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Post by mountain on Dec 4, 2019 18:49:25 GMT -5
You are incorrect- I tried shuffling thru it before I ever replied to it. No thank you on rebuffing all of that. I take my information short, sweet and truth! I’m spoiled! I didn't ask you to shuffle your way through it. I asked you to read it! At least you are honest and offer nothing by way of competent objection. You probably saw the SDA connection and that was enough for you to disregard it?
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Post by reborn on Dec 4, 2019 18:53:17 GMT -5
I didn't ask you to shuffle your way through it. I asked you to read it! At least you are honest and offer nothing by way of competent objection. You probably saw the SDA connection and that was enough for you to disregard it? God has streamlined truth and how he brings it to me- I use that as my only resource. I personally choose to not read any other books, articles, etc- Man gets it so wrong- so much of the time!
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Post by mountain on Dec 4, 2019 19:08:16 GMT -5
God has streamlined truth and how he brings it to me- I use that as my only resource. I personally choose to not read any other books, articles, etc- Man gets it so wrong- so much of the time! That's all very well, but when the truth you perceive you are receiving from God, is quite obviously not the truth.......then what?
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Post by reborn on Dec 4, 2019 19:17:29 GMT -5
That's all very well, but when the truth you perceive you are receiving from God, is quite obviously not the truth.......then what? I actually hear God! He gives his believers his Holy Spirit- by which we are then able to hear him! You know what you know what you know then! Very comforting. I have a couple of questions for you. Do you profess? Were you raised in a professing home?
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2019 20:49:39 GMT -5
I actually hear God! He gives his believers his Holy Spirit- by which we are then able to hear him! You know what you know what you know then! Very comforting. I have a couple of questions for you. Do you profess? Were you raised in a professing home? If God gives his believers his Holy Spirit by which they are able to hear him reborn, why does he tell them different things ? Why aren't the F&Ws the same the world over ? Why are there different beliefs about things such as marriage and divorce for example ?
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Post by reborn on Dec 4, 2019 20:52:22 GMT -5
If God gives his believers his Holy Spirit by which they are able to hear him reborn, why does he tell them different things ? Why aren't the F&Ws the same the world over ? Why are there different beliefs about things such as marriage and divorce for example ? Personally I believe that some have relied on their own thinking or upon others to arrive at their beliefs- Totally unsafe,and not something I practice. A individual always has the ability to ignore God, override his words to their heart etc...
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2019 20:57:59 GMT -5
Personally I believe that some have relied on their own thinking or upon others to arrive at their beliefs- Totally unsafe,and not something I practice. A individual always has the ability to ignore God, override his words to their heart etc... But that doesn't answer the question reborn. If God is speaking to the Workers why are there so many different rules? Take for example in Australia we have the emblems on Sunday morning at Convention. I am aware that this doesn't happen in the US ...so who is right ? Did God tell the Workers in the US something different to the Workers in Australia ?
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Post by reborn on Dec 4, 2019 21:10:05 GMT -5
But that doesn't answer the question reborn. If God is speaking to the Workers why are there so many different rules? Take for example in Australia we have the emblems on Sunday morning at Convention. I am aware that this doesn't happen in the US ...so who is right ? Did God tell the Workers in the US something different to the Workers in Australia ? You would have to talk with the workers there and in the US about why.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2019 21:14:07 GMT -5
You would have to talk with the workers there and in the US about why. But hang on is God telling people different things ? Surely something like this should be the same the world over ? Or does God only speak to some Workers ? See how messy it gets when we think one particular "way" of worship is right ? Are you exclusive as far as believing the F&Ws are the only right way reborn ?
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Post by reborn on Dec 4, 2019 21:17:02 GMT -5
But hang on is God telling people different things ? Surely something like this should be the same the world over ? Or does God only speak to some Workers ? See how messy it gets when we think one particular "way" of worship is right ? Are you exclusive as far as believing the F&Ws are the only right way reborn ? I believe that God is working all over- We need to have a personal relationship with him. He will lead us where he wants us!
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2019 21:23:38 GMT -5
I believe that God is working all over- We need to have a personal relationship with him. He will lead us where he wants us! Okay, but what if he leads someone to a different church reborn ? Can you then say that person didn't have a personal relationship with God just because they were lead to another church ?
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Post by reborn on Dec 4, 2019 21:27:02 GMT -5
Okay, but what if he leads someone to a different church reborn ? Can you then say that person didn't have a personal relationship with God just because they were lead to another church ? If you are asking all these questions because you would like a relationship with God-I hereby transfer you to his totally capable hands! Hugs!
