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Post by nathan on Oct 30, 2018 18:34:52 GMT -5
Well Nathan I have nothing against the workers in general. I loved and respected most of the ones I grew up around and that hasn't changed for me. But the way the sister workers have to dress or want to dress, doesn't make any sense. There are plenty of nice modest outfits that are more up to date than that and they aren't any more expensive. In the Madagascar workers picture 2015 there is a sister worker there in a very nice suit outfit. So if some can look nice and modest and still up to date, why do they still cling to what they have worn since the group started in 1898? I asked the question wanting to know why they cling to that 'look' and I still want to know. I don't hate them because they dress like that. I don't dislike them because they dress like that, I just don't understand WHY they dress like that. ** Many sister workers like to keep their dresses simple, the friends compare themselves and sometimes envy with what the workers wear and possess, like laptops, cell phones, expensive clothes and so on. The workers have to be careful how they dress and what they possess, so it doesn't cause resentment by the friends or their co- workers.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 31, 2018 17:43:37 GMT -5
** Many sister workers like to keep their dresses simple, the friends compare themselves and sometimes envy with what the workers wear and possess, like laptops, cell phones, expensive clothes and so on. The workers have to be careful how they dress and what they possess, so it doesn't cause resentment by the friends or their co- workers.
Ironically, some sister workers will wear the requisite uniform dress code but underneath they are wearing top line bras, hose, underpants, and even slips that all are matched. Some actually have Victoria Secret matching underclothes. I am surprised because the brothers see these in the laundry and on clothes lines. I'd be afraid that would be more enticing to male hormones and create more lusts then wearing more recent dresses/skirts/blouses. Seems the brothers might get to wondering which set of matched underwear that a sister might be wearing with her sackcloth and ashes dresses! 😉
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Post by nathan on Oct 31, 2018 17:53:05 GMT -5
Ironically, some sister workers will wear the requisite uniform dress code but underneath they are wearing top line bras, hose, underpants, and even slips that all are matched. Some actually have Victoria Secret matching underclothes. I am surprised because the brothers see these in the laundry and on clothes lines. I'd be afraid that would be more enticing to male hormones and create more lusts then wearing more recent dresses/skirts/blouses. Seems the brothers might get to wondering which set of matched underwear that a sister might be wearing with her sackcloth and ashes dresses! 😉 Thanks, be to God I wasn't allow to go to the laundry room when I was a worker! When I was a worker the friends took us shopping and they want us to have the BEST, because it last longer, comfortable and durable. I always looked for good deals, or buy things on SALE at half price or less.... I think the sister workers felt the same way. We bought good quality clothes at a reasonable price.
The friends wanted us to look good and presentable because they want others to KNOW the servants of God are taken care of like Jesus had said, they will gain 100 folds. They friends gave us the best and in return we want to give them our best also.
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Post by snow on Oct 31, 2018 18:13:52 GMT -5
Ironically, some sister workers will wear the requisite uniform dress code but underneath they are wearing top line bras, hose, underpants, and even slips that all are matched. Some actually have Victoria Secret matching underclothes. I am surprised because the brothers see these in the laundry and on clothes lines. I'd be afraid that would be more enticing to male hormones and create more lusts then wearing more recent dresses/skirts/blouses. Seems the brothers might get to wondering which set of matched underwear that a sister might be wearing with her sackcloth and ashes dresses! 😉 Okay, not there's a visual I really didn't need lol... Really? Victoria Secret! Still waters run deep I guess. Now is that biblical?
