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Post by i agree on Jun 17, 2007 15:00:48 GMT -5
I also want guests to feel at home, go get a snack or a drink if they want one. If you stay with me please feel free to raid the fridge. I am glad you are comfortable and will provide anything you need or want gladly.
. However I would resent snooping which is an entirely different matter.and I would not appreciate gossip about my personal habits after I was kind to you.
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Post by really impossible on Jun 17, 2007 21:17:58 GMT -5
quote - "Wifey's underwear and bra collection were targeted a couple of times as was our prescription medication, and our collection of... ahem... adult toys... they're in a locked box now" Its amazing what you can get away with saying on the internet.Bert ol' buddy you seem skeptical? Why? Do you really think this impossible?
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Post by poor bert on Jun 17, 2007 21:25:08 GMT -5
quote - "Wifey's underwear and bra collection were targeted a couple of times as was our prescription medication, and our collection of... ahem... adult toys... they're in a locked box now" Its amazing what you can get away with saying on the internet.Bert ol' buddy you seem skeptical? Why? Do you really think this impossible? Perhaps Bert's wifey does not wear underwear or bras? Oh I know, Bert probably imagines that people in his religion have no need for adult toys--well---I don't want to get to graphic, but in this household we use a lot of my favorite flavored lube! and a few other well choosen enhancements. There is nothing in the bible that says you are not to enjoy relations with your spouse. And sometimes a few enhancements can be nice....I guess Bert thinks perverts like me only happen outside his religion. I am not ashamed.
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Post by Dustin on Jun 17, 2007 21:32:32 GMT -5
Bert ol' buddy you seem skeptical? Why? Do you really think this impossible? Perhaps Bert's wifey does not wear underwear or bras? Oh I know, Bert probably imagines that people in his religion have no need for adult toys--well---I don't want to get to graphic, but in this household we use a lot of my favorite flavored lube! and a few other well choosen enhancements. There is nothing in the bible that says you are not to enjoy relations with your spouse. And sometimes a few enhancements can be nice....I guess Bert thinks perverts like me only happen outside his religion. I am not ashamed. I don't think anyone believes this couldn't happen. It's just that these unsubstantiated claims (followed by piling on as if they happen routinely) are par for the course on the TMB. I'm sure it has happened, by some "bad apples" or some workers that were very overzealous. But for people to "arrange things" to trap the workers... ?? come on..... That's more lame than a rogue worker doing some snooping, IMO.
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Post by ditto on Jun 17, 2007 21:37:34 GMT -5
Perhaps Bert's wifey does not wear underwear or bras? Oh I know, Bert probably imagines that people in his religion have no need for adult toys--well---I don't want to get to graphic, but in this household we use a lot of my favorite flavored lube! and a few other well choosen enhancements. There is nothing in the bible that says you are not to enjoy relations with your spouse. And sometimes a few enhancements can be nice....I guess Bert thinks perverts like me only happen outside his religion. I am not ashamed. Well I'll second that. Another 2x2 here no stranger to the bedroom enhancements. Bert, loosen up... a little lube might help.
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Post by as I c it on Jun 17, 2007 21:51:03 GMT -5
Dustin,
I'm going to have to disagree with you--not because I want to bash the workers: and not because I believe there are many who do it: but--you just did the equivalent of blaming the victim.
And even if there's only a few out there (whose mamas didn't teach them to be honorable or have any manners) they need to hear:
Such behaviour is not acceptable!!! Not for any reason.
It creates distrust: and it creates smears of suspicions on others who do have some class. And honor. So don't do it!
