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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 11:18:49 GMT -5
Then how can Jesus be God, if God the father created him? If God created Jesus, then God the father is also the God of Jesus Christ. God must have cloned himself. You’re closer to the truth then you think except the Father didn’t separate of himself anything. They are one God.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 11:19:44 GMT -5
How it was explained to me... When God says "Let us make man in our image." he was referring to himself, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Impregnating Mary was God's way of Jesus being born of man. Growing up 2x2, I was taught Jesus has always existed. I've heard that explanation for "us", but I always thought that worker was making something up. But as for the Holt Spirit impregnating Mary -- makes the whole thing sound like one of Jeff Foxworthy's white trash Southern family, and certainly typical of Greek mythology. Trinities, incest, molesting humans, you name it. Gods ways are HIGHER than our ways- His thoughts are HIGHER than ours. God is God, God is GOOD! For now, he is allowing us to take up a spot in his earth, and breathe in breaths of his air. Subject to change!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 11:27:42 GMT -5
** Very simple to understand, Before the creation of the Universe The Godhead= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit! They are ETERNAL. God the Father is Creator of all things and Christ/God is His Co-creator of the heavens. It was Christ Who created Adam and Eve on the Godhead image in the Garden of Eden 6000 yrs ago. After Adam and Eve had sinned against the Godhead and they were banned from entering heaven AFTER death, their souls and all of believers and unbelievers souls went to Hades. Satan became their god, and He kept their souls in Hades/inner earth until the Judgment day. Adam and Eve repented of their sins, the ONLY WAY to take them from Hades is Christ/God had to die or taste eternal death for them on Calvary Cross in a human being body/Jesus. God the Father and Christ/God revealed their plans of Salvation to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15. 2000 yrs ago, God the Father sent Christ/God from heaven to live in the Person Jesus as a Redeemer/Savior of mankind. God the Father begotten Jesus and He sent the Spirit of Christ to live in the person Jesus. Therefore, God the Father is Jesus God but the Spirit that Christ lived in Jesus is God like unto the God the Father. On Calvary Cross Jesus called God the Father My God, My God why has thou forshake me? Jesus tasted/died eternal desperation from God for Adam, Eve and for ALL humanity. In Hebrews chapter 1 God the Father called the Son/Christ "God and LORD". God the Father and Christ BOTH are God and LORD. I think you misunderstood the question. If Jesus was begat by God the Father to make him the begotten son, how can he be God. How can Jesus be God if he was created by God. They couldn't have all existed forever if God created Jesus. God would have had to exist before Jesus in order to create him, right? The Father DID NOT CREATE the Son. He begot him. The Bible declares the Son as the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Humans are. created by God but not his Son’, he was begotten. The Father begat the Son entirely alone. There are no other predecessors in the Son’s makeup, so he has to be 100% as his Father is. They are eternal spirits. God the Father is everlasting to everlasting. We don’t really know when he begat his Son. We see his presence in Genesis 1, when the Father said let there be light and there was light. John 1 explains this light as the life of man. This not being taught of the Son’s existence before the world ever became, is the mistake of the 2x2 religion.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 11:30:00 GMT -5
Actually I suggest no one read this. Pray directly to God for your revelation of him! No one suggested you "believe in" what you read. What's wrong with knowing what other people know? I like to know truth so I go directly to the source. No sense in wasting my time!
