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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 24, 2019 2:30:28 GMT -5
Don't get upset if you have none, of these gifts or revelation, RT. I don't need to be a worker to post on TMB. I know God has called and chosen me and given me a task to do and I will finish it without your permission or anyone else. You or anyone on earth can't take away my anointing and revelation from God.
Touch not the Lord's anointed 1 Samuel 26:9-11
“But David said to Abishai, ‘Don’t destroy/kill him/king Saul! Who can lay a hand on the Lord’s anointed and be guiltless? As surely as the Lord lives,’ he said, " the Lord himself will strike him; either his time will come and he will die, or he will go into battle and perish. But the Lord forbid that I should lay a hand on the Lord’s anointed."
nathan....you have still missed the point !! You state that people have to hear thru the Workers to be saved, that the 2x2 church is the only right church etc etc...but you don't even believe or follow the 2x2 church !! You would not be able to name one Worker who thinks YOU are still a Worker !! You cannot accept that the 2x2s do not believe what you do (JC in Venus etc) and never will !! Wow so you believe you are Gods annointed !!! Are the Workers Gods annointed nathan ?
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 24, 2019 2:34:57 GMT -5
Yes, God gave some apostles and saints more gifts/talents and revelation than others... Paul and John had more gifts than other apostles. Paul went to the 3rd heaven. John the apostle was taken to a spiritual realm saw things, future events that none of the apostles had seen or heard.
God gave Stephen, Philip the evangelist, and Ananias followers of Jesus had the power to heal, working miracles than any of the saints. So, some workers and saints/followers of Jesus know more than their peers. nathan you are not Stephen, Paul or John. The point you keep missing is that you portray that YOU know more than anyone else ! We all know that the Workers do NOT see you as a Worker anymore, that is how the system works. He thinks he is, and that is the delusion. If he really wanted his views to be shared and believed by and among millions, TMB would hardly be the platform for it.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 24, 2019 2:38:02 GMT -5
Oh but they are supposed to. Jesus didn’t say they are to be kept out of the. World. In fact Jesus asked the Father to keep them while they were in the world though they were not of the world. He also said he wasn’t asking the Father to take them out of the world. They can’t very well testify of Jesus if they hang back in a secluded secret group just to say they aren’t of the world. That’s not what Jesus prayed for, he knew they’d have to be in the world to find the lost sheep. It wasn’t going to be easy as all of those Apostles discovered that. All were crucified except John and poor old fellow had to chip rock piles on the isles of Patmos! what do you think "not of this world" means in reality? They are of Christ but they are still in the world , just as Jesus’ own are today. Jesus prayed that his Father would keep them while they were in the world, and he does by the Holy Spirit. Some refer to the Holy Spirit as the restrainer, meaning that he restrains the evil of the world from taking Jesus’ own away and out of the Father’s keeping. This is something that one could say happened to you, Wally, though you may have done wrong, the HS was guarding you and keeping you until you got your heart and head straightened up. And he’s is still keeping you. Just because someone doesnt appear to human eye to be doing what is the Jesus thing doesn’t mean the HS isn’t keeping him until he gets to another crossroads in his life. God even allows these experiences to the saved/chosen ones for a reason but they are being kept from being totally being lost in the world as to be of the world. This is why I’m reluctant to say even the atheists are not saves. I don’t know, but the HS knows. He knows whom he has borne in the spirit with a new spirit.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 24, 2019 2:39:54 GMT -5
This sums it up ... nathan still thinks he is a Worker and knows more than others. Yes, God gave some apostles and saints more gifts/talents and revelation than others... Paul and John had more gifts than other apostles. Paul went to the 3rd heaven. John the apostle was taken to a spiritual realm saw things, future events that none of the apostles had seen or heard.
God gave Stephen, Philip the evangelist, and Ananias followers of Jesus, who had the power to heal, working miracles than any of the saints. So, some workers and saints/followers of Jesus know more than their peers.
Those who have less gifts don't be so angry, jealous at those who have more talents/revelation, it is God who gives the Increase. Some believers God will grant to rule over 5 cities and others will rule over 10 cities when Christ will rule on the earth because of they had been faithfulness in the responsibilities, He had given them to fill on the earth.
The increase is given by God the amount of faith one has plus the usage of the Word. Not simply because they’re a worker or friend.