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Post by Anything but lame true story on Jun 17, 2007 22:07:46 GMT -5
But for people to "arrange things" to trap the workers... ?? come on..... That's more lame than a rogue worker doing some snooping, IMO. Alright, but you asked for it, and this time I'm naming names. I'm an ex-2x2 and I live in North Dakota. Years ago, we had a sister worker in our home. Her name was [name removed]. (A nice woman but a bit pushy and, as we found out, nosy.) Our home at the time had three bathrooms. The largest, off the master bedroom, was never used by the workers since they had everything they could have possibly needed in the other two. On a previous worker visit, we had been given reason to believe that someone had been snooping through the medicine cabinet in our bathroom. I decided to find out if we were right. The medicine cabinet in our bathroom was not light, but could be lifted off the wall. Before the workers arrived, I removed the medicine cabinet, laid it flat, packed it with everything I could find (way more than it was meant to hold), then closed the doors and rehung the cabinet on the wall. My wife and I were running errands one evening after supper and left [name removed] and her companion alone in our house. Upon returning, I found [name removed] in the bathroom with the door open, frantically trying to shove everything back into the cabinet. It was an impossible task, and she shortly excused herself and hurried off to her bedroom, noticeably embarrassed. She'd been caught snooping. You asked for it so there you have it. A true story of a snooping worker booby trap and the worker that took the bait. Doubt me if you want but its true. You can even ask [name removed] if you think she'd own up to it. (When you talk to her, be sure to mention that you forced this story out of me. I wouldn't want her hating me for finally tattling on her.) ;D
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Post by I believe on Jun 18, 2007 9:18:51 GMT -5
I believe quite a few exes today are outside the church for fiddling with little boys.
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Post by curiojs on Jun 18, 2007 9:43:14 GMT -5
what are they lookin fer in the medicine cabnets?
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Post by weird hosts on Jun 18, 2007 10:57:17 GMT -5
My wife and I were running errands one evening after supper and left [name removed] and her companion alone in our house. Upon returning, I found [name removed] in the bathroom with the door open, frantically trying to shove everything back into the cabinet. It was an impossible task, and she shortly excused herself and hurried off to her bedroom, noticeably embarrassed. She'd been caught snooping. You asked for it so there you have it. A true story of a snooping worker booby trap and the worker that took the bait. ;D So maybe she had a headache and was looking for an aspirin. You are grasping at straws.
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Post by to dumbass on Jun 18, 2007 11:11:35 GMT -5
So maybe she had a headache and was looking for an aspirin. QUOTE: The largest, off the master bedroom, was never used by the workers since they had everything they could have possibly needed in the other two.You are selectively ignoring what was in the same post you were dolling about. Pull your head out.
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Post by look in the mirror on Jun 18, 2007 11:51:29 GMT -5
You are selectively ignoring what was in the same post you were bit-ing about. Pull your head out. I think that the "to dumbass" name pretty much sums it up. Don't invite someone to spend the night if you don't trust them. I don't know anyone who would invite someone to spend the night if they didn't trust them to the point that they felt they needed to set them up. Says something about your mindset.
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Post by ah yes on Jun 18, 2007 12:01:51 GMT -5
ah yes, blame the victim and not the worker.
deja vu
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Post by Stefan on Jun 18, 2007 12:04:51 GMT -5
ah yes, blame the victim and not the worker. deja vu Let's see..... I know someone who I don't trust completely. What should I do? Should I not invite them to spend the night? No, I got it. I'll invite them over and prove that they are not to be trusted by catching them red-handed. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't think that "look in the mirror" is blaming the victim. I think that they are saying that the "victim" is full of BS. I have to agree. It doesn't make any sense. So go ahead and call me dumbass now too and show even more poor judgment.
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Post by look at it straight on on Jun 18, 2007 12:41:57 GMT -5
Don't invite someone to spend the night if you don't trust them. I don't know anyone who would invite someone to spend the night if they didn't trust them to the point that they felt they needed to set them up. Says something about your mindset. It sounds like you have a lot to learn about cult dynamics and the behavioral characteristics of brainwashing victims. This is real stuff - not a game - and your trivialization of matters does not make them any less real to the genuine victims out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2007 12:43:19 GMT -5
ah yes, blame the victim and not the worker. deja vu Let's see..... I know someone who I don't trust completely. What should I do? Should I not invite them to spend the night? No, I got it. I'll invite them over and prove that they are not to be trusted by catching them red-handed. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't think that "look in the mirror" is blaming the victim. I think that they are saying that the "victim" is full of BS. I have to agree. It doesn't make any sense. So go ahead and call me dumbass now too and show even more poor judgment. The original poster who set up the medicine cabinet seems reasonable. He/she had guests who are reputedly trustworthy, claim to bring the ''truth" to people. He/she had some evidence that this was not the case. I don't blame them for wanting confirmation on whether or not they could trust those workers. While we don't hide anything in our home, I certainly would never leave children alone with workers or anyone else for that matter without safeguards. The small amount of risk just isn't worth it. A little distrust is a good thing as long as it doesn't develop into paranoia. I mentioned in another post about asking a worker a question to which I knew the answer. I knew that the worker would tell the truth if he/she was open to solving a church problem, but would lie if the decision was already made and that our conversation was a sham. I got my answer loud and clear and stopped spinning my wheels right there. Most things are never as they appear, and the truth sets us free from the chains of deception.