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 4, 2019 21:37:10 GMT -5
If you are asking all these questions because you would like a relationship with God-I hereby transfer you to his totally capable hands! Hugs! Thank you reborn. No I was a 5th generation B&R (2x2/FW) but now would call myself an atheist. Too much damage done to lives within the 2x2s, too many lies told and things covered up. Too many children sexually abused.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 23:07:03 GMT -5
How it was explained to me... When God says "Let us make man in our image." he was referring to himself, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Impregnating Mary was God's way of Jesus being born of man. Growing up 2x2, I was taught Jesus has always existed. Really? I was never taught Jesus always existed. I think it's amazing just how different the things that are taught in different regions. He was our elder brother, completely human, but also divine because he was made perfect by God. And, if we followed in his footsteps, we too could be like him. But if it's true that Jesus was created by God, that means that God came first into existence. You can't create someone else if you yourself hasn't been created yet. I believe the "us" and "our" here are vestiges of the Canaanite pantheon, before the Yahweh supporters merged Yahweh with El.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 4, 2019 23:15:49 GMT -5
Actually I suggest no one read this. Pray directly to God for your revelation of him! No one suggested you "believe in" what you read. What's wrong with knowing what other people know?
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 4, 2019 23:19:37 GMT -5
I've read in the newspaper about some other people who also hear God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 4, 2019 23:27:03 GMT -5
If Jesus was begat by God the Father to make him the begotten son, how can he be God. How can Jesus be God if he was created by God. They couldn't have all existed forever if God created Jesus. God would have had to exist before Jesus in order to create him, right? How it was explained to me... When God says "Let us make man in our image." he was referring to himself, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Impregnating Mary was God's way of Jesus being born of man. Growing up 2x2, I was taught Jesus has always existed. I've heard that explanation for "us", but I always thought that worker was making something up. But as for the Holt Spirit impregnating Mary -- makes the whole thing sound like one of Jeff Foxworthy's white trash Southern family, and certainly typical of Greek mythology. Trinities, incest, molesting humans, you name it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 4, 2019 23:34:11 GMT -5
I've read in the newspaper about some other people who also hear God. I know and I have actually seen many of them.
But as a nurse I have also seen that when those people get the proper medication those delusions disappear.
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Post by reborn on Dec 5, 2019 1:07:41 GMT -5
I've read in the newspaper about some other people who also hear God. My sheep hear my voice- sound familiar?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 5, 2019 2:03:17 GMT -5
I've read in the newspaper about some other people who also hear God. My sheep hear my voice- sound familiar? Oh yes! Many, many times!
John 10 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. 30 I and [my] Father are one. The promise that if we act like sheep that we receive " eternal life." Now that is a very engaging idea! Who would not want that?
But there is a catch-a price to pay for something of which there isn't any proof at all that that it will ever happen. Since some kind of 'after life' is usually promised in every type of religion, -it seems to be a rather universal longing of mankind.
www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/how-major-religions-view-afterlife
That part of the human being that survives death is known in Christianity, Islam, and Judaism as the soul, the very essence of the individual person that must answer for its earthly deeds, good or bad. Hinduism perceives this spiritual essence as the divine part of a living being, the atman, which is eternal and seeks to be united with the Universal Soul, or the Brahman.
Buddhism teaches that an individual is but a transient combination of the five aggregates (skandhas )—matter, sensation, perception, predisposition, and consciousness—and has no permanent soul.
Of the major world religions, only Buddhism does not perceive an eternal metaphysical aspect of the human personality in the same way that the others do.
However, all the major faiths believe that after the spirit has left the body, it moves on to another existence.
cont.@ www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/how-major-religions-view-afterlife
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 5, 2019 2:31:32 GMT -5
I've read in the newspaper about some other people who also hear God. My sheep hear my voice- sound familiar? Of course. I knew what you were talking about.
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Post by maryhig on Dec 5, 2019 3:28:53 GMT -5
** Very simple to understand, Before the creation of the Universe The Godhead= Father, Christ and Holy Spirit! They are ETERNAL. God the Father is Creator of all things and Christ/God is His Co-creator of the heavens. It was Christ Who created Adam and Eve on the Godhead image in the Garden of Eden 6000 yrs ago. After Adam and Eve had sinned against the Godhead and they were banned from entering heaven AFTER death, their souls and all of believers and unbelievers souls went to Hades. Satan became their god, and He kept their souls in Hades/inner earth until the Judgment day. Adam and Eve repented of their sins, the ONLY WAY to take them from Hades is Christ/God had to die or taste eternal death for them on Calvary Cross in a human being body/Jesus. God the Father and Christ/God revealed their plans of Salvation to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15. 2000 yrs ago, God the Father sent Christ/God from heaven to live in the Person Jesus as a Redeemer/Savior of mankind. God the Father begotten Jesus and He sent the Spirit of Christ to live in the person Jesus. Therefore, God the Father is Jesus God but the Spirit that Christ lived in Jesus is God like unto the God the Father. On Calvary Cross Jesus called God the Father My God, My God why has thou forshake me? Jesus tasted/died eternal desperation from God for Adam, Eve and for ALL humanity. In Hebrews chapter 1 God the Father called the Son/Christ "God and LORD". God the Father and Christ BOTH are God and LORD. I think you misunderstood the question. If Jesus was begat by God the Father to make him the begotten son, how can he be God. How can Jesus be God if he was created by God. They couldn't have all existed forever if God created Jesus. God would have had to exist before Jesus in order to create him, right? That's exactly it. nathan, how can this be? If God the father created Christ then God the father was before Christ. And it says in the Bible that the head of Christ is God.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 5, 2019 3:55:48 GMT -5
I've read in the newspaper about some other people who also hear God. It's a psychosis, also known as a mental illness.