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 2:49:51 GMT -5
Yes, God gave some apostles and saints more gifts/talents and revelation than others... Paul and John had more gifts than other apostles. Paul went to the 3rd heaven. John the apostle was taken to a spiritual realm saw things, future events that none of the apostles had seen or heard.
God gave Stephen, Philip the evangelist, and Ananias followers of Jesus, who had the power to heal, working miracles than any of the saints. So, some workers and saints/followers of Jesus know more than their peers.
Those who have less gifts don't be so angry, jealous at those who have more talents/revelation, it is God who gives the Increase. Some believers God will grant to rule over 5 cities and others will rule over 10 cities when Christ will rule on the earth because of they had been faithfulness in the responsibilities, He had given them to fill on the earth.
The increase is given by God the amount of faith one has plus the usage of the Word. Not simply because they’re a worker or friend. Paul wrote in I Cor. 3:5-6 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 24, 2019 2:52:57 GMT -5
Don't get upset if you have none, of these gifts or revelation, RT. I don't need to be a worker to post on TMB. I know God has called and chosen me and given me a task to do and I will finish it without your permission or anyone else. You or anyone on earth can't take away my anointing and revelation from God.
Touch not the Lord's anointed 1 Samuel 26:9-11
“But David said to Abishai, ‘Don’t destroy/kill him/king Saul! Who can lay a hand on the Lord’s anointed and be guiltless? As surely as the Lord lives,’ he said, " the Lord himself will strike him; either his time will come and he will die, or he will go into battle and perish. But the Lord forbid that I should lay a hand on the Lord’s anointed."
nathan....you have still missed the point !! You state that people have to hear thru the Workers to be saved, that the 2x2 church is the only right church etc etc...but you don't even believe or follow the 2x2 church !! You would nit be able to name one Worker who thinks YOU are still a Worker !! You cannot accept that the 2x2s do not believe what you do (JC in Venus etc) and never will !!
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 6:54:07 GMT -5
Its fine. I love things about the 2x2's. But they are in a death spiral wrecking lives as they go down. I’m just shocked that anyone in the 2x2s could have such clear vision. You never post like any 2x2 I know. Your posts are biblically backed, I appreciate that! Oh that all the 2x2s could have the blindness lifted as you have had. It’s a miracle indeed! Haha Im am not alone trust me. But for obvious reasons that the Pharisees can not understand the others like me are bound to the 2x2's for various reason!.
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 7:02:06 GMT -5
Wally is Nathans lap dog. Wally accuses me of being a JW. Nathan accuses me of being Baptist Wally forgets he accused me of being JW and likes Nathans Baptist accusing post. I call him out on it. Now they both look like fools because I'm neither. And even bigger fools that they haven't worked out by now I don't need any system's to be saved by Christ!
You said you don't need a system/2x2 to be saved by Christ. Then WHY are you still a 2x2? Again, your reliance on a system is dung. What would deliberately leaving do other than leave a trail of destruction?, really sounds Christ like doesn't it!. Christ is the way!. Leaving 2x2's does what exactly?.
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 7:10:47 GMT -5
it doesn't begin until you die your still in your mortal coil until that happens dimbulb jw.... And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. - 1 John 5:11-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John5:11-12&version=NIVYou have been misled Wally.
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 7:14:40 GMT -5
SEE folks! This 2x2 chuckie, is NOT going to be a 2x2 VERY long. He has been to the Baptist henhouse and take the verses they use for their OSAS doctrine as his belief. I TOLD You so, now the truth has come out. Go, where it brings you peace the non-exclusive 2x2 believer, Chuckie but you must live with your choice for ETERNITY.
So basically you're telling Chuck to go to hell. You believe that if he's not a 2x2 he's going to hell, them you tell him to leave the 2x2's. I would think that is not something your God would condone if it's true the 2x2's are the only route to heaven. Would God be happy with you encouraging Chuck to leave do you think? This is true form for the elite. Playing God!.
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 7:17:38 GMT -5
You said you don't need a system/2x2 to be saved by Christ. Then WHY are you still a 2x2? Maybe he enjoys the fellowship with the group? His family are in the group, why would he want to leave. He doesn't need to believe that the only way to heaven is through the group to want to be part of the group. That makes no sense. All Cults and there self anointed leaders have a long record of interfearing and wrecking families with zero remorse. Its evil!
