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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 19, 2007 21:45:56 GMT -5
I got off the phone today with another foolish 2x2. First, they fraudelently obtain my social security number. Then they open an credit account, forging my signature. And they put their own address on the account! duhhh Then they buy stuff. Then they don't pay the bill? ? Then they call in and claim to be my WIFE (I've never married) So I get a call from a collections agency. I tell them I've never opened an account and that there's some mistake. I found out. I put a fraud alert on my record. I talk to the company that issued the credit to the person. I confront the 2x2 who did it, and they deny setting up the account. Then they agree to talk to the company about it. The call is recorded for security purposes and they LIE to the company. Hellloo, it is recorded. They agree to file out the form the company is going to send them and get it notarized. I tell the company person on the phone while the 2x2 is listening that they have just been lied to. The 2x2 calls me back later and complains because their fraud is on my record? ?? Helloo? Now I'm waiting for the credit agency to verify with the company that it was fraud and take it off my report. To top it all off, this 2x2 is going to be applying for a state issued license and will have to lie on the application to get it. Hellooooooo? ? They're messing with the wrong dude2x2 = liar = strong 2x2 = compulsive liar Ever wonder why I don't like the worker's way? Hmmmmmmm If it wasn't so sad, it would be even more funny. I think they should have a show called World's Most Foolish 2x2sBrad
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Post by _ on Jul 19, 2007 22:34:20 GMT -5
Brad,
Why do you assume that such actions are due to their relationship to the Friends and Worker's church?
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 19, 2007 23:03:49 GMT -5
Brad, Why do you assume that such actions are due to their relationship to the Friends and Worker's church? Bryan from Alaska, I'm not assuming. Have you ever read the "TMB" before? Have you ever read the pages and pages of documentation of foolishness of 2x2s? Have you ever thought that deceiving people and lieing isn't really a good idea because of that day known as the judgment day? Have you ever thought...Yes, Have you ever thought about it? Brad
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Post by most foolish exe on Jul 20, 2007 3:54:09 GMT -5
Now, lets find the world's most foolish exe Any suggestions Brad?
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Post by las logged out on Jul 20, 2007 10:04:25 GMT -5
It is easier to say the heck with checking out the 2x2 group I think this is what many 2x2s do they just can't be bothered cause it takes great effort to check things out...It is far easier just to say within ones self i belong to the only way eh?
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Post by _ on Jul 20, 2007 11:59:04 GMT -5
Bryan from Alaska, I'm not assuming. Yes.... you are... Since it was created... I have not read one page that has documented the "foolishness of 2x2s" The mistake you make is to believe such actions are the result of their relationship to the Friends and Worker's fellowship... Just as others have made the mistake that black people are all thieves who want to rape our white women... You are no different in your hate towards the Friends and Workers...
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 20, 2007 14:49:55 GMT -5
Just because someone is a 2x2 doesn't mean they are dishonest. There are these sort of people in every religion and non-religion, sadly enough.
While I don't agree with the belief system, I wouldn't say that my Dad, Mom, or even me, when I was inside, were dishonest people. Blind, sure. Dishonest? No.
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Post by _ on Jul 20, 2007 14:59:49 GMT -5
Just because someone is a 2x2 doesn't mean they are dishonest. It's like saying mexicans are lazy... or that black people like fried chicken... In other context, we would view brad as a racist... That's not enough for brad... I truly believe he views the Friends and Workers as somehow less then human... as some sort of evil group of trolls who want to suck your blood and make you go to meetings forever... His twisted mindset warps his perception of the 2x2s to the point that reality and truth is irrelevant... the only thing that matters is his deep hate for their very beings... Brad is to 2x2s as the godhatesfags people are to Christians...
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Post by pumpkin on Jul 20, 2007 15:53:49 GMT -5
Brad, Brad, Pumpkin eater,
Had a WIFE but couldn't keep her.
OH! Sorry!
It was Peter, not Brad.
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Post by las logged out on Jul 20, 2007 15:54:29 GMT -5
To Brad Just look at the workers and friends as victums themselves
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 20, 2007 22:29:24 GMT -5
I'm noticing another doctrine floating around. "Only intentions count, ignore God's word" and "People who tell the truth are to be scorned" Another ~~~ wave ~~~~passing through the 2x2 cult. I especially liked Bryan's post. He can never be wrong. Why? Because he's not and that's that. ("Don't try to sway my opinion with your facts") Brad
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 20, 2007 23:17:14 GMT -5
Brad, there is a way to state your opinion and facts on biblical beliefs without going into attack mode. I've "said" it before and I'll say it again. A gentle answer turns away wrath. When you attack others and their beliefs instead of openly discussing it in a calm, kind manner, you put them on the defense, and, more often than not, they close their hearts and minds off from you. I believe you are a man who is very passionate about Christ, but to those who are in the 2x2 religion, you come across as a hateful ex, instead of someone who genuinely cares about their souls and wants to help them see the Light, Truth, and Way that is Christ.