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Post by mountain on Dec 5, 2019 4:10:37 GMT -5
I actually hear God! He gives his believers his Holy Spirit- by which we are then able to hear him! You know what you know what you know then! Very comforting. I have a couple of questions for you. Do you profess? Were you raised in a professing home? Yes I profess. Have done for many years. I was raised in a divided home, but I was brought up in the Sunday Trinity Worship Meetings, although, until I was enlightened the other day, I did not realise we believed in and worshipped the trinity. That said, I ceased going to the Sunday Trinity Worship Meetings many years ago but have continued to profess my faith in several churches, mainly Baptist denomination. I plough a lone furrow though. I'm glad to read about your hearing difficulties being overcome.
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Post by Annan on Dec 5, 2019 5:21:31 GMT -5
I believe that God is working all over- We need to have a personal relationship with him. He will lead us where he wants us! Growing up 2x2, I always felt that God dealt with each of us as individuals according to our personal needs. The "personal relationship" as you say. I do not believe (or rather did not believe) that there was one path for everyone. I don't know who to attribute it to, but there is a quote that says, God is like a prism. How you see him depends on where you are standing.
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Post by nathan on Dec 5, 2019 9:02:12 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood the question. If Jesus was begat by God the Father to make him the begotten son, how can he be God. How can Jesus be God if he was created by God. They couldn't have all existed forever if God created Jesus. God would have had to exist before Jesus in order to create him, right? That's exactly it. nathan , how can this be? If God the father created Christ then God the father was before Christ. And it says in the Bible that the head of Christ is God. It tells us Christ, God the Father and Holy Spirit are ETERNAL. They have NO beginning or ending. Jesus had a beginning 2000 years ago, but NOT Christ/God that lived in him/Jesus. Christ is Eternal as God the Father, they are Spirits. However, Christ/God humble himself and took on human form of a man/Jesus, willing to be subject unto God the Father because He wanted to set an example for us believers to follow and that is to be subjected and worshipped unto God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit for Eternity.
Paul wrote in Philippians 2: 5-11 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Paul wrote in I Cor. 15:24-28 24 Then cometh the end, when he/Christ shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 11:14:44 GMT -5
Except that's not what the bible says. It does say Have I not said that Ye are Gods. But it doesn't say that he said 'I am your god'. What he does say is why say I am blaspheming when I say I am 'the Son of God'. He doesn't say he's different from any of those who worships his God. He puts himself in the exact same category by saying Ye are all Gods, and when he says he's the son of god, so were all the rest sons of god. He never says he's God the son in the bible. Never. ** Let me add Two and Two together for you. Christ is God and he is Jesus the Son of God that make him God the Son or God's Son. Jesus is Very special because he's the FIRST FRUIT of the Son of God created by God the Father. We believers in Christ are adopted through Him to become the sons and daughters of God. JESUS WAS NOT CREATED BY GOD. HE WAS BEGOTTEN BY THE FATHER. It is very wrong to say he was created by God. We are created by God BUT NOT JESUS FOR HE WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD! Thus we are ADOPTED into God’s family. Jesus is our Elder brother only by adoption.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 5, 2019 11:17:35 GMT -5
** Let me add Two and Two together for you. Christ is God and he is Jesus the Son of God that make him God the Son or God's Son. Jesus is Very special because he's the FIRST FRUIT of the Son of God created by God the Father. We believers in Christ are adopted through Him to become the sons and daughters of God. Then how can Jesus be God, if God the father created him? If God created Jesus, then God the father is also the God of Jesus Christ. God DID NOT CREATE HIS SON, the Bible is clear. The Bible says Jesus is his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Sorry for the caps, I’m not shouting but that’s the only way to show stress on the phrases of importance! Jesus is begotten; humans are created.
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