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Post by to stefan on Jun 18, 2007 21:11:59 GMT -5
Calling me names certainly helps makes your point. Being able to disagree without resorting to that is more useful. Oh, like calling people stupid like you did? I suppose I could have taken a page from your book and concealed my name calling in carefully worded trick phrases filled with double meaning and verbal trickery. (After all, this is a 2x2 board, and we all know that implication is the preferred method of 2x2 communication - less direct, it's easier to back out of.) No thanks and pardon me, but I prefer the more direct route.
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Post by in case on Jun 18, 2007 21:49:29 GMT -5
In case you haven't figured it out yet, stefan defends the workers regardless of their actions. No matter what a worker may have done, stefan either blames the victim or somehow excuses the worker.
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Post by even on Jun 18, 2007 22:38:53 GMT -5
In case you haven't figured it out yet, stefan defends the workers regardless of their actions. No matter what a worker may have done, stefan either blames the victim or somehow excuses the worker. even the one in [removed] that molested several little kids? even the one in [removed] that has quite a financial empire in his name? Ask him - - I don't think he's defending people like that
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Post by Stefan on Jun 19, 2007 8:27:34 GMT -5
In case you haven't figured it out yet, stefan defends the workers regardless of their actions. No matter what a worker may have done, stefan either blames the victim or somehow excuses the worker. Nope, I don't blindly defend workers who behave inappropriately. Nor do I criticize entire groups based on the actions of the minority. I'm somewhere in the middle between those extremes. I have defended the 2x2's at times and also posted criticisms at times. I am not part of the group but I have no anger with them.
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Post by yes on Jun 19, 2007 9:49:21 GMT -5
Nope, I don't blindly defend workers who behave inappropriately. Nor do I criticize entire groups based on the actions of the minority. I do appreciate and agree with your words of wisdom. People like you keep this message board well-balanced and from going down the drain. Thanks.I agree. You do a good job of providing a positive balance against nathan's posts. Keep up the great work.
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Post by namesplease on Jun 19, 2007 10:56:36 GMT -5
Names please-----I live in TEXAS and have small children, I am extremely watchful over them-----but-----I believe we all have a right to know. Who is the one that molested children in TEXAS? Are they still in TEXAS? Why didn't someone turn them in? Where are they now? Come on ----- WARN OTHERS ----- so some can be aware! Right?
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Post by name on Jun 19, 2007 11:06:17 GMT -5
I heard the culprit is [removed], but the victims were women, some married.
His name has been thrown around for years and should be public knowledge in the gossip circles of the sect by now.
Maybe you are out of the loop.
Good for you.
Yet if the gossip is true, bad for you and all others.
Oh yes, some willl contend, "maybe he has repented".
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Post by namesplease on Jun 19, 2007 11:33:55 GMT -5
name-----thank-you. Believe it or not, I have only heard about [removed] on this board, I have ask a couple of friends about all of this and they are clueless. I believe it, but I give up trying to find out info, the secrecy is unbelievable. I am not one of the superiors, so I am not in the know so to speak. Thats OK, I am very aware of certain things and stay on my toes and am way too cautious. Sounds pathetic in what is supposed to be a spiritual family!
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Post by ASHAMED on Jun 19, 2007 11:40:41 GMT -5
To the people that knew what [removed] was doing, shame on you!! He should be serving a life sentence or at the very least registering as a sex offender--something--anything. To the people that knew--did you go to the police or did you help cover this up? I would not want to be in your shoes.
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Post by TheWorkers on Jun 19, 2007 11:43:42 GMT -5
Give the workers a break.
We should do all we can to support them. We should let them snoop around, they are men and women of God in the only church in this world.
Workers don't do anything wrong. They are guided by the spirit. They are always on their knees praying and reading. They are the only ones that God speaks to which is why they are wise. They go through a lot of rough living, they live like homeless people with nothing, no shoes nor change of clothes. We should protect them as much as we can. They said if we do this we will be blessed.
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Post by selah on Jun 19, 2007 11:45:08 GMT -5
I never knew that declining the workers' request to stay the night was an option. I thought that when the workers called, and asked to stay for supper and overnight, it was as though God was sending His messengers to my home. How could I say no?
If I suspected they were untrustworthy, unkind, abrupt, grouchy, in error scripturally etc., I thought there was something wrong with me, not them.
It wasn't until I went directly to God with the dilemma, that I discovered my own perception errors, and found correction in Him. When I was willing to surrender everything to Him..including my dependence on the f&w, He was able to come in and bring truth and love beyond anything I'd ever known.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by Trying on Jun 19, 2007 11:48:52 GMT -5
I live in Texas also, I have told my parents about [removed] and they say it is all a lie. They think all the stuff on the internet is lies from bitter people. They have also been told to stay off the internet which they happily and eagerly obey. My question is, is there some concrete proof like a document or something that I can show my parents? I am so digusted, [removed] spent a lot of time in my parents home.
