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Post by openingact34 on Nov 12, 2018 12:07:05 GMT -5
Thanks, be to God that He is charge of heaven for who to enter or NOT and NOT Men/workers in charge at the gate.
If you think this way, you are way out of step with the true ministry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 12:34:03 GMT -5
i suppose that depends on your definition of plaiting, plait or plaits mine is corn rows on your head.... Well wally, I really AM sorry but you just don't happen to have the credentials to define what is a PLAIT, BRAID, OR CORNROWS They are all the same really. Cornrows or braids, also called canerows in the Caribbean, are an ancient traditional African style of hair grooming, in which the hair is braided very close to the scalp, using an underhand, upward motion to produce a continuous, raised row.[1] Cornrows are often formed in simple, straight lines, as the name implies, but they can also be formed in complicated geometric or curvilinear designs. Depending on the region of the world, cornrows are worn by men or women, or both, and are sometimes adorned with beads or cowry shells. from wiki
yeah right...sorry to burst your bubble but men can define anything they want regardless of what you think...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 12:35:27 GMT -5
I often think of these verses about not plaiting hair when someone talks about obeying all the Bible vs only obeying some parts of the Bible.... particularly if we as professing people use these Bible verses to condemn jewellery but ignore the part about braids... Curious, do any of the professing people here have reasons for not wearing jewellery other than those Bible verses which also talk about braids? This is an age old phenomenon among the two by twos. I'm often reminded of the children of Israel when they were preparing to leave Egypt. Their Egyptian neighbors gave them great amounts of gems and gold jewelry. The CofI spoiled the Egyptians. Now if it was against God's will that no jewelry was to be worn or even possessed, the CofIsrael would not taken that jewelry from the Egyptians. well one might note that they used thier jewelry to make the golden calf and we all know how that turned out right?
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Post by nathan on Nov 12, 2018 12:49:23 GMT -5
Thanks, be to God that He is charge of heaven for who to enter or NOT and NOT Men/workers in charge at the gate.
If you think this way, you are way out of step with the true ministry. ** The workers have the authority to NOT allow certain people in the fellowship BUT God has the final word of WHO, He wants to enter His kingdom. God KNOWS their hearts and motives or their spirits whether is His or not, the workers can ONLY see and KNOW the outward appearances. The workers MUST Rememeber they are mostly messengers of the gospel and Not the Saviors. It's Jesus who SAVES people and He died for their sins.
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2018 12:57:09 GMT -5
ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE COMMENTS ON THE USELESS SUBJECT,YES I AM GUILTY FOR MY BIT I ADDED> WHY WHEN MILLIONS OP GOD'S FAMILY ARE BEING PERSECUTED BECAUSE THEY ARE PROFESSING CHRISTIANS IN HOSTILE LANDS... Thought following"DEBATE"may keep yor mind away from a bit of hair stuck on Budda's or a kids Head. Magpie www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEPlcWcCsY4 . www.youtube.com/watch?v=H50jCTtBgAM We should pray for them just because they are Christians? I don't get that. Look at all the people in this world that aren't Christian and are persecuted. Why do some Christians think it's only them that go through hard times?
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Post by snow on Nov 12, 2018 13:04:16 GMT -5
A lot of us who were professing "plaited" (braided) our hair.
In my high school graduation picture my hair was "plaited" (braided).
Just what to you think that you are going to do with your hair, wally, when you were REQUIRED to have it long?