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Post by nathan on Dec 5, 2019 11:34:09 GMT -5
** Let me add Two and Two together for you. Christ is God and he is Jesus the Son of God that make him God the Son or God's Son. Jesus is Very special because he's the FIRST FRUIT of the Son of God created by God the Father. We believers in Christ are adopted through Him to become the sons and daughters of God. JESUS WAS NOT CREATED BY GOD. HE WAS BEGOTTEN BY THE FATHER. It is very wrong to say he was created by God. We are created by God BUT NOT JESUS FOR HE WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD! Thus we are ADOPTED into God’s family. Jesus is our Elder brother only by adoption. ** God the Father CREATED Jesus the Son of man 2000 yrs ago, that was why Jesus called God His Father, but the Christ/God Spirit lived in Jesus was uncreated because He is God like unto God the Father and Holy Spirit/God.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 11:36:22 GMT -5
How it was explained to me... When God says "Let us make man in our image." he was referring to himself, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Impregnating Mary was God's way of Jesus being born of man. Growing up 2x2, I was taught Jesus has always existed. Really? I was never taught Jesus always existed. I think it's amazing just how different the things that are taught in different regions. He was our elder brother, completely human, but also divine because he was made perfect by God. And, if we followed in his footsteps, we too could be like him. But if it's true that Jesus was created by God, that means that God came first into existence. You can't create someone else if you yourself hasn't been created yet. God’s Son was not created by God, he was begotten. Mary was given a fetus, the Holy Spirit overshadowed her moving the Son’s eternal spirit unto the fetus that God had prepared for him in Mary’s womb. The Holy Spirit did not impregnate Mary. God prepared his Son a body in Mary’s womb. Psalms speaks about a body hast thou prepared me. It was sexless procreation. Jesus was given a fetal body because his human body had to be kept pure and undefiled in order to fit the Mosaic requirement for the sin offering. She was anywhere from 12-14 years of age. Still an innocent herself. Girls were espoused at that age in Israel in those days.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 11:44:28 GMT -5
JESUS WAS NOT CREATED BY GOD. HE WAS BEGOTTEN BY THE FATHER. It is very wrong to say he was created by God. We are created by God BUT NOT JESUS FOR HE WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD! Thus we are ADOPTED into God’s family. Jesus is our Elder brother only by adoption. ** God the Father CREATED Jesus the Son of man 2000 yrs ago, but the Christ/God Spirit lived in Jesus was uncreated because He is God like unto God the Father and Holy Spirit/God. NO, Nathan, God did NOT CREATE his Son, the Bible is clear in that it calls him HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON! God CREATED man by making him out of clay, dirt and dew. But HIS SON IS OF HIMSELF. That’s how he is considered the Son of God or GOD THE SON. This is how people get it confused. God’s SON is 100% God just like his Father because there is no other parent involved. The Father gave of himself to beget his Son. God created the fetus in Mary’s womb(a body thou hast prepared me) then the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and the Son’s eternal spirit was moved into that fetus. This became Jesus the man to die for mankind’s sins. It was sexless procreation .
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 11:50:07 GMT -5
How it was explained to me... When God says "Let us make man in our image." he was referring to himself, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Impregnating Mary was God's way of Jesus being born of man. Growing up 2x2, I was taught Jesus has always existed. I've heard that explanation for "us", but I always thought that worker was making something up. But as for the Holt Spirit impregnating Mary -- makes the whole thing sound like one of Jeff Foxworthy's white trash Southern family, and certainly typical of Greek mythology. Trinities, incest, molesting humans, you name it. I don’t believe the HS impregnated Mary. God implanted a fetus into her womb(sexless procreation) and when the HS overshadowed Mary, he was moving God’s only begotten Son as an eternal spirit into that fetus(a body thou hast prepared me). I don’t believe the HS is into impregnating females but he does move/transport spirits. I.E. John was in the Spirit in Revelations and was taken in the spirit by the Spirit into heaven.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 11:51:54 GMT -5
I've read in the newspaper about some other people who also hear God. My sheep hear my voice- sound familiar? I’ve considered that phrase and I think that indicates the sheep learned Jesus’ voice before they ever came to earth.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 11:54:42 GMT -5
My sheep hear my voice- sound familiar? I’ve considered that phrase and I think that indicates the sheep learned Jesus’ voice before they ever came to earth. How beautiful!