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Post by daft on Nov 1, 2018 8:51:38 GMT -5
But the way the sister workers have to dress or want to dress, doesn't make any sense. There are plenty of nice modest outfits that are more up to date than that and they aren't any more expensive. In the Madagascar workers picture 2015 there is a sister worker there in a very nice suit outfit. So if some can look nice and modest and still up to date, why do they still cling to what they have worn since the group started in 1898? I asked the question wanting to know why they cling to that 'look' and I still want to know. I don't hate them because they dress like that. I don't dislike them because they dress like that, I just don't understand WHY they dress like that. It makes sense to them to dress this way. It's the rest of the world that doesn't see things clearly. Consider how small their circle of social influence really is because they place value on the opinions of those inside the group and not on those outside of the group. They see the same people year after year, associate with people of similar practices day after day. Change occurs in this group in much smaller steps than in culture at large because they look inward instead of looking outward, towards "the world" so to speak.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 1, 2018 10:05:26 GMT -5
Ironically, some sister workers will wear the requisite uniform dress code but underneath they are wearing top line bras, hose, underpants, and even slips that all are matched. Some actually have Victoria Secret matching underclothes. I am surprised because the brothers see these in the laundry and on clothes lines. I'd be afraid that would be more enticing to male hormones and create more lusts then wearing more recent dresses/skirts/blouses. Seems the brothers might get to wondering which set of matched underwear that a sister might be wearing with her sackcloth and ashes dresses! 😉 Okay, not there's a visual I really didn't need lol... Really? Victoria Secret! Still waters run deep I guess. Now is that biblical? It's their figleaf? Just a bit more lasting being material not leaves which dry and shatter! 😊
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 1, 2018 10:15:04 GMT -5
But the way the sister workers have to dress or want to dress, doesn't make any sense. There are plenty of nice modest outfits that are more up to date than that and they aren't any more expensive. In the Madagascar workers picture 2015 there is a sister worker there in a very nice suit outfit. So if some can look nice and modest and still up to date, why do they still cling to what they have worn since the group started in 1898? I asked the question wanting to know why they cling to that 'look' and I still want to know. I don't hate them because they dress like that. I don't dislike them because they dress like that, I just don't understand WHY they dress like that. It makes sense to them to dress this way. It's the rest of the world that doesn't see things clearly. Consider how small their circle of social influence really is because they place value on the opinions of those inside the group and not on those outside of the group. They see the same people year after year, associate with people of similar practices day after day. Change occurs in this group in much smaller steps than in culture at large because they look inward instead of looking outward, towards "the world" so to speak. The brothers have come up out of their 1897 wardrobe. They don't buy ugly brown undershorts and only one pair because having only one pair called for the brown color. Poor brothers would stop by a creek or some body of water and wash their clothes maybe having a bar of lye soap to do all their washing needs. Probably be used their pajamas while they washed their duds. But on the other hand if sisters are cognizant that it's the grand thing to have name brand matching underwear, they aren't totally unaware what the modest styles are in the current era for outerwear. To be fair, there are some sisters who have up to date clothing and often looked very well. Usually in a conv picture you have workers that have on everyday clothes because they are actually working during the conv. It's usually the next speakers you'll see in dress up duds.
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Post by ellie on Nov 3, 2018 5:04:48 GMT -5
Ironically, some sister workers will wear the requisite uniform dress code but underneath they are wearing top line bras, hose, underpants, and even slips that all are matched. Some actually have Victoria Secret matching underclothes. I am surprised because the brothers see these in the laundry and on clothes lines. I'd be afraid that would be more enticing to male hormones and create more lusts then wearing more recent dresses/skirts/blouses. Seems the brothers might get to wondering which set of matched underwear that a sister might be wearing with her sackcloth and ashes dresses! 😉 Well maybe it's hung on the communal line as I'm not sure... If the Victoria's secret underwear falls to the ground and nobody sees it is it still sexy? (FWIW I've never seen sister workers with Victoria's Secret equivalent underwear)
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Post by jetmech on Nov 3, 2018 8:07:27 GMT -5