All of my classmates had short permed hair! I had a conversation about long hair being up or down with an overseer. I had said by to him that wearing long hair up was defeating the purpose of the long hair. I said the Bible says women are to have long hair for veils. That putting it up so tightly on the head was no better then having short hair. That the sculpture of the neck and upper shoulders are as open to see as short hair. I also said that done up hair was more sexually exciting as men think about they'd like to unpin a woman's hair. That unpinning a woman s hair is part if foreplay He said that the young women in the two by twos have said and told him differently. That when they wear their hair down that's when the men have been more enticed. So it seems again men are too easily tempted by women. 😱 Women in burkas get raped so it's not about enticement. It's about power over women and thinking it's their god given right to do whatever they want to a woman they are attracted to. And, men can be attracted to the strangest things so no matter what women do, it won't matter. Someone will be attracted and if they are the kind of man that just takes what he wants, they have no say.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 12, 2018 14:40:39 GMT -5
If you think this way, you are way out of step with the true ministry. ** The workers have the authority to NOT allow certain people in the fellowship BUT God has the final word of WHO, He wants to enter His kingdom. God KNOWS their hearts and motives or their spirits whether is His or not, the workers can ONLY see and KNOW the outward appearances. The workers MUST Rememeber they are mostly messengers of the gospel and Not the Saviors. It's Jesus who SAVES people and He died for their sins. All will stand before the righteous Judge who is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. I will say this, any human declaring someone cannot enter into heaven or eternal life can be overridden by the righteous Judge because as Nate says, he judges the heart and soul, not the outward appearance or actions. Besides if anyone who thinks they're authorized to acts as judge/jury where they can say no way, Jose, you cannot be one with Jesus' church, is going to have to answer not only for himself but also will be held responsible for the one they've pushed away
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Post by nathan on Nov 12, 2018 14:58:57 GMT -5
** The workers have the authority to NOT allow certain people in the fellowship BUT God has the final word of WHO, He wants to enter His kingdom. God KNOWS their hearts and motives or their spirits whether is His or not, the workers can ONLY see and KNOW the outward appearances. The workers MUST Rememeber they are mostly messengers of the gospel and Not the Saviors. It's Jesus who SAVES people and He died for their sins. All will stand before the righteous Judge who is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. I will say this, any human declaring someone cannot enter into heaven or eternal life can be overridden by the righteous Judge because as Nate says, he judges the heart and soul, not the outward appearance or actions. Besides if anyone who thinks they're authorized to acts as judge/jury where they can say no way, Jose, you cannot be one with Jesus' church, is going to have to answer not only for himself but also will be held responsible for the one they've pushed away *** The workers and the friends responsibilities are pointing people to follow Jesus and his teachings. Excommunication are allow but it had to be done with much prayers and not in a haste manner.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 12, 2018 16:06:24 GMT -5
I believe some are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Ie. The plaiting of the hair is specifically mentioned, whereas clothing is not specifically categorized. As in no women in men's clothing is much broader then no plaiting of the hair. is trying to follow scripture as closely as possible a gnat or a camel? Yes, exactly in the manner that sharingtheriches suggested.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 16:07:58 GMT -5
is trying to follow scripture as closely as possible a gnat or a camel? Yes, exactly in the manner that sharingtheriches suggested. that doesn't answer the question bob...gnat or camel?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 12, 2018 16:13:14 GMT -5
Yes, exactly in the manner that sharingtheriches suggested. that doesn't answer the question bob...gnat or camel? Of course not. Because it wasn't a question.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 16:14:29 GMT -5
that doesn't answer the question bob...gnat or camel? Of course not. Because it wasn't a question.
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Post by gsamuelwalker on Nov 12, 2018 19:15:57 GMT -5
dmmich ... that's like callin' the kettle black ... or akin to kickin' the manue barrell. lol ... you are something else ... hey while we're at it why don't you,and TRoselyn post some of your pic from age 30 to 40 so we can compare them to these gorgeous workers? I don't know how to post photos, but if I could I guarantee you that I would look like the workers did at the same time period.
And by the way I was "gorgeous!"
I certainly DIDN'T FEEL "gorgeous" at the time.
I felt so unsure of myself that I wold quickly sit down in the first vacant seat as soon as I entered a room full of people, so no one could see me.