The message you have to share cannot be dropped in people's laps. It is something that you have gently reveal to most. It took me time to see, and I know that, had someone approached it the way you have, I would have run further into the 2x2 religion. (In fact, that's exactly what happened when I was in my mid-teens.)
When people show love, gentleness, and compassion, instead of anger and hatred, it opens the hearts of those who are lost.
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Post by _ on Jul 21, 2007 1:12:55 GMT -5
I I especially liked Bryan's post. He can never be wrong. Why? Because he's not and that's that. ("Don't try to sway my opinion with your facts") Brad What facts have you listed on here brad? That the friends are rotten apples? That all the friends lack reason? That the workers are fecal matter? That the friends are fools? That the friends are low lifes? That the friends are more foolish then a box of rocks? These are from your posts brad... So let's talk about them facts brad...
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 21, 2007 16:57:03 GMT -5
I I especially liked Bryan's post. He can never be wrong. Why? Because he's not and that's that. ("Don't try to sway my opinion with your facts") Brad What facts have you listed on here brad? That the friends are rotten apples? That all the friends lack reason? That the workers are fecal matter? That the friends are fools? That the friends are low lifes? That the friends are more foolish then a box of rocks? These are from your posts brad... So let's talk about them facts brad... Bryan, You too are a compulsive liar. You are the one that is a rock short of a full box. Please don't address me in your messages. If you don't know the answer to your questions, ask your pastor or wife. Brad:)
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Post by I believe Brad on Jul 21, 2007 17:42:49 GMT -5
I have to agree with Brad. I never do any kind of business with "friends' from the meetings.
It is a fact of psychology that people raised in "shame" based religions are less honest and trust worthy than those raised in "guilt" based religions. People who learn to act a certain way based on shame typically are most concerned about getting caught..not about being clean before god. i.e. I was always told---don't wear pants---why not? Wouldn't you be ashamed if the sister workers saw you in pants?
So all you care about is being seen and what men think. Not a good way to raise children. In college I met reeal Christians--and finally found out about sin and what good people believe. thank God for that!
Brad, I recommend you prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
Hey--you aren't married? I remember when you went out in the work---all the young girls were squealing about how cute you were (you are a very handsome man). I figured they would be all over you when you left---I guess the fact that your eyes have been opened a bit makes them a little nervous....
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Post by Stefan on Jul 21, 2007 18:15:14 GMT -5
Brad,
If what you say really did happen, that is a seriously messed up person regardless of what religion they currently claim to be in.
For you to say that it is 2x2 related is another one of your foolish and ignorant statements. As others have pointed out, your statement that 2x2's are all liars is the same mentality that racists have.
Just because you are a hating, angry and emotionally unstable person does not mean that all ex's (and ex-workers) are. Your behavior only reflects on the man in the mirror.
Cheers.
Stefan
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Post by _ on Jul 21, 2007 20:33:20 GMT -5
Bryan, You too are a compulsive liar. You are the one that is a rock short of a full box. Please don't address me in your messages. If you don't know the answer to your questions, ask your pastor or wife. Brad:) Brad, I will create a new thread regarding your accusation that I am a compulsive liar. The thread I replied to your accusation is professing.proboards15.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1185068756
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Post by wondering on Jul 21, 2007 22:07:26 GMT -5
I got off the phone today with another foolish 2x2....Brad Why would you talk on the phone with this person? Is this person a family member?
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Post by Totally Whacked Out on Jul 22, 2007 2:45:22 GMT -5
That would be Totally whacked out. A family member (perhaps a cousin?!?!?! Who is VERY VERY GREEDY!!!!) filling out for money and saying she is your wife......
Talk about some pretty messed up people...
PROSECUTE TO THE FULLEST OF THE LAW... FRAUD is a crime.... EVEN BETTER IF THEY GET JAIL TIME.....
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Post by Someone on Jul 22, 2007 10:38:20 GMT -5
3 things that rules most of the 2x2 heart. That is
-LOVE -MONEY -POWER!!!
