as for discussion, legislation, or participation in a social function. Conference suggests a meeting for consultation and discussion about business or professional problems. Convocation denotes a (church) assembly, the members of which have been summoned for a special purpose; chapel services at some colleges are called convocations. 3. pact, treaty.dictionary.com Well okay, here's an example (and remember, the NT is about example, not commandment) Jesus went to a certain mount where there would have been good acoustics, or some such logistical feature. About 10,000 - 15,000 people came to him. They heard him (and probably his disciples and others) talk for three days. This was most likely pre-arranged because the people stayed with Jesus for three days. And incidentally, many of them didn't have a clue what he was talking about... As to what this was called in Hebrew or Aramaic, or Greek or Latin, I wouldn't have a clue. But it is fine to call it a convention because it fits the definition above. Bert, you fool, We're talking about 2x2 conventions, not what's in a dictionary. Quit word-swapping and go ask your local 2x2 kook worker around to get an answer. Quit making stuff up again. Brad
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Post by ii on Jul 27, 2007 16:36:25 GMT -5
Who started conventions? I don't read about them (conventions) in the Bible. I mean, women washing all the men's dirty laundry and some of them going out to motels at night doing the fishy-wishy? Little kids play meetings. I think conventions are the workers playing "house". Once I found out that the Faith Mission faithmission.org/ had conventions and that's where William Irvine got the idea, then it all made sense. Thank God for William Irvine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Irvine_(Scottish_evangelist) . If I hadn't found out about him, the 2x2s wouldn't make rhyme or reason. Brad of course you don't read about them in the Bible, because you don't know where to look
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Post by oh look on Jul 27, 2007 16:39:09 GMT -5
of course you don't read about them in the Bible, because you don't know where to look oh look, the self-abusing holy man has spoken.
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Post by Shiloh on Jul 27, 2007 19:10:25 GMT -5
Goodness, bert.
You've probably taken one moment to look up "tent" and "meeting" in your concordance without reading the actual scripture in which it occurs.
It begins in Joshua 17 like this:
"Now this was the lot for the tribe of Manasseh, for he was the firstborn of Joseph."
"They came near before Eleazar the priest and before Joshua the son of Nun and before the leaders, saying, "The LORD commanded Moses to give us an inheritance among our brothers." So according to the command of the LORD he gave them an inheritance among their father's brothers."
"Thus there fell ten portions to Manasseh, besides the land of Gilead and Bashan, which is beyond the Jordan..."
etc.
"But the sons of Manasseh could not take possession of these cities, because the Canaanites persisted in living in that land."
"It came about when the sons of Israel became strong, they put the Canaanites to forced labor, but they did not drive them out completely."
"Then the sons of Joseph spoke to Joshua, saying, "Why have you given me only one lot and one portion for an inheritance, since I am a numerous people whom the LORD has thus far blessed?"
"Joshua said to them, "If you are a numerous people, go up to the forest and clear a place for yourself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the Rephaim, since the hill country of Ephraim is too narrow for you."
"The sons of Joseph said, "The hill country is not enough for us, and all the Canaanites who live in the valley land have chariots of iron, both those who are in Beth-shean and its towns and those who are in the valley of Jezreel."
"Joshua spoke to the house of Joseph, to Ephraim and Manasseh, saying, "You are a numerous people and have great power; you shall not have one lot only,
but the hill country shall be yours. For though it is a forest, you shall clear it, and to its farthest borders it shall be yours; for you shall drive out the Canaanites, even though they have chariots of iron and though they are strong."
"Then the whole congregation of the sons of Israel assembled themselves at Shiloh, and set up the tent of meeting there; and the land was subdued before them."
"There remained among the sons of Israel seven tribes who had not divided their inheritance."
"So Joshua said to the sons of Israel, "How long will you put off entering to take possession of the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, has given you?"
"Provide for yourselves three men from each tribe that I may send them, and that they may arise and walk through the land and write a description of it according to their inheritance; then they shall return to me."
"They shall divide it into seven portions; Judah shall stay in its territory on the south, and the house of Joseph shall stay in their territory on the north."
"You shall describe the land in seven divisions, and bring the description here to me. I will cast lots for you here before the LORD our God."
"Then the men arose and went, and Joshua commanded those who went to describe the land, saying, "Go and walk through the land and describe it, and return to me; then I will cast lots for you here before the LORD in Shiloh."
"So the men went and passed through the land, and described it by cities in seven divisions in a book; and they came to Joshua to the camp at Shiloh."
"And Joshua cast lots for them in Shiloh before the LORD, and there Joshua divided the land to the sons of Israel according to their divisions."
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Post by Shiloh on Jul 27, 2007 19:12:18 GMT -5
The "tent of meeting" was NOT a 2x2 meeting tent.
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 27, 2007 19:18:19 GMT -5
speaking of shiloh...... where is my dancing babylove when i need her, which as she has pointed out to me so clearly, is all the rumpy pumpyin time?
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Post by Fed Five Thousand on Jul 27, 2007 19:29:03 GMT -5
bert.
The occasion where Jesus fed the five thousand was not a convention.
It was following the beheading of John the Baptist.