That looks more like a photo from 1918, instead of 2018. I suspect the "ordinary man" viewing that photo would think; these women want to draw attention to their old time dresses. It's funny how overdoing the modesty thing works, yet I doubt they see it that way. :-) JMT I've been observing the changing colors of the Fall leaves brandishing/reflecting their gorgeous hues under the morning sun in 7 different east coast states I've driven through in the past 2 days and I'll bet they looked exactly the same in 1918 and just as beautiful;I'll bet the sky looks the same, as well as sunrises and sunsets reflecting on the oceans and the fish and animals and birds haven't changed their clothes. I love this picture of the workers and I believe that modesty is what the world needs nowadays more than anything
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Post by nathan on Nov 3, 2018 8:30:22 GMT -5
That looks more like a photo from 1918, instead of 2018. I suspect the "ordinary man" viewing that photo would think; these women want to draw attention to their old time dresses. It's funny how overdoing the modesty thing works, yet I doubt they see it that way. :-) JMT I've been observing the changing colors of the Fall leaves brandishing/reflecting their gorgeous hues under the morning sun in 7 different east coast states I've driven through in the past 2 days and I'll bet they looked exactly the same in 1918 and just as beautiful;I'll bet the sky looks the same, as well as sunrises and sunsets reflecting on the oceans and the fish and animals and birds haven't changed their clothes. I love this picture of the workers and I believe that modesty is what the world needs nowadays more than anything Modesty and Simplicity are the KEY to INNER beauty glows/shines on the face others can see it... The beauty is in the EYE of the Beholder... Even the ornament of MEEK and quite spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. We are here to please God and NOT men or women.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 3, 2018 8:50:39 GMT -5
I've been observing the changing colors of the Fall leaves brandishing/reflecting their gorgeous hues under the morning sun in 7 different east coast states I've driven through in the past 2 days and I'll bet they looked exactly the same in 1918 and just as beautiful;I'll bet the sky looks the same, as well as sunrises and sunsets reflecting on the oceans and the fish and animals and birds haven't changed their clothes. I love this picture of the workers and I believe that modesty is what the world needs nowadays more than anything Modesty and Simplicity are the KEY to INNER beauty glows on the face... The beauty is in the EYE of the Beholder... Even the ornament of MEEK and quite spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. We are here to please God and NOT men or women.
Back when there were no cars nor airplanes and people rode horses and buggies they had time to sit down and share meals with family . . every day three times a day, seven days a week. They had time to do everything. Today we have microwaves, jet aircraft, computers, android smart phones, to get things done much faster, yet we have no time to sit down and share even one meal with family and not enough time to do anything. What's wrong with that picture?
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Post by xna on Nov 3, 2018 9:06:53 GMT -5
That looks more like a photo from 1918, instead of 2018. I suspect the "ordinary man" viewing that photo would think; these women want to draw attention to their old time dresses. It's funny how overdoing the modesty thing works, yet I doubt they see it that way. :-) JMT I've been observing the changing colors of the Fall leaves brandishing/reflecting their gorgeous hues under the morning sun in 7 different east coast states I've driven through in the past 2 days and I'll bet they looked exactly the same in 1918 and just as beautiful; I'll bet the sky looks the same, as well as sunrises and sunsets reflecting on the oceans and the fish and animals and birds haven't changed their clothes. I love this picture of the workers and I believe that modesty is what the world needs nowadays more than anything There were no jets in the sky back in 1918. Wilbur and Orville Wright hadn't made their 1st flight. No one in 1918 would believe you could travel so far and so fast in an airplane in 2018. Progress comes from thinking men who seek constant improvement. Religious dogma chains holds you in the past with it's superstitions.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 3, 2018 9:54:00 GMT -5
I've been observing the changing colors of the Fall leaves brandishing/reflecting their gorgeous hues under the morning sun in 7 different east coast states I've driven through in the past 2 days and I'll bet they looked exactly the same in 1918 and just as beautiful; I'll bet the sky looks the same, as well as sunrises and sunsets reflecting on the oceans and the fish and animals and birds haven't changed their clothes. I love this picture of the workers and I believe that modesty is what the world needs nowadays more than anything There were no jets in the sky back in 1918. Wilbur and Orville Wright hadn't made their 1st flight. No one in 1918 would believe you could travel so far and so fast in an airplane in 2018. Progress comes from thinking men who seek constant improvement. Religious dogma chains holds you in the past with it's superstitions. I see you missed my point; but, arguing with someone who just wants to argue about everything is pointless really, and by the way not EVERYONE was superstitious in older times I wouldn't think.