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Post by TheWorkers on Jun 19, 2007 11:52:09 GMT -5
We should give our bodies to the workers for they the workers are being used by God and I want to be one with God. I've never found them to be wrong. The way they smile is so nice and they are so softly spoke. I can see Jesus through our workers yet they have been through so much pain and suffering for us so that we can have bread.
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Post by Stefan on Jun 19, 2007 11:54:09 GMT -5
Give the workers a break. We should do all we can to support them. We should let them snoop around, they are men and women of God in the only church in this world. Workers don't do anything wrong. They are guided by the spirit. They are always on their knees praying and reading. They are the only ones that God speaks to which is why they are wise. They go through a lot of rough living, they live like homeless people with nothing, no shoes nor change of clothes. We should protect them as much as we can. They said if we do this we will be blessed. Even though this post is obviously sarcastic, it is unfortunate that some people do believe this way. For some, the line between religion and everyday life is blurred and common sense goes out the window. Many people don't factor in that bad people go into every religion (or other trusted occupations) and they trust blindly. The Catholic Priest scandal is a classic example. How many Catholics are honored when their sons become altar boys and blindly trust the Priest? How many parents let their kid go camping with the scout leader even though they know very little about them? How many parents let their son or daughter spend after school time with a teacher which would seem strange if that person was not a teacher? Common sense always required.
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Post by selah on Jun 19, 2007 12:04:15 GMT -5
Sometimes common sense can be blurred, especially when one is deluded, as I was. It wasn't until the delusion was broken, that I finally came out of the denial that kept me from acknowledging I had been sexually molested by an elder. Albeit, it was not in a major way, but it was nevertheless inappropriate. I received a reflexology treatment from him, which usually involves the feet, not the buttocks. I was 25, he was in his 60's and his wife was out on errands. I was visiting for a couple days from out of town.
I never mentioned it to anyone, or even allowed myself to consider that there was any ill intention, even though I felt very uncomfortable about it. After I left the meetings, it dawned on me. Then when I told a professing lady about it, she exclaimed, "He would never do anything out of line, he's an elder!"
Blessings, Linda
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Post by Stefan on Jun 19, 2007 12:11:40 GMT -5
Sometimes common sense can be blurred, especially when one is deluded, as I was. Linda I think parents are much more aware these days of not being too trusting of adults who have jobs that have historically been trusted. When I was a kid, there was no talk of molesting priests or molesting teachers or molesting scout leaders. It was probably just as prevalent, just not as much awareness of it. Our generation grew up much too trusting and we carried that excessive trust into our adulthood as well. Part of being a parent today is educating our kids that NOBODY should ever violate the taboos that we teach them. Another part of being a parent today is doing our best to keep our kids out of "alone time situations" with adults.
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Post by to Trying on Jun 19, 2007 12:11:55 GMT -5
My question is, is there some concrete proof like a document or something that I can show my parents? The only proof any would have is if the culprit took pictures or video or got caught by an adult willing to go to the police (which is highly unlikely in the sect). Children are not likely to speak up about such offenses to them. Further, parents are not likely to accept that a worker or an elder or family member could do such things.
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Post by housewife on Jun 19, 2007 12:40:15 GMT -5
I did not know that friends have a choice in this matter. If you say they can't come isn't that an indication of an unwilling spirit or something. Also on the matter of trust, how many really do trust the workers? Anytime workers are coming to my house and I know about it, I make sure my house is extra clean. I would not want anyone to think that I am a messy housekeeper. What makes me really upset is when they come unannounced. That has happened a time or two. Thank God it was not on a Monday. I usually do the washing on Mondays. Can you imagine the brother workers face if they happen to see my underwear. I have a heavy flow, if you know what I mean.
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Post by hidden cameras on Jun 19, 2007 12:43:28 GMT -5
Any of you ever think about using a hidden camera? They are not too expensive these days.
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Post by Common Sense on Jun 19, 2007 12:43:46 GMT -5
There was no common sense when and where I grew up. As long as someone "professed" or was one of the "friends" there was absolute trust and no doubt. My parents and others never checked up on their children as to where they were at or what they were doing. There was alot of bad stuff that happened, no one ever told because after all who was going to believe you. Lots of people involved too, cousins and other friends kids. My sister and another girl were molested by [removed], she didn't tell anyone because she knew that no one would believe her. My sister told me about it several years later and I agreed also that know one would believe her. I wish I would have had the strength to have stood up and told. And now to read on here where he had done this to others, was sent to our area, look what happened again, and all these years we thought we were the only ones. And to think how this group all sticks together in a sick, sick way. (Even if my parents had been warned about [removed] I really don't think they would have done anything different, they would have just said it was a lie and welcomed him with open arms just like they did anyway.)