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 7:24:53 GMT -5
Maybe he enjoys the fellowship with the group? His family are in the group, why would he want to leave. He doesn't need to believe that the only way to heaven is through the group to want to be part of the group. That makes no sense. why would chuckie enjoy fellowship with a group he's claimed is a cult? I am struggling to fathom the lack of sensitivity from so called people of the "Truth". Speaks volumes about what is really important to them!.
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 7:48:00 GMT -5
The system is a cult simply because they don’t believe what the Bible says plainly that Jesus is God. That’s the definition of a Christian cult. [br Well that's a new way to define something. 'If they dont believe as I believe they are a cult' Hmmmm I would call them a Cult because of the persecution if you disagree. They will willingly rip your family apart, willingly bully, willing shun, willingly condemn.
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 8:20:29 GMT -5
I don't agree with STR definition of a cult. The Trinity does not make a group a cult although you will find a number of cults don't believe in the Trinity. One of the marks of a Christian cult is a group who separates itself from mainline christianity and claims it is the way. They claim to have a special revelation and everyone else is wrong. Controlling leadership and a number of other traits. There are cults in all walks of life religious and non religious. ** Jesus and HIS True Church and ministry has been ALWAYS stands ALONE and BY THEMSELVES and they DO NOT mixed with the rest of the CROWD. The true Church is not a Organization(system) on earth. And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ. - Romans 1:6 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans1:6&version=NIVbut to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 1:24 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians1:24&version=NIVThey will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings —and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” - Revelation 17:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation17:14&version=NIVThe Greek word "klaytos" means "call, invited, divinely selected and appointed."1 The Greek word for "church" is ekklesia and is formed from a compound of the word "ek" (out of) and "kaleo" (call). Therefore, the church is the "called out ones." "Eklektos" in Rev. 17:14 above means simply means "chosen" and comes from the verb "eklegomai" which means to choose, to choose out. Therefore, the church, the ekklesia, is the "called out ones."
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 9:14:32 GMT -5
Well, Chuck is showing good fruit because he’s backed up his beliefs with bible scripture! ** Chuckie has shown us ONE side or his verses of OSAS. Mountain, Wally, myself and others showed him the other SIDE or scriptures against OSAS he doesn't like it and keep on REPEATING OSAS verses. No you have not. You have consistently ignored an failed to answer "how can you lose your salvation in Christ?" How can you reverse the promise of eternal life? Greek word for has/hath is to "hold" "hold possessed with" 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:28-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28-29&version=NIV15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:15-16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:15-16&version=NIVWhoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. - John 3:36 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:36&version=NIV14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” - John 4:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John4:14&version=NIV24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. - John 5:24-25 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:24-25&version=NIVAnd this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. - 1 John 5:11-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John5:11-12&version=NIVAnd do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians4:30&version=NIVFor I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV
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Post by snow on Nov 24, 2019 13:25:07 GMT -5
So basically you're telling Chuck to go to hell. You believe that if he's not a 2x2 he's going to hell, them you tell him to leave the 2x2's. I would think that is not something your God would condone if it's true the 2x2's are the only route to heaven. Would God be happy with you encouraging Chuck to leave do you think? ** Chuckie is liken the TARES among us, the 5 foolish virgins or the goat. According to many of his posts on here, he is NOT a happy and contend 2x2. Chuckie calls the 2x2 church is a Cult, the 2x2 system is faulty for being exclusive church. He thinks the grass is greener on the other side of the 2x2 fence. He likes the Baptists OSAS doctrine and being non-exclusive believer. If Chuckie doesn't agree with the 2x2 system, doctrines and with workers teachings and fellowship. When he disagee with the 2x2 exclusive teaching and NOT a happy camper. Why, STAY? Perhaps, he wants to STAY in the fellowship to promote his non-exclusive belief among the friends. Nathan, you don't agree with the 2x2 doctrines and you believe a lot of things they don't. Why do you stay. Do you stay in the fellowship to promote your trinity doctrine, hollow planets, and Jesus and God being in a hollow Venus? The 2x2's are borderline cult with all their secrecy and exclusive teachings. I was always told to run as far and as fast away from groups that told me that they were the only ones that could be my salvation. Jim Jones told his group that, The Moonies were told that, it's the first rule right out of a cult leaders playbook. The people are mostly good in the group and I love most of the ones I knew. But the system is corrupt and people have to ignore that because they've bought into the salvation only by the group doctrine to deeply.