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Post by xna on Nov 3, 2018 10:05:54 GMT -5
I see you missed my who point; but, arguing with someone who just wants to argue about everything is pointless really, and by the way not EVERYONE was superstitious in older times I wouldn't think. How to Join the Amish
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 3, 2018 11:48:19 GMT -5
Ironically, some sister workers will wear the requisite uniform dress code but underneath they are wearing top line bras, hose, underpants, and even slips that all are matched. Some actually have Victoria Secret matching underclothes. I am surprised because the brothers see these in the laundry and on clothes lines. I'd be afraid that would be more enticing to male hormones and create more lusts then wearing more recent dresses/skirts/blouses. Seems the brothers might get to wondering which set of matched underwear that a sister might be wearing with her sackcloth and ashes dresses! 😉 Well maybe it's hung on the communal line as I'm not sure... If the Victoria's secret underwear falls to the ground and nobody sees it is it still sexy? (FWIW I've never seen sister workers with Victoria's Secret equivalent underwear) I worked in the preps laundry and you kind of learn who's who by their laundry. I've never checked the brand name of under wear per se, most remove the brand tag. However what I've seen is very close if not the same, as Victoria Secret brand. No there wasn't any split crotches, etc but very, very feminine apparel. As to underwear on the ground and no one seeing it? I'd think it'd be what whoever bought it for.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 3, 2018 17:49:12 GMT -5
There were no jets in the sky back in 1918. Wilbur and Orville Wright hadn't made their 1st flight. No one in 1918 would believe you could travel so far and so fast in an airplane in 2018. Progress comes from thinking men who seek constant improvement. Religious dogma chains holds you in the past with it's superstitions. I see you missed my point; but, arguing with someone who just wants to argue about everything is pointless really, and by the way not EVERYONE was superstitious in older times I wouldn't think. Xna ... you essentially said the same thing I did but let me attempt to clarify my point ... my point was that when people, like the Amish, lived a slow-paced life they had plenty of time to do things ... now, you'd think with all the gadgets, apparatus's, and things the modern world has invented, to do things faster and save time, that we'd have more time than those,"slow pokes" to run errands, sit down to a home cooked meal three times a day, go visit relatives, go to meeting etc; but, ... we have LESS time even with the task expeditors we've created ... than those "slow poke" Amish do. In other words Time is collapsing upon the modern world and we are destroying genuine contentment, peacefulness, simplicity, and modesty. Do you get it now XNA? Don't get mad or militant if this frustrates you Lemme know if you need more explanation. Thanks.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 3, 2018 18:11:00 GMT -5
I see you missed my point; but, arguing with someone who just wants to argue about everything is pointless really, and by the way not EVERYONE was superstitious in older times I wouldn't think. Xna ... you essentially said the same thing I did but let me attempt to clarify my point ... my point was that when people, like the Amish, lived a slow-paced life they had plenty of time to do things ... now, you'd think with all the gadgets, apparatus's, and things the modern world has invented, to do things faster and save time, that we'd have more time than those,"slow pokes" to run errands, sit down to a home cooked meal three times a day, go visit relatives, go to meeting etc; but, ... we have LESS time even with the task expeditors we've created ... than those "slow poke" Amish do. In other words Time is collapsing upon the modern world and we are destroying genuine contentment, peacefulness, simplicity, and modesty. Do you get it now XNA? Don't get mad or militant if this frustrates you Lemme know if you need more explanation. Thanks. I agree Jetmech. I think the problem is we are caught up in our own affluence. The reality of life ought to be the production of food and shelter. Not going to Disney or playing space invaders.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 3, 2018 18:24:12 GMT -5
Xna ... you essentially said the same thing I did but let me attempt to clarify my point ... my point was that when people, like the Amish, lived a slow-paced life they had plenty of time to do things ... now, you'd think with all the gadgets, apparatus's, and things the modern world has invented, to do things faster and save time, that we'd have more time than those,"slow pokes" to run errands, sit down to a home cooked meal three times a day, go visit relatives, go to meeting etc; but, ... we have LESS time even with the task expeditors we've created ... than those "slow poke" Amish do. In other words Time is collapsing upon the modern world and we are destroying genuine contentment, peacefulness, simplicity, and modesty. Do you get it now XNA? Don't get mad or militant if this frustrates you Lemme know if you need more explanation. Thanks. I agree Jetmech. I think the problem is we are caught up in our own affluence. The reality of life ought to be the production of food and shelter. Not going to Disney or playing space invaders. How true!!!