Matthew 14 states:
"He sent and had John beheaded in the prison."
"And his head was brought on a platter and given to the girl, and she brought it to her mother."
"His disciples came and took away the body and buried it; and they went and reported to Jesus."
"Now when Jesus heard about John, He withdrew from there in a boat to a secluded place by Himself; and when the people heard of this, they followed Him on foot from the cities." "When He went ashore, He saw a large crowd, and felt compassion for them and healed their sick."
"When it was evening, the disciples came to Him and said, "This place is desolate and the hour is already late; so send the crowds away, that they may go into the villages and buy food for themselves."
"But Jesus said to them, "They do not need to go away; you give them something to eat!" "
"They said to Him, "We have here only five loaves and two fish." "
"And He said, "Bring them here to Me." "
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 27, 2007 19:36:06 GMT -5
i want some. i'm hungry.
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Post by To DYWM on Jul 27, 2007 19:44:34 GMT -5
Thanks - I now can't get that song out of my head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 19:56:50 GMT -5
Shiloh means different things in different places of the bible. Curiously, in one place it refer to the Messiah.
But I am refering to Shiloh as the place for a yearly convocation (where the Ark of the Covenant rested.)
Judges 2 1:19 "Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly"
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1 Sam 1:3 "this man went up out of his city yearly to worship and to sacrifice unto the LORD of hosts in Shiloh"
At other times there was the annual convocation in Jerusalem.
Gathering together on an annual basis was common, if not necessary, in the Old Testament. Clearly there was no Shiloh or Jerusalem for the Christian community, but we still read of them gathering. It is obvious by the sheer numbers of people, or duration of their gathering, that this wasn't the typical Sunday morning home service.
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 27, 2007 20:18:23 GMT -5
Thanks - I now can't get that song out of my head. well hop up on stage and dance with me. you can't start a fire, worried about your little world falling apart, this guns for hire, even if we're just dancing in the dark.
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 28, 2007 3:21:58 GMT -5
still on topic - Jdg 21:19 Then they said, Behold, [there is] a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly [in a place] which [is] on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah. Jdg 21:20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; Jdg 21:21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin. Jdg 21:22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, [that] ye should be guilty. thats a topic i'd like to discuss right there, God. his wife his wife- it does not say,"catch you every man your wife..." it is there, plain as day folks.. and thats who i'm going to catch : his wife... (and when her daddy comes complaining, you all tell him to be favourable to me, ty )
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Post by ii on Jul 28, 2007 4:44:24 GMT -5
of course you don't read about them in the Bible, because you don't know where to look oh look, the self-abusing holy man has spoken.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 28, 2007 12:39:34 GMT -5
Goodness, bert. You've probably taken one moment to look up "tent" and "meeting" in your concordance without reading the actual scripture in which it occurs. It begins in Joshua 17 like this: "Now this was the lot for the tribe of Manasseh, for he was the firstborn of Joseph." "They came near before Eleazar the priest and before Joshua the son of Nun and before the leaders, saying, "The LORD commanded Moses to give us an inheritance among our brothers." So according to the command of the LORD he gave them an inheritance among their father's brothers." "Thus there fell ten portions to Manasseh, besides the land of Gilead and Bashan, which is beyond the Jordan..." etc. "But the sons of Manasseh could not take possession of these cities, because the Canaanites persisted in living in that land." "It came about when the sons of Israel became strong, they put the Canaanites to forced labor, but they did not drive them out completely." "Then the sons of Joseph spoke to Joshua, saying, "Why have you given me only one lot and one portion for an inheritance, since I am a numerous people whom the LORD has thus far blessed?" "Joshua said to them, "If you are a numerous people, go up to the forest and clear a place for yourself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the Rephaim, since the hill country of Ephraim is too narrow for you." "The sons of Joseph said, "The hill country is not enough for us, and all the Canaanites who live in the valley land have chariots of iron, both those who are in Beth-shean and its towns and those who are in the valley of Jezreel." "Joshua spoke to the house of Joseph, to Ephraim and Manasseh, saying, "You are a numerous people and have great power; you shall not have one lot only, but the hill country shall be yours. For though it is a forest, you shall clear it, and to its farthest borders it shall be yours; for you shall drive out the Canaanites, even though they have chariots of iron and though they are strong." "Then the whole congregation of the sons of Israel assembled themselves at Shiloh, and set up the tent of meeting there; and the land was subdued before them.""There remained among the sons of Israel seven tribes who had not divided their inheritance." "So Joshua said to the sons of Israel, "How long will you put off entering to take possession of the land which the LORD, the God of your fathers, has given you?" "Provide for yourselves three men from each tribe that I may send them, and that they may arise and walk through the land and write a description of it according to their inheritance; then they shall return to me." "They shall divide it into seven portions; Judah shall stay in its territory on the south, and the house of Joseph shall stay in their territory on the north." "You shall describe the land in seven divisions, and bring the description here to me. I will cast lots for you here before the LORD our God." "Then the men arose and went, and Joshua commanded those who went to describe the land, saying, "Go and walk through the land and describe it, and return to me; then I will cast lots for you here before the LORD in Shiloh." "So the men went and passed through the land, and described it by cities in seven divisions in a book; and they came to Joshua to the camp at Shiloh." "And Joshua cast lots for them in Shiloh before the LORD, and there Joshua divided the land to the sons of Israel according to their divisions." That's hilarious. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 28, 2007 12:40:46 GMT -5
