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Post by nathan on Dec 4, 2019 19:43:04 GMT -5
So are the Workers teaching in line with Jesus as far as him living in Venus nathan ? Yes I know you do,that is why I question why you even belong to the 2x2 church ! These revelations and beliefs are progressive. First becoming a Strinworm and then the rest follows on. ** That is what I have been TRYING to SHARE with you folks for 10 yrs! They ALL going together ANF fit like hands in the gloves.
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Post by nathan on Dec 4, 2019 19:45:47 GMT -5
Why o' why did they keep it from us? Why did they not tell us? For years I firmly believed we had no name. We did refer to ourselves as 'The Meetings,' or the Truth or The Way. Now I learn we had a real name after all. The Church with no name, is actually called The Sunday Trinity Worship Meetings! Can anyone please answer me....why didn't they tell us? Why did they keep it from us? Why did they find it necessary to hide their name? How often in the past I deflected names like Cooneyites when people tried to label us. Dippers, Tramps, etc. All well fielded because we didn't take a name. Why, why, why, did they keep it from us. The Sunday Trinity Worship Meetings! Shhh I heard they were closet RCC's.... ** Most people DO NOT know or understand the RCC history and doctrines. Therefore, they come up with all kinds of false ideas, opinion and interpretation of things. Most of the early days workers and the current workers and the friends had no clue the existence or Who were the Vaudois and their belief. They missed out the biggest link of God's TRUE church to now.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2019 21:52:59 GMT -5
Shhh I heard they were closet RCC's.... ** Most people DO NOT know or understand the RCC history and doctrines. Therefore, they come up with all kinds of false ideas, opinion and interpretation of things. Most of the early days workers and the current workers and the friends had no clue the existence or Who were the Vaudois and their belief. They missed out the biggest link of God's TRUE church to now. According to the Church of nathan !!
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2019 21:54:39 GMT -5
Well, thanks for your kind words, I try to search these things very carefully. Time will prove MOST of what I have posted on TMB are TRUE and will come to PASS. I give the credit to the Godhead= Trinity/Triune God-Father, Christ and Holy Spirit for revealing these understanding and revelation to me to share with others. To prepare what is coming! on the earth.
I hope and pray people will take it seriously to search and study these things out for themselves by praying to the Godhead to reveal these things to them.
OMG .....😳😜😜😜😄😄😄 Goodness me where would the F&Ws be without nathan !!! I wonder where all the people that professed before nathan was even born survived ......or maybe they were all wrong !!! Strange that God couldn't reveal all these things to the early Workers ....but did to nathan !!!
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 13:31:01 GMT -5
Shhh I heard they were closet RCC's.... ** Most people DO NOT know or understand the RCC history and doctrines. Therefore, they come up with all kinds of false ideas, opinion and interpretation of things. Most of the early days workers and the current workers and the friends had no clue the existence or Who were the Vaudois and their belief. They missed out the biggest link of God's TRUE church to now. The Vaudois or Waldensians were CatholiHONKYTONK-HOEDOWN-WHOOPTYDOOil they got excommunicated. They believed in infant baptism, and transubstantiation. Your church does not. edit. Okay why can I not say 'Catholics' until they got excommunicated. What swear word does the combination of 'Catholics until' make?
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Post by nathan on Dec 5, 2019 15:27:59 GMT -5
** Most people DO NOT know or understand the RCC history and doctrines. Therefore, they come up with all kinds of false ideas, opinion and interpretation of things. Most of the early days workers and the current workers and the friends had no clue the existence or Who were the Vaudois and their belief. They missed out the biggest link of God's TRUE church to now. The Vaudois or Waldensians were CatholiHONKYTONK-HOEDOWN-WHOOPTYDOOil they got excommunicated. They believed in infant baptism, and transubstantiation. Your church does not. edit. Okay why can I not say 'Catholics' until they got excommunicated. What swear word does the combination of 'Catholics until' make? You are mistaken! The Vaudois were converts of Paul When he was in Rome as a prisoner in 67 A.D. These converts of Paul kept and practice Jesus and Paul teachings the New Test. 2x2 ministry and Godhead/TRINITY worship Sunday celebration of God the Father, Jesus their Savior and Holy Spirit. I have the Vaudois arrival of Faith, history, belief and teaching the whole nine yards.