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Post by xna on Nov 3, 2018 18:27:51 GMT -5
I see you missed my point; but, arguing with someone who just wants to argue about everything is pointless really, and by the way not EVERYONE was superstitious in older times I wouldn't think. Xna ... you essentially said the same thing I did but let me attempt to clarify my point ... my point was that when people, like the Amish, lived a slow-paced life they had plenty of time to do things ... now, you'd think with all the gadgets, apparatus's, and things the modern world has invented, to do things faster and save time, that we'd have more time than those,"slow pokes" to run errands, sit down to a home cooked meal three times a day, go visit relatives, go to meeting etc; but, ... we have LESS time even with the task expeditors we've created ... than those "slow poke" Amish do. In other words Time is collapsing upon the modern world and we are destroying genuine contentment, peacefulness, simplicity, and modesty. Do you get it now XNA? Don't get mad or militant if this frustrates you Lemme know if you need more explanation. Thanks. I knew what you were saying. :-) My point was is if you really want a slower paced lifestyle you can choose that lifestyle. The Amish lifestyle may look easy, but it's not. The key to adult leisure is; reduced wants for stuff, having a lot of kids and making them work for you. In days of old by age 40 they may have had a dozen kids, and the adults job was mainly supervisory. Besides flying on a jet plane makes time slow down just a little, so you can have more time in your day than was possible in 1918.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 3, 2018 18:45:06 GMT -5
Xna ... you essentially said the same thing I did but let me attempt to clarify my point ... my point was that when people, like the Amish, lived a slow-paced life they had plenty of time to do things ... now, you'd think with all the gadgets, apparatus's, and things the modern world has invented, to do things faster and save time, that we'd have more time than those,"slow pokes" to run errands, sit down to a home cooked meal three times a day, go visit relatives, go to meeting etc; but, ... we have LESS time even with the task expeditors we've created ... than those "slow poke" Amish do. In other words Time is collapsing upon the modern world and we are destroying genuine contentment, peacefulness, simplicity, and modesty. Do you get it now XNA? Don't get mad or militant if this frustrates you Lemme know if you need more explanation. Thanks. I knew what you were saying. :-) My point was is if you really want a slower paced lifestyle you can choose that lifestyle. The Amish lifestyle may look easy, but it's not. The key to adult leisure is; reduced wants for stuff, having a lot of kids and making them work for you. In days of old by age 40 they may have had a dozen kids, and the adults job was mainly supervisory. Besides flying on a jet plane makes time slow down just a little, so you can have more time in your day than was possible in 1918. Yes, but Dinglemouse went so fast his tail caught fire and he had to sit in a bucket of water.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 3, 2018 20:04:51 GMT -5
Xna ... you essentially said the same thing I did but let me attempt to clarify my point ... my point was that when people, like the Amish, lived a slow-paced life they had plenty of time to do things ... now, you'd think with all the gadgets, apparatus's, and things the modern world has invented, to do things faster and save time, that we'd have more time than those,"slow pokes" to run errands, sit down to a home cooked meal three times a day, go visit relatives, go to meeting etc; but, ... we have LESS time even with the task expeditors we've created ... than those "slow poke" Amish do. In other words Time is collapsing upon the modern world and we are destroying genuine contentment, peacefulness, simplicity, and modesty. Do you get it now XNA? Don't get mad or militant if this frustrates you Lemme know if you need more explanation. Thanks. I knew what you were saying. :-) My point was is if you really want a slower paced lifestyle you can choose that lifestyle. The Amish lifestyle may look easy, but it's not. The key to adult leisure is; reduced wants for stuff, having a lot of kids and making them work for you. In days of old by age 40 they may have had a dozen kids, and the adults job was mainly