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Post by to stefan on Jun 18, 2007 12:45:11 GMT -5
stefan,
I don't have to call you a dumbass to prove a point.
With you, it is your usual practice to defend the workers no matter what the circumstances. In fact, I can't recall single instance of worker wrong-doing that you didn't place blame on someone else.
So in this case, yes, blame the victim, because you did.
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Post by Message to Stefan on Jun 18, 2007 12:47:21 GMT -5
I don't think that "look in the mirror" is blaming the victim. I think that they are saying that the "victim" is full of BS. The predators and their supporters often respond this way; Saying anything they can to portray the victim as a lunatic. This is textbook behavior and quite predictable, coming from the predator and/or his supporter; Calling the victim "full of BS" is blaming the victim. Stefan, your statement is an example of self-contradiction.
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Post by Stefan on Jun 18, 2007 14:02:29 GMT -5
I don't think that "look in the mirror" is blaming the victim. I think that they are saying that the "victim" is full of BS. The predators and their supporters often respond this way; Saying anything they can to portray the victim as a lunatic. This is textbook behavior and quite predictable, coming from the predator and/or his supporter; Calling the victim "full of BS" is blaming the victim. Stefan, your statement is an example of self-contradiction. I'm not saying that it's never happened. I'm sure it has. There have been bad applies in the work and there have been overzealous ones as well. Some pretty screwed up people have been workers at times. Brad Lewis would be a prime example of a worker who has some severe problems. I don't defend bad workers. I just don't think that the majority of them are bad as some like to jump on and claim. I can find bad people in any group. Do I then say (or even imply) that all or most of them in that group are bad? Nope, that would be extreme ignorance on my part. What I'm thinking is stupid is inviting someone in to your home if you don't trust them. If you don't trust someone, don't have them stay overnight! Don't invite them and then booby trap them. That is ridiculous. Is it really that hard to understand?
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Post by ithascome on Jun 18, 2007 14:27:41 GMT -5
But they are not God.
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Post by obviously on Jun 18, 2007 14:36:34 GMT -5
to stefan,
What's obvious is that you are a 2x2 extremist, regardless of whether or not you go to meeting.
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Post by Durrr on Jun 18, 2007 14:57:35 GMT -5
There are a few Durrr Brains on this post.
You Durr Brains Don't you get it?
People are saying that WORKERs ARE CAUGHT SNOOPING AROUND... and you dumbasses still is ignoring the fact.
We all should be able to leave our sex toys, condoms, pill boxes in our own ONSUITE bathrooms. Bert, do your wife a favour and get a good sex guide and study it real good. Age does not matter. She will be happier and you will be a whole lot .... relaxed.
I once left a worker alone by himself in the guest room, his hands on his lap, looking down, shy. I went out to get the tea and bring cakes in... which was about 5 mins because it was prepared before hand. We chatted etc and he left after 1hour. After he left, I opened my display cabinet to inspect a few valuable items I had and noticed that it was not put back where it originally was because the dust had moved. The only person who would have done that was the worker. I then looked for other clues and sure thing... old letter were now dust free.
Some workers are snoopy sons-of-a-bit**es
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Post by wake up Stefan on Jun 18, 2007 15:13:17 GMT -5
What I'm thinking is stupid is inviting someone in to your home if you don't trust them. This doesn't mean it's never been done by someone who, though brainwashed at some level, is desperately trying to confirm or reject their fear that someone they revere is really a perverted creep. Some of the brainwashed friends have been excommunicated (and therefore damned, according to the exclusivist belief of some) for telling the workers they are not welcome. Why not? What's wrong with finding out that a creep is a creep? Only the creep (and his supporter, Stefan) would object to this! I can see straight through you, my brainwashed, creepy pervert defending, lemming.