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Common sense indeed
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Post by Common sense indeed on Jun 19, 2007 13:07:40 GMT -5
There was no common sense when and where I grew up. I don't think kids can be protected if there is no common sense from the parents. If you would have been raised Catholic, your parents would have entrusted you to the care of the priests.
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Post by Gross me out on Jun 19, 2007 13:09:06 GMT -5
I did not know that friends have a choice in this matter. If you say they can't come isn't that an indication of an unwilling spirit or something. Also on the matter of trust, how many really do trust the workers? Anytime workers are coming to my house and I know about it, I make sure my house is extra clean. I would not want anyone to think that I am a messy housekeeper. What makes me really upset is when they come unannounced. That has happened a time or two. Thank God it was not on a Monday. I usually do the washing on Mondays. Can you imagine the brother workers face if they happen to see my underwear. I have a heavy flow, if you know what I mean. TMI! TMI! I did not need to read that!
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Post by uhhhhhh on Jun 19, 2007 13:32:10 GMT -5
I did not know that friends have a choice in this matter. If you say they can't come isn't that an indication of an unwilling spirit or something. Also on the matter of trust, how many really do trust the workers? Anytime workers are coming to my house and I know about it, I make sure my house is extra clean. I would not want anyone to think that I am a messy housekeeper. What makes me really upset is when they come unannounced. That has happened a time or two. Thank God it was not on a Monday. I usually do the washing on Mondays. Can you imagine the brother workers face if they happen to see my underwear. I have a heavy flow, if you know what I mean. no I don't know what you mean, if you know what I mean
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Post by another true story on Jun 19, 2007 13:38:54 GMT -5
Maybe we should start another new thread......who has snooped thro the workers things??
There was a worker packing up his stuff, and a little fellow from the home was watching him. He had a locked case and used a key to open it and the little guy said.....mommy tried real hard to open that one but couldn't!!!
I think it probably works both ways about 50%
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Post by hmmmm on Jun 19, 2007 13:59:24 GMT -5
Maybe we should start another new thread......who has snooped thro the workers things?? There was a worker packing up his stuff, and a little fellow from the home was watching him. He had a locked case and used a key to open it and the little guy said.....mommy tried real hard to open that one but couldn't!!! I think it probably works both ways about 50% She was probably looking for his dirty clothes in order to wash them for him.
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Post by TheWorkers on Jun 19, 2007 15:58:38 GMT -5
Linda.
That elder is a sick pervert. Did you notice that everyone you would tell don't want to know?
The usual 2x2 reply to you would be.... I've only heard one side of the story. which means to me means it's their way of saying they don't care about what you have to say.
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Post by Freesprit on Jun 20, 2007 12:42:53 GMT -5
But for people to "arrange things" to trap the workers... ?? come on..... That's more lame than a rogue worker doing some snooping, IMO. Alright, but you asked for it, and this time I'm naming names. I'm an ex-2x2 and I live in North Dakota. Years ago, we had a sister worker in our home. Her name was [removed]. (A nice woman but a bit pushy and, as we found out, nosy.) Our home at the time had three bathrooms. The largest, off the master bedroom, was never used by the workers since they had everything they could have possibly needed in the other two. On a previous worker visit, we had been given reason to believe that someone had been snooping through the medicine cabinet in our bathroom. I decided to find out if we were right. The medicine cabinet in our bathroom was not light, but could be lifted off the wall. Before the workers arrived, I removed the medicine cabinet, laid it flat, packed it with everything I could find (way more than it was meant to hold), then closed the doors and rehung the cabinet on the wall. My wife and I were running errands one evening after supper and left [removed] and her companion alone in our house. Upon returning, I found [removed] in the bathroom with the door open, frantically trying to shove everything back into the cabinet. It was an impossible task, and she shortly excused herself and hurried off to her bedroom, noticeably embarrassed. She'd been caught snooping. You asked for it so there you have it. A true story of a snooping worker booby trap and the worker that took the bait. Doubt me if you want but its true. You can even ask [removed] if you think she'd own up to it. (When you talk to her, be sure to mention that you forced this story out of me. I wouldn't want her hating me for finally tattling on her.) ;D This is HILARIOUS!!! ROTFLOL!
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Post by soundslikeher on Jun 20, 2007 15:39:08 GMT -5
Hmmmmmph... I know [removed]... and this story doesn't shock me at all... in fact it sounds just like her... sticking her nose everywhere but where it belongs.
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