supervisory. Besides flying on a jet plane makes time slow down just a little, so you can have more time in your day than was possible in 1918. I didn't intend to insinuate whatsoever that we live a slower lifestyle. I didn't ... I swear it, and,I've seen Amish on aircraft and trains; but, what I'm saying is we need to make some "adjustments" ... to compromise if you will. Specifically, we need to back off our gadgetry. Take TV for example, it is one of our biggest time stealers and it becomes an idol very easily when people spend hours upon hours in front of the "box" and relinguish prescious time that could have been spent doing productive things, like more praying and bible reading; which is why the bible admonishes us against idoltry I believe. When our gadgets control us they become as idols, and that is where the problems arise. The picture of the workers is peaceful, modesty-invoking of a relaxed folk who have peace and serenity in this crazy world and they have time to read and pray and hold meetings, because they shun worldliness and the vanity if gadgetry.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 3, 2018 20:46:50 GMT -5
I knew what you were saying. :-) My point was is if you really want a slower paced lifestyle you can choose that lifestyle. The Amish lifestyle may look easy, but it's not. The key to adult leisure is; reduced wants for stuff, having a lot of kids and making them work for you. In days of old by age 40 they may have had a dozen kids, and the adults job was mainly supervisory. Besides flying on a jet plane makes time slow down just a little, so you can have more time in your day than was possible in 1918. I didn't intend to insinuate whatsoever that we live a slower lifestyle. I didn't ... I swear it, and,I've seen Amish on aircraft and trains; but, what I'm saying is we need to make some "adjustments" ... to compromise if you will. Specifically, we need to back off our gadgetry. Take TV for example, it is one of our biggest time stealers and it becomes an idol very easily when people spend hours upon hours in front of the "box" and relinguish prescious time that could have been spent doing productive things, like more praying and bible reading; which is why the bible admonishes us against idoltry I believe. When our gadgets control us they become as idols, and that is where the problems arise. The picture of the workers is peaceful, modesty-invoking of a relaxed folk who have peace and serenity in this crazy world and they have time to read and pray and hold meetings, because they shun worldliness and the vanity if gadgetry. You lost me when you said that praying(talking to non existant supernaturals) and bible reading are productive. Other than that, anything we do that is non productive instead of spending time on productive is lost time. I think it's a long bow you are drawing tho when you call it idolatry.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 3, 2018 21:30:14 GMT -5
I didn't intend to insinuate whatsoever that we live a slower lifestyle. I didn't ... I swear it, and,I've seen Amish on aircraft and trains; but, what I'm saying is we need to make some "adjustments" ... to compromise if you will. Specifically, we need to back off our gadgetry. Take TV for example, it is one of our biggest time stealers and it becomes an idol very easily when people spend hours upon hours in front of the "box" and relinguish prescious time that could have been spent doing productive things, like more praying and bible reading; which is why the bible admonishes us against idoltry I believe. When our gadgets control us they become as idols, and that is where the problems arise. The picture of the workers is peaceful, modesty-invoking of a relaxed folk who have peace and serenity in this crazy world and they have time to read and pray and hold meetings, because they shun worldliness and the vanity if gadgetry. You lost me when you said that praying(talking to non existant supernaturals) and bible reading are productive. Other than that, anything we do that is non productive instead of spending time on productive is lost time. I think it's a long bow you are drawing tho when you call it idolatry. Funny how some of the f&W "shun worldliness" but have the latest "gadgetry" (phones and laptop) and of course they fly all over the world in planes ! Of course we cannot forget that the workers have time to read, pray and hold meetings because someone else is providing for them !