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Post by nathan on Dec 5, 2019 12:38:53 GMT -5
Really? I was never taught Jesus always existed. I think it's amazing just how different the things that are taught in different regions. He was our elder brother, completely human, but also divine because he was made perfect by God. And, if we followed in his footsteps, we too could be like him. But if it's true that Jesus was created by God, that means that God came first into existence. You can't create someone else if you yourself hasn't been created yet. God’s Son was not created by God, he was begotten. Mary was given a fetus, the Holy Spirit overshadowed her moving the Son’s eternal spirit unto the fetus that God had prepared for him in Mary’s womb. The Holy Spirit did not impregnate Mary. God prepared his Son a body in Mary’s womb. Psalms speaks about a body hast thou prepared me. It was sexless procreation. Jesus was given a fetal body because his human body had to be kept pure and undefiled in order to fit the Mosaic requirement for the sin offering. She was anywhere from 12-14 years of age. Still an innocent herself. Girls were espoused at that age in Israel in those days. *** Snow, you are correct Jesus the man was CREATED or begotten by God the Father 2000 yrs ago. Christ/God Spirit who came down from heaven lived in the person Jesus is ETERNAL. Christ had no beginning like God the Father and Holy Spirit. Jesus was created/begotten by God the Father but Christ/God Never created by God the Father. Christ and God the Father ARE ETERNAL.
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 14:01:57 GMT -5
I actually hear God! He gives his believers his Holy Spirit- by which we are then able to hear him! You know what you know what you know then! Very comforting. I have a couple of questions for you. Do you profess? Were you raised in a professing home? You mean like an actual voice in the room or a voice in your head?
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 14:05:24 GMT -5
Really? I was never taught Jesus always existed. I think it's amazing just how different the things that are taught in different regions. He was our elder brother, completely human, but also divine because he was made perfect by God. And, if we followed in his footsteps, we too could be like him. But if it's true that Jesus was created by God, that means that God came first into existence. You can't create someone else if you yourself hasn't been created yet. I believe the "us" and "our" here are vestiges of the Canaanite pantheon, before the Yahweh supporters merged Yahweh with El. Yes, that's what research tell us for sure. We know that Yahweh acknowledged other Gods because in the 1st commandment he tells his believers to only believe him and not all those other gods. Hebrews were polytheists until they took their God of War as their one and only.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 14:05:41 GMT -5
You mean like an actual voice in the room or a voice in your head? God speaks to ones heart and they know it. It’s hard to describe it. I guess for myself, it was very real when God gave me his Holy Spirit. I knew what it was like before when I did not have it. I relied on my own thinking/reasoning. We don’t have to live our lives like that. We can be led of God. God is so kind.
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Post by Annan on Dec 5, 2019 14:08:02 GMT -5
** God the Father CREATED Jesus the Son of man 2000 yrs ago, that was why Jesus called God His Father, but the Christ/God Spirit lived in Jesus was uncreated because He is God like unto God the Father and Holy Spirit/God. Believe it or not, Nathan. I actually understand that.
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 14:09:54 GMT -5
** Let me add Two and Two together for you. Christ is God and he is Jesus the Son of God that make him God the Son or God's Son. Jesus is Very special because he's the FIRST FRUIT of the Son of God created by God the Father. We believers in Christ are adopted through Him to become the sons and daughters of God. JESUS WAS NOT CREATED BY GOD. HE WAS BEGOTTEN BY THE FATHER. It is very wrong to say he was created by God. We are created by God BUT NOT JESUS FOR HE WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD! Thus we are ADOPTED into God’s family. Jesus is our Elder brother only by adoption. But what exactly is the difference if he was created or begotten? It still makes God the Father older than Jesus the son.
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 14:15:37 GMT -5
I've heard that explanation for "us", but I always thought that worker was making something up. But as for the Holt Spirit impregnating Mary -- makes the whole thing sound like one of Jeff Foxworthy's white trash Southern family, and certainly typical of Greek mythology. Trinities, incest, molesting humans, you name it. I don’t believe the HS impregnated Mary. God implanted a fetus into her womb(sexless procreation) and when the HS overshadowed Mary, he was moving God’s only begotten Son as an eternal spirit into that fetus(a body thou hast prepared me). I don’t believe the HS is into impregnating females but he does move/transport spirits. I.E. John was in the Spirit in Revelations and was taken in the spirit by the Spirit into heaven. I thought it said that the Holy Spirit was the one. Early in Christianity the Holy Spirit was considered to be female and many questioned how a female holy spirit could impregnate another female. At that point they decided all three in the trinity were male. Now they claim that none of them are male but genderless. It's hard to keep up sometimes.