It was a long time in my life before had the confidence to actually take my time & find a seat that I really wanted. Hair styles have changed through the ages from long to short and short to long. Short hair for men would have likely been considered a fad introduced by the romans. This would have been especially true with the Jewish. Comminities.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 12, 2018 19:27:47 GMT -5
I believe some are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Ie. The plaiting of the hair is specifically mentioned, whereas clothing is not specifically categorized. As in no women in men's clothing is much broader then no plaiting of the hair. is trying to follow scripture as closely as possible a gnat or a camel? Do you follow the Old Testament "as closely as possible" @wally ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 19:35:03 GMT -5
is trying to follow scripture as closely as possible a gnat or a camel? Do you follow the Old Testament "as closely as possible" @wally ? depends on if its ceremonial or spiritual...one has to be able to discern between the two.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 12, 2018 19:59:21 GMT -5
Well wally, I really AM sorry but you just don't happen to have the credentials to define what is a PLAIT, BRAID, OR CORNROWS They are all the same really. Cornrows or braids, also called canerows in the Caribbean, are an ancient traditional African style of hair grooming, in which the hair is braided very close to the scalp, using an underhand, upward motion to produce a continuous, raised row.[1] Cornrows are often formed in simple, straight lines, as the name implies, but they can also be formed in complicated geometric or curvilinear designs. Depending on the region of the world, cornrows are worn by men or women, or both, and are sometimes adorned with beads or cowry shells. from wiki
yeah right...sorry to burst your bubble but men can define anything they want regardless of what you think... yeah right...sorry to burst your bubble, wally, but just because you personally want to define something to suit yourself still doesn't mean it is the universal meaning.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 12, 2018 21:36:06 GMT -5
Do you follow the Old Testament "as closely as possible" @wally ? depends on if its ceremonial or spiritual...one has to be able to discern between the two. Haha of course and I suppose YOU are the only person who can "discern" ! Also you didn't really answer the question do you follow the Old testament as closely as possible or do you pick and choose what suits your views .... ! I hope you don't wear clothes made from wool and linen together !
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 12, 2018 21:56:42 GMT -5
Do you follow the Old Testament "as closely as possible" @wally ? depends on if its ceremonial or spiritual...one has to be able to discern between the two. Can you give us some examples of each?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 12, 2018 21:58:13 GMT -5
depends on if its ceremonial or spiritual...one has to be able to discern between the two. Haha of course and I suppose YOU are the only person who can "discern" ! Also you didn't really answer the question do you follow the Old testament as closely as possible or do you pick and choose what suits your views .... ! I hope you don't wear clothes made from wool and linen together ! I'll bet he eats bacon for breakfast.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 12, 2018 22:06:08 GMT -5
If you think this way, you are way out of step with the true ministry. ** The workers have the authority to NOT allow certain people in the fellowship BUT God has the final word of WHO, He wants to enter His kingdom. God KNOWS their hearts and motives or their spirits whether is His or not, the workers can ONLY see and KNOW the outward appearances. The workers MUST Rememeber they are mostly messengers of the gospel and Not the Saviors. It's Jesus who SAVES people and He died for their sins. The sad part of excommunicating people from a church group often is so emotionally devastating because if the church is the "only true church" then the excomnicated feel like they're doomed to a list eternity. If the person doing the excommunication would stop to think that the process is so emotionally abusive that maybe they should just not go about declaring their church the only true church. The person that does the excommunication will be held responsible for the person they've excommunicated, soul. I'm sure I don't want the job of excommunicating anyone! However it might be good for people that's been excommunicated, to just think about Jesus being the only one who can proclaim yeah or nay of who's saved and who isn't. By keeping our hearts in touch with Jesus can mean we are trying to do our best and that whatever other mankind says or does to one, that they are judging by unrighteous judgment but Jesus will be the one who says who is where.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 12, 2018 22:07:55 GMT -5
This is an age old phenomenon among the two by twos. I'm often reminded of the children of Israel when they were preparing to leave Egypt. Their Egyptian neighbors gave them great amounts of gems and gold jewelry. The CofI spoiled the Egyptians. Now if it was against God's will that no jewelry was to be worn or even possessed, the CofIsrael would not taken that jewelry from the Egyptians. well one might note that they used thier jewelry to make the golden calf and we all know how that turned out right? It wasn't the jewelrys fault though. It was a hardness of their heart.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 12, 2018 22:20:28 GMT -5
I don't know how to post photos, but if I could I guarantee you that I would look like the workers did at the same time period.
And by the way I was "gorgeous!"
I certainly DIDN'T FEEL "gorgeous" at the time.