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Post by jetmech on Nov 3, 2018 21:31:32 GMT -5
I didn't intend to insinuate whatsoever that we live a slower lifestyle. I didn't ... I swear it, and,I've seen Amish on aircraft and trains; but, what I'm saying is we need to make some "adjustments" ... to compromise if you will. Specifically, we need to back off our gadgetry. Take TV for example, it is one of our biggest time stealers and it becomes an idol very easily when people spend hours upon hours in front of the "box" and relinguish prescious time that could have been spent doing productive things, like more praying and bible reading; which is why the bible admonishes us against idoltry I believe. When our gadgets control us they become as idols, and that is where the problems arise. The picture of the workers is peaceful, modesty-invoking of a relaxed folk who have peace and serenity in this crazy world and they have time to read and pray and hold meetings, because they shun worldliness and the vanity if gadgetry. You lost me when you said that praying(talking to non existant supernaturals) and bible reading are productive. Other than that, anything we do that is non productive instead of spending time on productive is lost time. I think it's a long bow you are drawing tho when you call it idolatry. I could same some crude thing like tell GOD that on your death bed ... IF you get the chance, but I won't ... instead, I'd like to say you have every right to believe as you wish; but, the workers have just as much of a right to believe and live as they choose. You make fun of that photo of the Kansas convention and follow it by negative comments regarding GOD, so evidentally you see some type of relationship between those workers and GOD. Think about it ... you have every right to believe and live as YOU choose. GOD created you that way and gave you the freedom to choose your destiny ... now, with that said, have any of those workers made fun of you or have they made fun of photos of you? They NEVER will. Ever ...I'm saying people should respect their rights as much as they respect theirs. I don't feel comfortable myself making fun of GOD or the existence of GOD and I would never do it ... even if it meant death for me.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 3, 2018 21:41:01 GMT -5
You lost me when you said that praying(talking to non existant supernaturals) and bible reading are productive. Other than that, anything we do that is non productive instead of spending time on productive is lost time. I think it's a long bow you are drawing tho when you call it idolatry. Funny how some of the f&W "shun worldliness" but have the latest "gadgetry" (phones and laptop) and of course they fly all over the world in planes ! Of course we cannot forget that the workers have time to read, pray and hold meetings because someone else is providing for
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Post by emy on Nov 3, 2018 21:48:47 GMT -5
Xna ... you essentially said the same thing I did but let me attempt to clarify my point ... my point was that when people, like the Amish, lived a slow-paced life they had plenty of time to do things ... now, you'd think with all the gadgets, apparatus's, and things the modern world has invented, to do things faster and save time, that we'd have more time than those,"slow pokes" to run errands, sit down to a home cooked meal three times a day, go visit relatives, go to meeting etc; but, ... we have LESS time even with the task expeditors we've created ... than those "slow poke" Amish do. In other words Time is collapsing upon the modern world and we are destroying genuine contentment, peacefulness, simplicity, and modesty. Do you get it now XNA? Don't get mad or militant if this frustrates you Lemme know if you need more explanation. Thanks. I have thought of this sometimes for several years. Thinking about how much work our parents/grandparents had to do without as much help from machines and technology, how is it that they had plenty of time to visit neighbors and friends, do intricate handwork, read, etc. We are surely too much on a fast track, but I haven't quite figured out how to get off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2018 21:54:51 GMT -5
You lost me when you said that praying(talking to non existant supernaturals) and bible reading are productive. Other than that, anything we do that is non productive instead of spending time on productive is lost time. I think it's a long bow you are drawing tho when you call it idolatry. Of course we cannot forget that the workers have time to read, pray and hold meetings because someone else is providing for them ! as it should be....
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Post by nathan on Nov 3, 2018 21:54:58 GMT -5
Funny how some of the f&W "shun worldliness" but have the latest "gadgetry" (phones and laptop) and of course they fly all over the world in planes ! Of course we cannot forget that the workers have time to read, pray and hold meetings because someone else is providing for The exes like to find faults with the friends and the workers in almost everything they do... Most people in USA have I-phones, Internet, computers these days. Do you want them to live like the Amish in the 21st century? We read Paul and his co-workers travel to many countries traveled by ships in their 3 missions, weren't they worldly 2000 yrs ago?
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