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 14:16:56 GMT -5
My sheep hear my voice- sound familiar? I’ve considered that phrase and I think that indicates the sheep learned Jesus’ voice before they ever came to earth. Are you actually saying what I think you're saying? That we exist before birth in some form, exist enough to know Jesus voice before we're born? If this is the case, how are we any different than Jesus who you say existed before he was born?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 14:24:16 GMT -5
I don’t believe the HS impregnated Mary. God implanted a fetus into her womb(sexless procreation) and when the HS overshadowed Mary, he was moving God’s only begotten Son as an eternal spirit into that fetus(a body thou hast prepared me). I don’t believe the HS is into impregnating females but he does move/transport spirits. I.E. John was in the Spirit in Revelations and was taken in the spirit by the Spirit into heaven. I thought it said that the Holy Spirit was the one. Early in Christianity the Holy Spirit was considered to be female and many questioned how a female holy spirit could impregnate another female. At that point they decided all three in the trinity were male. Now they claim that none of them are male but genderless. It's hard to keep up sometimes. All three are addressed as “he” in the Bible. My thoughts was the fact that Jesus spoke in Hebrews about “a body thou hast prepared for me.” Which indicates to me that the fetal body was already implanted in Mary’s womb, then when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary he was moving the Son’s eternal spirit unto that tiny human body that God had prepared for him. The reason for it being a fetus was Jesus had to keep it pure and undefiled according to the Mosaic standards for the sin offering. And any adult body he might have acquired would have already sinned, due to no Holy Spirit indwelling.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 14:26:57 GMT -5
I thought it said that the Holy Spirit was the one. Early in Christianity the Holy Spirit was considered to be female and many questioned how a female holy spirit could impregnate another female. At that point they decided all three in the trinity were male. Now they claim that none of them are male but genderless. It's hard to keep up sometimes. All three are addressed as “he” in the Bible. My thoughts was the fact that Jesus spoke in Hebrews about “a body thou hast prepared for me.” Which indicates to me that the fetal body was already implanted in Mary’s womb, then when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary he was moving the Son’s eternal spirit unto that tiny human body that God had prepared for him. The reason for it being a fetus was Jesus had to keep it pure and undefiled according to the Mosaic standards for the sin offering. And any adult body he might have acquired would have already sinned, due to no Holy Spirit indwelling. Thank you! I was reading this morning in Romans 1:4 - The spirit of Holiness. So beautiful!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 14:31:33 GMT -5
I’ve considered that phrase and I think that indicates the sheep learned Jesus’ voice before they ever came to earth. Are you actually saying what I think you're saying? That we exist before birth in some form, exist enough to know Jesus voice before we're born? If this is the case, how are we any different than Jesus who you say existed before he was born? As spirits. I don’t know of course, when a born again spirit is created by God. If it’s waiting in heaven when the Holy Spirit brings a new convert for that born again spirit, I’m not sure. But I am talking about sheep in general here. They have to learn their master’s or shepherd’s voice in order to follow it. Most all animals are that way. Fact is, it happens in newborn babies. They learn the mother’s voice and if the father talks to it while in utero, it learns its father’s voice. We had a newborn baby who was a fierce cryer. Even mom couldn’t quiet the baby but dad could take that baby and start talking to it and it’s quieter down, take its bottle and go to sleep. To wake up and go through it again. I ve often wondered how they managed at home. That was one of the most outstanding cases we’d ever seen where the baby knew it’s daddy’s voice and preferred it! 😉
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 15:16:45 GMT -5
I thought it said that the Holy Spirit was the one. Early in Christianity the Holy Spirit was considered to be female and many questioned how a female holy spirit could impregnate another female. At that point they decided all three in the trinity were male. Now they claim that none of them are male but genderless. It's hard to keep up sometimes. All three are addressed as “he” in the Bible. My thoughts was the fact that Jesus spoke in Hebrews about “a body thou hast prepared for me.” Which indicates to me that the fetal body was already implanted in Mary’s womb, then when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary he was moving the Son’s eternal spirit unto that tiny human body that God had prepared for him. The reason for it being a fetus was Jesus had to keep it pure and undefiled according to the Mosaic standards for the sin offering. And any adult body he might have acquired would have already sinned, due to no Holy Spirit indwelling. But I think you are forgetting that even a baby is the product of 'original sin'. So I don't think there is any way he could have got away from being born an sinner. The Holy Spirit was not always male. It's was debated by the early church fathers. I took this from Wiki In Christian theology, the gender of the Holy Spirit has been the subject of some debate from earliest times.