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Post by snow on Nov 24, 2019 13:37:03 GMT -5
[br Well that's a new way to define something. 'If they dont believe as I believe they are a cult' Hmmmm I would call them a Cult because of the persecution if you disagree. They will willingly rip your family apart, willingly bully, willing shun, willingly condemn. I think we just confirmed this to be true right here on TMB when they are telling you to leave.
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 15:31:43 GMT -5
** Chuckie is liken the TARES among us, the 5 foolish virgins or the goat. According to many of his posts on here, he is NOT a happy and contend 2x2. Chuckie calls the 2x2 church is a Cult, the 2x2 system is faulty for being exclusive church. He thinks the grass is greener on the other side of the 2x2 fence. He likes the Baptists OSAS doctrine and being non-exclusive believer. If Chuckie doesn't agree with the 2x2 system, doctrines and with workers teachings and fellowship. When he disagee with the 2x2 exclusive teaching and NOT a happy camper. Why, STAY? Perhaps, he wants to STAY in the fellowship to promote his non-exclusive belief among the friends. Nathan, you don't agree with the 2x2 doctrines and you believe a lot of things they don't. Why do you stay. Do you stay in the fellowship to promote your trinity doctrine, hollow planets, and Jesus and God being in a hollow Venus? The 2x2's are borderline cult with all their secrecy and exclusive teachings. I was always told to run as far and as fast away from groups that told me that they were the only ones that could be my salvation. Jim Jones told his group that, The Moonies were told that, it's the first rule right out of a cult leaders playbook. The people are mostly good in the group and I love most of the ones I knew. But the system is corrupt and people have to ignore that because they've bought into the salvation only by the group doctrine to deeply. I don't agree with the current workers and friends on anti-Trinity stance and belief but I agree with the rest of the workers teachings and belief, Sunday morning meeting worshipping the TRINITY. I believe in the workers exclusive teaching Jesus ONLY New Testament Itinerant/apostolic ministry and the TRINITY worship Sunday meetings.
Once the workers and the friends are no longer believing or having the Sunday morning meetings Trinity worship, I am getting OUT of the 2x2s sect and wait for God to lead me where He wants me.
Why, do I stay? Because it was God who lead me to the workers in 1978 so there MUST be a reason for it. Maybe, to point out their errors and get them back on tracks with the Trinity/Triune God belief. The rest of Jesus doctrines the 2x2s are right on target!
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 15:45:46 GMT -5
** Chuckie has shown us ONE side or his verses of OSAS. Mountain, Wally, myself and others showed him the other SIDE or scriptures against OSAS he doesn't like it and keep on REPEATING OSAS verses. No you have not. You have consistently ignored an failed to answer "how can you lose your salvation in Christ?" How can you reverse the promise of eternal life? Greek word for has/hath is to "hold" "hold possessed with" 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:28-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28-29&version=NIV15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:15-16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:15-16&version=NIVWhoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. - John 3:36 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:36&version=NIV14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” - John 4:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John4:14&version=NIV24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. - John 5:24-25 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:24-25&version=NIVAnd this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. - 1 John 5:11-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John5:11-12&version=NIVAnd do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians4:30&version=NIVFor I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV This morning in our Sunday morning meetings one of the friends mention these verses where Jesus said in Matthew 24:9-13 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
~~ The friends and workers DO NOT believe OSAS doctrine, chuckie. God will always STAY true and LOVE His children but sometimes His children want to disown God and take their own way. God will grant their request and let them go like the prodigal son parable. God is waiting for the prodigal son to come the end of his rope and REPENT of his sins, then he welcomes the prodigal with open arms with joy!
God doesn't want to force his love on anyone, if they changed their minds and want to LEAVE Him and serve some other gods, then they are FREE to do so but they must face the consequences! at the end.