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 15:44:58 GMT -5
The Vaudois or Waldensians were CatholiHONKYTONK-HOEDOWN-WHOOPTYDOOil they got excommunicated. They believed in infant baptism, and transubstantiation. Your church does not. edit. Okay why can I not say 'Catholics' until they got excommunicated. What swear word does the combination of 'Catholics until' make? You are mistaken! The Vaudois were converts of Paul When he was in Rome as a prisoner in 67 A.D. These converts of Paul kept and practice Jesus and Paul teachings the New Test. 2x2 ministry and Godhead/TRINITY worship Sunday celebration of God the Father, Jesus their Savior and Holy Spirit. I have the Vaudois arrival of Faith, history, belief and teaching the whole nine yards. Nathan you know that's not true. Waldo himself went to the Pope several times pleading with the Pope to be able to preach his version of ministry about poverty. The Pope refused to allow Waldo and his men preach under the Catholic label and in the end because Waldo was not quitting bothering the Pope with his request, the Pope excommunicated them. Below is their Confession of Faith: It in no way resembles the 2x2 group and they actually say in it that they believe in the one Church, Catholic, Holy, Apostolic and Immaculate apart from which no man can be saved. It was only after the excommunication of this group that their dogma started to change. So it's not true that they followed Paul from the beginning. They were all Catholics, wanted to remain Catholics until they were excommunicated. WALDO ("Valdesius") CONFESSION OF FAITH :
"In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and of the Blessed and Ever-Virgin Mary. Be it noted by all the faithful that I, Valdesius, and all my brethren, standing before the Holy Gospels, do declare that we believe with all our hearts, having been grasped by faith, that we profess openly that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons, one God....
"We firmly believe and explicitly declare that the incarnation of the Divinity did not take place in the Father and the Holy Spirit, but solely in the Son, so that he who was the divine Son of God the Father was also true man from his Mother.
"We believe one Church, Catholic, Holy, Apostolic and Immaculate, apart from which no one can be saved, and in the sacraments therein administered through the invisible and incomprehensible power of the Holy Spirit, sacraments which may be rightly administered by a sinful priest....
"We firmly believe in the judgment to come and in the fact that each man will receive reward or punishment according to what he has done in this flesh. We do not doubt the fact that alms, sacrifice, and other charitable acts are able to be of assistance to those who die.
"And since, according to the Apostle James, faith without works is dead, we have renounced this world and have distributed to the poor all that we possess, according to the will of God, and we have decided that we ourselves should be poor in such a way as not to be careful for the morrow, and to accept from no one gold, silver, or anything else, with the exception of raiment and daily food. We have set before ourselves the objective of fulfilling the Gospel counsels as precepts.
"We believe that anyone in this age who keeps to a proper life, giving alms and doing other good works from his own possessions and observing the precepts from the Lord, can be saved.
"We make this declaration in order that if anyone should come to you affirming that he is one of us, you may know for certain that he is not one of us if he does not profess this same faith." [12]
In a statement of faith submitted to the bishop of Albano, Peter Waldo affirmed his belief in transubstantiation, prayers for the dead, and infant baptism. [13] The famed Baptist historian A.H. Newman drew the only conclusion warranted by the evidence.
"Waldo and his early followers had more in common with...Roman Catholicism than with any evangelical party. His views of life and doctrine were scarcely in advance of many earnest Catholics of the time." [14]
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Post by nathan on Dec 5, 2019 15:56:39 GMT -5
You are mistaken! The Vaudois were converts of Paul When he was in Rome as a prisoner in 67 A.D. These converts of Paul kept and practice Jesus and Paul teachings the New Test. 2x2 ministry and Godhead/TRINITY worship Sunday celebration of God the Father, Jesus their Savior and Holy Spirit. I have the Vaudois arrival of Faith, history, belief and teaching the whole nine yards. Nathan you know that's not true. Waldo himself went to the Pope several times pleading with the Pope to be able to preach his version of ministry about poverty. The Pope refused to allow Waldo and his men preach under the Catholic label and in the end because Waldo was not quitting bothering the Pope with his request, the Pope excommunicated them. Below is their Confession of Faith: It in no way resembles the 2x2 group and they actually say in it that they believe in the one Church, Catholic, Holy, Apostolic and Immaculate apart from which no man can be saved. It was only after the excommunication of this group that their dogma started to change. So it's not true that they followed Paul from the beginning. They were all Catholics, wanted to remain Catholics until they were excommunicated. WALDO ("Valdesius") CONFESSION OF FAITH :
"In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and of the Blessed and Ever-Virgin Mary. Be it noted by all the faithful that I, Valdesius, and all my brethren, standing before the Holy Gospels, do declare that we believe with all our hearts, having been grasped by faith, that we profess openly that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons, one God....
"We firmly believe and explicitly declare that the incarnation of the Divinity did not take place in the Father and the Holy Spirit, but solely in the Son, so that he who was the divine Son of God the Father was also true man from his Mother.
"We believe one Church, Catholic, Holy, Apostolic and Immaculate, apart from which no one can be saved, and in the sacraments therein administered through the invisible and incomprehensible power of the Holy Spirit, sacraments which may be rightly administered by a sinful priest....
"We firmly believe in the judgment to come and in the fact that each man will receive reward or punishment according to what he has done in this flesh. We do not doubt the fact that alms, sacrifice, and other charitable acts are able to be of assistance to those who die.