2x2 moto - "Ill screw you over" 2x2 rules of engagement - Win the crowd then Screw at person first
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Post by someone else on Jul 22, 2007 10:42:50 GMT -5
3 things that rules most of the 2x2 heart. That is -LOVE -MONEY -POWER!!! 2x2 moto - "Ill screw you over" 2x2 rules of engagement - Win the crowd then Screw at person first Sounds like more racist mentality to me. Only an ignorant person would lump an entire group like this. Pathetic.
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Post by Lack of decent role models on Jul 22, 2007 11:06:17 GMT -5
I do not believe all 2 by 2's are liars and cheaters. Or out to hurt people intentionally.
I do believe they do not have very good role models though.
They are not taught to love each other properly, or to hold other members in higher esteem then themselves. They are taught to look out for themselves. Though this is often though of as a good and decent thing (for one to look out for themselves), it is not a Christian characteristic.
When you grow up in a group that is rift with hurtful characteristics that are not brought to lite or dealt with. The group becomes dysfunctional and divisive. IF the members really loved the church, and those in the church, they would bring to light the harmfulness of things such as gossip (which gods hates, and is a destroyer of fellowship and the church), workers worshiping or holding people in high esteem (when we should esteem each other all equally), lack of authenticity (people wearing a mask for fear they will be looked down on for the failures), etc.
All these things lead to dysfunctional christians. Instead of dealing with the problems.... It brews problems.
Because many things are swept under the rug. Members begin to believe the "As long as you do not get caught then it is ok mentality' which is a sad sad thing.
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Post by Someone on Jul 22, 2007 11:18:11 GMT -5
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Sounds like more racist mentality to me. Only an ignorant person would lump an entire group like this. Pathetic. [/quote]
Okay. If I say 1% of the 2x2 is like this. Do you feel better? What does it matter? The bottom like is. We are supposed to preach "love one another".... not rob one another, and fraud especially your own brother. Do you agree?
One bad apple spoils the barrel. Take the apple out and treat it. Do you agree?
Well then!!
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Post by agree on Jul 22, 2007 11:41:13 GMT -5
A small percentage of the 2 x 2's lack integrity. They will bum cars to innocent-trusting people. They will molest other professing men's wives. because "it won't cause a divorce". They will groom and entice innocent children into sexual relationships.
The WORST part of this whole mess is that others cover it up. The victim is made the scape-goat, vilified and often leaves meetings-if they bring the crime to light- unless they are a worldling and they certainly won't want to be one of God's elect after that example. The rank and file of the knowing 2 x 2's cover up for the errant ones by saying, none are perfect but God, we are imperfect but one day we shall become like Jesus, we are perfection in the making, God's way is perfect but his people are not. Sometimes the word gets around, in my experience, that sort of junk is held secret, so that the perp. can dupe others into buying a junk car, being molested, having your child groomed to be the next victim.
Brad, go to the law. Identity fraud is a punishable crime. Do NOT let them off the hook. Don't cover their crime, coming to the board is not enough-go to the law.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
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Post by Stefan on Jul 22, 2007 12:48:54 GMT -5
Okay. If I say 1% of the 2x2 is like this. Do you feel better? What does it matter? The bottom like is. We are supposed to preach "love one another".... not rob one another, and fraud especially your own brother. Do you agree? One bad apple spoils the barrel. Take the apple out and treat it. Do you agree? Well then!! Maybe 1% of all people are like that, not just 2x2's. Don't you understand that attributing something to a whole group of people based on one account (or even a few accounts) is invalid? I agree, go treat the bad apple. If what Brad says is true (and I think most of us have learned to treat ANYTHING that Brad says as suspect based on his pattern of anger and wild accusations), then the person needs to be prosecuted. I can't imagine that anyone would disagree with that. However, projecting one person's alleged behavior to a whole group of people is absolute ignorance.
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 22, 2007 14:30:18 GMT -5
If you feel that "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch" then that pretty much applies to Christians in general.
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Post by Repeat To Brad on Jul 23, 2007 3:09:39 GMT -5
Why would you talk on the phone with this person?
Is this person a family member?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Jul 23, 2007 3:15:56 GMT -5
lack of decent role models...while I don't agree with your post, and I was never taught to look out for only myself, but to rather treat others as I would be treated and to help as much as possible when I was in this religion.....I much appreciate the way you broached the subject. You weren't insulting and that's much appreciated. As Linda said recently, Bradley's (and others') tactics only serve to put those who are not against the 2x2 religion on the defensive and/or to cause more bad feelings.
Actually, I don't agree with pretty much most of your post...aside from the first line or so. I was also taught that God sees all and it's bad whether or not you're caught at all. I don't know of *anyone* who was taught what you wrote. AT any rate, thank you for the way in which you put your message across. Breath of fresh air. M.
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