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 18:46:10 GMT -5
No you have not. You have consistently ignored an failed to answer "how can you lose your salvation in Christ?" How can you reverse the promise of eternal life? Greek word for has/hath is to "hold" "hold possessed with" 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:28-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28-29&version=NIV15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:15-16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:15-16&version=NIVWhoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. - John 3:36 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:36&version=NIV14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” - John 4:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John4:14&version=NIV24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. - John 5:24-25 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:24-25&version=NIVAnd this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. - 1 John 5:11-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John5:11-12&version=NIVAnd do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians4:30&version=NIVFor I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV This morning in our Sunday morning meetings one of the friends mention these verses where Jesus said in Matthew 24:9-13 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
~~ The friends and workers DO NOT believe OSAS doctrine, chuckie. God will always STAY true and LOVE His children but sometimes His children want to disown God and take their own way. God will grant their request and let them go like the prodigal son parable. God is waiting for the prodigal son to come the end of his rope and REPENT of his sins, then he welcomes the prodigal with open arms with joy!
God doesn't want to force his love on anyone, if they changed their minds and want to LEAVE Him and serve some other gods, then they are FREE to do so but they must face the consequences! at the end.
This does not refer to a personal self-effort at endurance that results in one’s eternal salvation, but to physical deliverance of those who trust in the Savior during the Tribulation. Look at the whole passage and it is referring to flesh. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. - Matthew 24:7-8 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew24:7-8&version=NIV22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. - Matthew 24:22 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew24:22&version=NIVYour verses dragged out of context and your out of context assumptions do not agree with this dor example. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:“Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.” - Romans 4:5-8 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:5-8&version=NIVMore verses in relation to this topic He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. - Daniel 7:25 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel7:25&version=NIVHe will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. ” - Daniel 9:27 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel9:27&version=NIVI do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. - Romans 11:25-26 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans11:25-26&version=NIVAfter this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!”Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes —who are they, and where did they come from?”I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them,’ nor any scorching heat.For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’ ” - Revelation 7:9-17 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation7:9-17&version=NIV
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 24, 2019 18:47:26 GMT -5
Nathan, you don't agree with the 2x2 doctrines and you believe a lot of things they don't. Why do you stay. Do you stay in the fellowship to promote your trinity doctrine, hollow planets, and Jesus and God being in a hollow Venus? The 2x2's are borderline cult with all their secrecy and exclusive teachings. I was always told to run as far and as fast away from groups that told me that they were the only ones that could be my salvation. Jim Jones told his group that, The Moonies were told that, it's the first rule right out of a cult leaders playbook. The people are mostly good in the group and I love most of the ones I knew. But the system is corrupt and people have to ignore that because they've bought into the salvation only by the group doctrine to deeply. I don't agree with the current workers and friends on anti-Trinity stance and belief but I agree with the rest of the workers teachings and belief, Sunday morning meeting worshipping the TRINITY. I believe in the workers exclusive teaching Jesus ONLY New Testament Itinerant/apostolic ministry and the TRINITY worship Sunday meetings.
Once the workers and the friends are no longer believing or having the Sunday morning meetings Trinity worship, I am getting OUT of the 2x2s sect and wait for God to lead me where He wants me.
Why, do I stay? Because it was God who lead me to the workers in 1978 so there MUST be a reason for it. Maybe, to point out their errors and get them back on tracks with the Trinity/Triune God belief. The rest of Jesus doctrines the 2x2s are right on target!
Of course, God needed YOU to point out the errors of the 2x2s and get them back on track !!! You are so full of "yourself" nathan !! So if that was the case why are you an EX- WORKER !
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 19:15:21 GMT -5
No you have not. You have consistently ignored an failed to answer "how can you lose your salvation in Christ?" How can you reverse the promise of eternal life? Greek word for has/hath is to "hold" "hold possessed with" 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. - John 10:28-29 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10:28-29&version=NIV15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:15-16 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:15-16&version=NIVWhoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. - John 3:36 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John3:36&version=NIV14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” - John 4:14 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John4:14&version=NIV24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. - John 5:24-25 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:24-25&version=NIVAnd this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. - 1 John 5:11-12 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John5:11-12&version=NIVAnd do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians4:30&version=NIVFor I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:38-39&version=NIV This morning in our Sunday morning meetings one of the friends mention these verses where Jesus said in Matthew 24:9-13 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
~~ The friends and workers DO NOT believe OSAS doctrine, chuckie. God will always STAY true and LOVE His children but sometimes His children want to disown God and take their own way. God will grant their request and let them go like the prodigal son parable. God is waiting for the prodigal son to come the end of his rope and REPENT of his sins, then he welcomes the prodigal with open arms with joy!