The grammatical gender of the word for "spirit" is both masculine and feminine in Hebrew (רוּחַ, rūaḥ),[1] neuter in Greek (πνεῦμα, pneûma) and masculine in Latin (spiritus). The neuter Greek πνεῦμα is used in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew רוּחַ.
The Holy Spirit was furthermore equated with the (grammatically feminine) Wisdom of God by two early Church fathers, Theophilus of Antioch (d. 180) and by Irenaeus (d. 202/3). Also from Wiki, explaining the gender of the word used for Spirit has been mostly feminine or as in Greek, neuter. But as you can see, Spirit in Hebrew is definitely the feminine gender In Hebrew the word for Spirit (רוח) (ruach) is feminine, (which is used in the Hebrew Bible, as is the feminine word "shekhinah" in rabbinic literature, to indicate the presence of God, Arabic: سكينة sakina, a word mentioned six times in the Quran).
In the Syriac language too, the grammatically feminine word rucha means "spirit", and writers in that language, both orthodox and Gnostic, used maternal images when speaking of the Holy Spirit. This imagery is found in the fourth-century theologians Aphrahat and Ephrem the Syrian. It is found in earlier writings of Syriac Christianity such as the Odes of Solomon[9] and in the Gnostic early-third-century Acts of Thomas.[10]
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Post by snow on Dec 5, 2019 15:27:14 GMT -5
Are you actually saying what I think you're saying? That we exist before birth in some form, exist enough to know Jesus voice before we're born? If this is the case, how are we any different than Jesus who you say existed before he was born? As spirits. I don’t know of course, when a born again spirit is created by God. If it’s waiting in heaven when the Holy Spirit brings a new convert for that born again spirit, I’m not sure. But I am talking about sheep in general here. They have to learn their master’s or shepherd’s voice in order to follow it. Most all animals are that way. Fact is, it happens in newborn babies. They learn the mother’s voice and if the father talks to it while in utero, it learns its father’s voice. We had a newborn baby who was a fierce cryer. Even mom couldn’t quiet the baby but dad could take that baby and start talking to it and it’s quieter down, take its bottle and go to sleep. To wake up and go through it again. I ve often wondered how they managed at home. That was one of the most outstanding cases we’d ever seen where the baby knew it’s daddy’s voice and preferred it! 😉 I totally agree that babies hear voices of the ones around them in the womb. But that's not like saying that the spirit existed before the ability to hear was reached in utero. I do understand that you acknowledge you aren't sure if they do exist in spirit before conception.
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Post by nathan on Dec 5, 2019 16:12:37 GMT -5
** God the Father CREATED Jesus the Son of man 2000 yrs ago, that was why Jesus called God His Father, but the Christ/God Spirit lived in Jesus was uncreated because He is God like unto God the Father and Holy Spirit/God. Believe it or not, Nathan. I actually understand that. *** Once you understand that you will able to read the BIBLE, God and Christ in the most amazing way.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 17:21:28 GMT -5
All three are addressed as “he” in the Bible. My thoughts was the fact that Jesus spoke in Hebrews about “a body thou hast prepared for me.” Which indicates to me that the fetal body was already implanted in Mary’s womb, then when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary he was moving the Son’s eternal spirit unto that tiny human body that God had prepared for him. The reason for it being a fetus was Jesus had to keep it pure and undefiled according to the Mosaic standards for the sin offering. And any adult body he might have acquired would have already sinned, due to no Holy Spirit indwelling. But I think you are forgetting that even a baby is the product of 'original sin'. So I don't think there is any way he could have got away from being born an sinner. The Holy Spirit was not always male. It's was debated by the early church fathers. I took this from Wiki In Christian theology, the gender of the Holy Spirit has been the subject of some debate from earliest times.
The grammatical gender of the word for "spirit" is both masculine and feminine in Hebrew (רוּחַ, rūaḥ),[1] neuter in Greek (πνεῦμα, pneûma) and masculine in Latin (spiritus). The neuter Greek πνεῦμα is used in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew רוּחַ.