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Post by TMS on Jun 18, 2007 16:34:39 GMT -5
When I tell someone to make themselves at home, I'm giving them permission to go into the kitchen and help themselves to the food. Or to go into the linen cabinet, or the medicine cabinet, and take as they need from it. My bedroom, however, is off limits to all. THAT IS INTERESTING. WHEN I TELL GUESTS TO MAKE THEMSELVES AT HOME, THEY CAN EAT WHAT THEY WANT, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO GO INTO OUR HOME OFFICE, OUR MASTER BEDROOM/BATH OR OPEN OUR FILING CABINET AND DRAWERS NOT IN KITCHEN. TO DO SO IS JUST BAD BEHAVIOR AND A VIOLATION OF PRIVACY. THEY CAN USE THE GUEST BEDROOM/BATHROOM WHICH HAS NOTHING IT IT. THEY ARE NOT ALSO ALLOWED TO USE MY LAPTOP OR OFFICE AREA. I NEVER WOULD HAVE THE WORKERS GO INTO MY PRIVATE AREA...THAT IS NOT THEIR PLACE.
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Post by TM on Jun 18, 2007 16:42:19 GMT -5
But for people to "arrange things" to trap the workers... ?? come on..... That's more lame than a rogue worker doing some snooping, IMO. Alright, but you asked for it, and this time I'm naming names. I'm an ex-2x2 and I live in North Dakota. Years ago, we had a sister worker in our home. Her name was [name removed]. (A nice woman but a bit pushy and, as we found out, nosy.) Our home at the time had three bathrooms. The largest, off the master bedroom, was never used by the workers since they had everything they could have possibly needed in the other two. On a previous worker visit, we had been given reason to believe that someone had been snooping through the medicine cabinet in our bathroom. I decided to find out if we were right. The medicine cabinet in our bathroom was not light, but could be lifted off the wall. Before the workers arrived, I removed the medicine cabinet, laid it flat, packed it with everything I could find (way more than it was meant to hold), then closed the doors and rehung the cabinet on the wall. My wife and I were running errands one evening after supper and left [name removed] and her companion alone in our house. Upon returning, I found [name removed] in the bathroom with the door open, frantically trying to shove everything back into the cabinet. It was an impossible task, and she shortly excused herself and hurried off to her bedroom, noticeably embarrassed. She'd been caught snooping. You asked for it so there you have it. A true story of a snooping worker booby trap and the worker that took the bait. Doubt me if you want but its true. You can even ask [name removed] if you think she'd own up to it. (When you talk to her, be sure to mention that you forced this story out of me. I wouldn't want her hating me for finally tattling on her.) ;D I think the worker was out of line. I do not agree with the posters who say don't invite people into your home that you don't trust. Well, I don't trust my own sisters, they go through my diary's and my husbands drawers. It does not mean I don't trust them as human beings, but I know they are extremely nosy so when they come over I remind them not to dig in my stuff. I think workers need to learn their boundaries and respect adult couples privacy. I don't have anything really to hide, but do the workers really need to know what kindof birth control we use, what size of condoms we wear or what color is my panties?! Definitely not! That is private information between a married couple. Under no circumstances should workers go through your files or dig in your tax return or go into your personal closets and space. Those that do are rude and violating peoples personal space. My hope is that most workers have common decency and don't dig in peoples stuff.
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Post by ali on Jun 18, 2007 19:09:51 GMT -5
Well, I think it is completely wrong for someone to go through your personal items, BUT I did find that after I accepted Christ, there were some things I felt compelled to get rid of partly because it just didn't feel right anymore and partly because I felt it was what God would want. The great thing is that it was between me and God without the influence of man.....that's what I love.
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Post by Stefan on Jun 18, 2007 19:25:36 GMT -5
I can see straight through you, my brainwashed, creepy pervert defending, lemming. Calling me names certainly helps makes your point. Being able to disagree without resorting to that is more useful.
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Post by ali on Jun 18, 2007 20:04:00 GMT -5
That would be "old woman" habits for me Nathan...I'm female.
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