I felt so unsure of myself that I wold quickly sit down in the first vacant seat as soon as I entered a room full of people, so no one could see me.
It was a long time in my life before had the confidence to actually take my time & find a seat that I really wanted. Hair styles have changed through the ages from long to short and short to long. Short hair for men would have likely been considered a fad introduced by the romans. This would have been especially true with the Jewish. Comminities. According to the Bible the only thing mentioned about men's hair is when the man had a vow, he would not cut his hair. I also think they let their beards grow as well, until their be oath has been done, then they have a "cleaning" ritual. This is called the Nazarite. Remember Paul had a vow and had to go to Jerusalem to finish whatever the vow was about. But when he got there he was told to take some other men with him and do their cleansing ritual. So by this, I've felt the Jewish men had short hair and beardless faces. I'm not certain the Romans had a whole lot to force them to be shaven wuth short hair. The Jews had such cleanliness rules that it would seem a bit contradictory if they had long hair and beards
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 12, 2018 22:26:20 GMT -5
depends on if its ceremonial or spiritual...one has to be able to discern between the two. Haha of course and I suppose YOU are the only person who can "discern" ! Also you didn't really answer the question do you follow the Old testament as closely as possible or do you pick and choose what suits your views .... ! I hope you don't wear clothes made from wool and linen together ! I saw a crazy commercial where girl is running home as fast as she can. When she runs past a barn, farmers are sheering sheep. So girl gets a piece of material, looks like fleece (modern type of fleece) and runs back out to the barn and wraps the fleece around the freshly sheered sheep. And then it shows all kind of Christmas decorations. It must have been in a different climated country then ours. We don't sheer sheep at Christmas time in the states.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 12, 2018 23:27:59 GMT -5
Haha of course and I suppose YOU are the only person who can "discern" ! Also you didn't really answer the question do you follow the Old testament as closely as possible or do you pick and choose what suits your views .... ! I hope you don't wear clothes made from wool and linen together ! I'll bet he eats bacon for breakfast. And wears clothes of mixed material.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 0:20:25 GMT -5
depends on if its ceremonial or spiritual...one has to be able to discern between the two. Can you give us some examples of each? sacrificing animals ceremonial, prayer spiritual i do the latter....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 0:21:06 GMT -5
depends on if its ceremonial or spiritual...one has to be able to discern between the two. Haha of course and I suppose YOU are the only person who can "discern" ! Also you didn't really answer the question do you follow the Old testament as closely as possible or do you pick and choose what suits your views .... ! I hope you don't wear clothes made from wool and linen together ! never said i was the only one that could discern....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 13, 2018 0:48:52 GMT -5
Can you give us some examples of each? sacrificing animals ceremonial, prayer spiritual i do the latter.... I still do the first, not the latter. Sometimes I burn the offerings.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 13, 2018 1:31:25 GMT -5
** The workers have the authority to NOT allow certain people in the fellowship BUT God has the final word of WHO, He wants to enter His kingdom. God KNOWS their hearts and motives or their spirits whether is His or not, the workers can ONLY see and KNOW the outward appearances. The workers MUST Rememeber they are mostly messengers of the gospel and Not the Saviors. It's Jesus who SAVES people and He died for their sins. The sad part of excommunicating people from a church group often is so emotionally devastating because if the church is the "only true church" then the excomnicated feel like they're doomed to a list eternity. If the person doing the excommunication would stop to think that the process is so emotionally abusive that maybe they should just not go about declaring their church the only true church. The person that does the excommunication will be held responsible for the person they've excommunicated, soul. I'm sure I don't want the job of excommunicating anyone! However it might be good for people that's been excommunicated, to just think about Jesus being the only one who can proclaim yeah or nay of who's saved and who isn't. By keeping our hearts in touch with Jesus can mean we are trying to do our best and that whatever other mankind says or does to one, that they are judging by unrighteous judgment but Jesus will be the one who says who is where. Well what would there even be any reason for excommunication if it didn't cause any pain and anguish ?
Isn't that the whole point ?
To scare the hell out of all the others?
That's how religions control people!
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