The Holy Spirit was furthermore equated with the (grammatically feminine) Wisdom of God by two early Church fathers, Theophilus of Antioch (d. 180) and by Irenaeus (d. 202/3). Also from Wiki, explaining the gender of the word used for Spirit has been mostly feminine or as in Greek, neuter. But as you can see, Spirit in Hebrew is definitely the feminine gender In Hebrew the word for Spirit (רוח) (ruach) is feminine, (which is used in the Hebrew Bible, as is the feminine word "shekhinah" in rabbinic literature, to indicate the presence of God, Arabic: سكينة sakina, a word mentioned six times in the Quran).
In the Syriac language too, the grammatically feminine word rucha means "spirit", and writers in that language, both orthodox and Gnostic, used maternal images when speaking of the Holy Spirit. This imagery is found in the fourth-century theologians Aphrahat and Ephrem the Syrian. It is found in earlier writings of Syriac Christianity such as the Odes of Solomon[9] and in the Gnostic early-third-century Acts of Thomas.[10]No, he wouldn’t have been born in original sin because there was no male-female relationship. The fetus was created and placed there by God’s creation. A baby is not sinful when born, it was created by those who are subject to the “original sin.” Because of the bi-sexual reproduction. But Jesus was not created that way. He was created without sin, he was just like Adam was when God first created Adam, for Adam was sinless until Eve gave him the fruit of that tree. Can you not see the difference?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 17:30:41 GMT -5
As spirits. I don’t know of course, when a born again spirit is created by God. If it’s waiting in heaven when the Holy Spirit brings a new convert for that born again spirit, I’m not sure. But I am talking about sheep in general here. They have to learn their master’s or shepherd’s voice in order to follow it. Most all animals are that way. Fact is, it happens in newborn babies. They learn the mother’s voice and if the father talks to it while in utero, it learns its father’s voice. We had a newborn baby who was a fierce cryer. Even mom couldn’t quiet the baby but dad could take that baby and start talking to it and it’s quieter down, take its bottle and go to sleep. To wake up and go through it again. I ve often wondered how they managed at home. That was one of the most outstanding cases we’d ever seen where the baby knew it’s daddy’s voice and preferred it! 😉 I totally agree that babies hear voices of the ones around them in the womb. But that's not like saying that the spirit existed before the ability to hear was reached in utero. I do understand that you acknowledge you aren't sure if they do exist in spirit before conception. I think I said, I didn’t know how long before we are physically conceived. And I’m not sure that it doesn’t come down to being born again in the spirit by the Spirit is when that spirit becomes part of our being or essentially our whole being. Is it like a bud if a rose that’s implanted during conception and it doesn’t bloom until that Holy Spirit moves within us? So that those who never are born again their spirits just never take life and bloom but wither away? I actually believe God created everything before the world began. Otherwords when he said let us make man in our image, is when our spirits are created but not put upon the earth until the time of God’s choosing. So that certainly would be putting us in the Shepherd’s presence long enough to learn his voice. This may well come through the foreknowledge, predestination and election of God. God has known us at some point before our life in earth. One proof is the book of Life was written before the world became.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 5, 2019 23:02:48 GMT -5
No one suggested you "believe in" what you read. What's wrong with knowing what other people know? I like to know truth so I go directly to the source. No sense in wasting my time! So how do you conclude that something is true or not before you even know what it is?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 5, 2019 23:10:03 GMT -5
I've heard that explanation for "us", but I always thought that worker was making something up. But as for the Holt Spirit impregnating Mary -- makes the whole thing sound like one of Jeff Foxworthy's white trash Southern family, and certainly typical of Greek mythology. Trinities, incest, molesting humans, you name it. I don’t believe the HS impregnated Mary. God implanted a fetus into her womb(sexless procreation) and when the HS overshadowed Mary, he was moving God’s only begotten Son as an eternal spirit into that fetus(a body thou hast prepared me). I don’t believe the HS is into impregnating females but he does move/transport spirits. I.E. John was in the Spirit in Revelations and was taken in the spirit by the Spirit into heaven. Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
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