"And since, according to the Apostle James, faith without works is dead, we have renounced this world and havme distributed to the poor all that we possess, according to the will of God, and we have decided that we ourselves should be poor in such a way as not to be careful for the morrow, and to accept from no one gold, silver, or anything else, with the exception of raiment and daily food. We have set before ourselves the objective of fulfilling the Gospel counsels as precepts.
"We believe that anyone in this age who keeps to a proper life, giving alms and doing other good works from his own possessions and observing the precepts from the Lord, can be saved.
"We make this declaration in order that if anyone should come to you affirming that he is one of us, you may know for certain that he is not one of us if he does not profess this same faith." [12]
In a statement of faith submitted to the bishop of Albano, Peter Waldo affirmed his belief in transubstantiation, prayers for the dead, and infant baptism. [13] The famed Baptist historian A.H. Newman drew the only conclusion warranted by the evidence.
"Waldo and his early followers had more in common with...Roman Catholicism than with any evangelical party. His views of life and doctrine were scarcely in advance of many earnest Catholics of the time." [14]** The history you posted is from the RCC and Protestant Side and they are only post half-truth of the Vaudois history information. The RCC has been KNOWN to the Vaudois as their MOST fearful and hated enemy for 1800 yrs. I have posted on TMB their testimonies that they believed and taught/preached openly thatthe RCC/Pope is the harlot/false bride of Christ mysterious Babylon in Rev. Chapter 17-18.
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Post by snow on Dec 6, 2019 12:19:13 GMT -5
Nathan you know that's not true. Waldo himself went to the Pope several times pleading with the Pope to be able to preach his version of ministry about poverty. The Pope refused to allow Waldo and his men preach under the Catholic label and in the end because Waldo was not quitting bothering the Pope with his request, the Pope excommunicated them. Below is their Confession of Faith: It in no way resembles the 2x2 group and they actually say in it that they believe in the one Church, Catholic, Holy, Apostolic and Immaculate apart from which no man can be saved. It was only after the excommunication of this group that their dogma started to change. So it's not true that they followed Paul from the beginning. They were all Catholics, wanted to remain Catholics until they were excommunicated. WALDO ("Valdesius") CONFESSION OF FAITH :
"In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and of the Blessed and Ever-Virgin Mary. Be it noted by all the faithful that I, Valdesius, and all my brethren, standing before the Holy Gospels, do declare that we believe with all our hearts, having been grasped by faith, that we profess openly that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons, one God....
"We firmly believe and explicitly declare that the incarnation of the Divinity did not take place in the Father and the Holy Spirit, but solely in the Son, so that he who was the divine Son of God the Father was also true man from his Mother.
"We believe one Church, Catholic, Holy, Apostolic and Immaculate, apart from which no one can be saved, and in the sacraments therein administered through the invisible and incomprehensible power of the Holy Spirit, sacraments which may be rightly administered by a sinful priest....
"We firmly believe in the judgment to come and in the fact that each man will receive reward or punishment according to what he has done in this flesh. We do not doubt the fact that alms, sacrifice, and other charitable acts are able to be of assistance to those who die.
"And since, according to the Apostle James, faith without works is dead, we have renounced this world and havme distributed to the poor all that we possess, according to the will of God, and we have decided that we ourselves should be poor in such a way as not to be careful for the morrow, and to accept from no one gold, silver, or anything else, with the exception of raiment and daily food. We have set before ourselves the objective of fulfilling the Gospel counsels as precepts.
"We believe that anyone in this age who keeps to a proper life, giving alms and doing other good works from his own possessions and observing the precepts from the Lord, can be saved.
"We make this declaration in order that if anyone should come to you affirming that he is one of us, you may know for certain that he is not one of us if he does not profess this same faith." [12]
In a statement of faith submitted to the bishop of Albano, Peter Waldo affirmed his belief in transubstantiation, prayers for the dead, and infant baptism. [13] The famed Baptist historian A.H. Newman drew the only conclusion warranted by the evidence.
"Waldo and his early followers had more in common with...Roman Catholicism than with any evangelical party. His views of life and doctrine were scarcely in advance of many earnest Catholics of the time." [14]** The history you posted is from the RCC and Protestant Side and they are only post half-truth of the Vaudois history information. The RCC has been KNOWN to the Vaudois as their MOST fearful and hated enemy for 1800 yrs. I have posted on TMB their testimonies that they believed and taught/preached openly thatthe RCC/Pope is the harlot/false bride of Christ mysterious Babylon in Rev. Chapter 17-18. Nathan, you know that they were Catholic to start. I don't know why you deny it. www.britannica.com/topic/Waldenses This link is not Roman Catholic and it too says that they started out trying to be a poor branch of the RCC.
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