Shiloh means different things in different places of the bible. Curiously, in one place it refer to the Messiah. But I am refering to Shiloh as the place for a yearly convocation (where the Ark of the Covenant rested.) Judges 2 1:19 "Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly"and 1 Sam 1:3 "this man went up out of his city yearly to worship and to sacrifice unto the LORD of hosts in Shiloh"At other times there was the annual convocation in Jerusalem. Gathering together on an annual basis was common, if not necessary, in the Old Testament. Clearly there was no Shiloh or Jerusalem for the Christian community, but we still read of them gathering. It is obvious by the sheer numbers of people, or duration of their gathering, that this wasn't the typical Sunday morning home service. July 4th happens yearly too. I wonder if that's convention? Oh, wait, July 4th isn't in the Bible. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 28, 2007 12:41:48 GMT -5
Shiloh means different things in different places of the bible. Curiously, in one place it refer to the Messiah. But I am refering to Shiloh as the place for a yearly convocation (where the Ark of the Covenant rested.) Judges 2 1:19 "Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly"and 1 Sam 1:3 "this man went up out of his city yearly to worship and to sacrifice unto the LORD of hosts in Shiloh"At other times there was the annual convocation in Jerusalem. Gathering together on an annual basis was common, if not necessary, in the Old Testament. Clearly there was no Shiloh or Jerusalem for the Christian community, but we still read of them gathering. It is obvious by the sheer numbers of people, or duration of their gathering, that this wasn't the typical Sunday morning home service. Bert, Did you read about home services on Sundays in OT too? Brad
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Post by janet on Jul 28, 2007 13:35:33 GMT -5
THE FIRST WORKERS CONVENTIONSumerian Hominization PALEOLITHIC COMPLEX Small (25 or so) nomadic hunting, fishing, & gathering bands of loosely bound, voluntary aggregates of a few families, with occasional reunions of several allied bands for religious ceremonies and mate exchange. A complex of cosmogonic myths including the primordial waters and a Creator who “retrieves” the World from the waters. Origin myths, most particularly of animals and fire. The idea of a bridge (often a rainbow) to the otherworld, the sacrality of the Sky as the home of deity, and the idea of a Center of the World (world order, later World Tree) The Workers were the head huntos. They got first pick of were to sit around the fire and kill of the day. He He ;D
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 28, 2007 18:35:18 GMT -5
janet, its still not to late... just exercise those facial muscles into a smile....hurry up before it gets stuck like that !!
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 28, 2007 18:42:29 GMT -5
still on topic - Jdg 21:19 Then they said, Behold, [there is] a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly [in a place] which [is] on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah. Jdg 21:20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; Jdg 21:21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin. Jdg 21:22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, [that] ye should be guilty. thats a topic i'd like to discuss right there, God. his wife his wife- it does not say,"catch you every man your wife..." it is there, plain as day folks.. and thats who i'm going to catch : his wife... (and when her daddy comes complaining, you all tell him to be favourable to me, ty ) i should get some kind of a reward for coming up with that, shouldn't i?
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 29, 2007 2:18:47 GMT -5
nobody has a sense of humor... not one response.... everything is bottling up in me.... thats not good, either. lose yourself to the music, the moment, you own it, you better never let it go...you only get one shot do not miss your chance to blow ....this opportunity comes once in a lifetime..... ....no more games i'm gonna change what you call rage and tear this mutharumpy pumpyin roof off like two dogs cage i was playing in the beginning, the mood all changed, i been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage..... guess i'll play some music... www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-IKYZuUBRcsigh lmao... anyone that went to buttonwillow #2 during the years 1970 thru 1976 and sat in the dining tent: i filled your cup with water.
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Post by wonder on Jul 29, 2007 16:48:45 GMT -5
lmao... anyone that went to buttonwillow #2 during the years 1970 thru 1976 and sat in the dining tent: i filled your cup with water. I sure hope that are all okay. You might not want to confess your whereabouts and doings. Is that Sam the dog barking in the background?
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Post by Shiloh on Jul 29, 2007 21:16:52 GMT -5
bert, bert, bert.
...On the fifteenth day of this seventh month is the Festival of Sukkot, seven days for the LORD. -Leviticus 23:34
Sukkot. Feast of the Tabernacles. (Still not a 2x2 convention).
The festival of Sukkot is instituted in Leviticus 23:33 et seq.
No work is permitted on the first and second days of the holiday.
Work is permitted on the remaining days.
These intermediate days on which work is permitted are referred to as Chol Ha-Mo'ed, as are the intermediate days of Passover.
Sukkah = tent or booth.
You will dwell in booths for seven days; all natives of Israel shall dwell in booths. -Leviticus 23:42
Sukkot commemorates the forty-year period during which the children of Israel were wandering in the desert, living in temporary shelters.
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