God doesn't want to force his love on anyone, if they changed their minds and want to LEAVE Him and serve some other gods, then they are FREE to do so but they must face the consequences! at the end.
The prodigal son was NEVER saved until he showed true Repentance!. Like I said elsewhere your argument is a logical fallacy. The bases of your argument/verses is that they are saved then lost salvation/eternal life. This is not what the scriptures say!.
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Post by chuck on Nov 24, 2019 20:04:45 GMT -5
I would call them a Cult because of the persecution if you disagree. They will willingly rip your family apart, willingly bully, willing shun, willingly condemn. I think we just confirmed this to be true right here on TMB when they are telling you to leave. I am still yet to work out why they think they have authority over someone's life. I know why they do it, control!.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 24, 2019 20:25:01 GMT -5
I think we just confirmed this to be true right here on TMB when they are telling you to leave. I am still yet to work out why they think they have authority over someone's life. I know why they do it, control!. Why does religion exist and has always existed in all it's multitude of forms throughout history? To control the people!
Some are just better at it than others. The Roman Catholic was excellent at it to begin with, -but they have lost some of their power, esp. lately.
It seem that the "Truth" has also lost some of it's power from what we hear.
I am prone to think one of the reasons that happened with the "Truth" is that when people were finally made aware of the true beginnings instead of what they had been told that they quit feeling a need to obey everything that the workers said.
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Post by nathan on Nov 24, 2019 21:14:44 GMT -5
I don't agree with the current workers and friends on anti-Trinity stance and belief but I agree with the rest of the workers teachings and belief, Sunday morning meeting worshipping the TRINITY. I believe in the workers exclusive teaching Jesus ONLY New Testament Itinerant/apostolic ministry and the TRINITY worship Sunday meetings.
Once the workers and the friends are no longer believing or having the Sunday morning meetings Trinity worship, I am getting OUT of the 2x2s sect and wait for God to lead me where He wants me.
Why, do I stay? Because it was God who lead me to the workers in 1978 so there MUST be a reason for it. Maybe, to point out their errors and get them back on tracks with the Trinity/Triune God belief. The rest of Jesus doctrines the 2x2s are right on target!
Of course, God needed YOU to point out the errors of the 2x2s and get them back on track !!! You are so full of "yourself" nathan !! So if that was the case why are you an EX- WORKER ! I can't fix thing if I am an active worker, they will kick me out for sure for pointing out their errors. They want to keep the Anti-Trinity workers, Jesus is NOT God ONLY in the work. I had to sing the same tune as them.
Thanks, God I am NOT a 2x2 worker anymore but still is God's worker. I can freely share and point out their mistakes and errors so hopefully, they will listen and change it before it gets worse.
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Post by snow on Nov 25, 2019 13:55:23 GMT -5
I think we just confirmed this to be true right here on TMB when they are telling you to leave. I am still yet to work out why they think they have authority over someone's life. I know why they do it, control!. Well that's certainly the downside of religion imo. Those at the top feel that they can control the 'masses' by teaching them that they will go to hell if they don't listen and obey what they are being taught.
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Post by Annan on Nov 25, 2019 16:12:45 GMT -5
I know why they do it, control!. Well that's certainly the downside of religion imo. Those at the top feel that they can control the 'masses' by teaching them that they will go to hell if they don't listen and obey what they are being taught.[/quote] Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst; every other species of tyranny is limited to the world we live in; but this attempts to stride beyond the grave, and seeks to pursue us into eternity. ~ Thomas Paine
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Post by jetmech on Nov 27, 2019 15:58:38 GMT -5
Of course, God needed YOU to point out the errors of the 2x2s and get them back on track !!! You are so full of "yourself" nathan !! So if that was the case why are you an EX- WORKER ! I can't fix thing if I am an active worker, they will kick me out for sure for pointing out their errors. They want to keep the Anti-Trinity workers, Jesus is NOT God ONLY in the work. I had to sing the same tune as them.
Thanks, God I am NOT a 2x2 worker anymore but still is God's worker. I can freely share and point out their mistakes and errors so hopefully, they will listen and change it before it gets worse.
I don't see how anyone could believe Jesus is GOD.
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