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Post by nathan on Nov 4, 2018 11:51:21 GMT -5
1) Xna wrote: This is how I see it. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all have the primary focus on "the god". In some other non-Abrahamic religions the focus is more on "the self", their growth and and their interaction with other people, and how they fit into nature. So, yes the Abrahamic religions have the more arrogant position than the non-Abrahamic religions.
~~ You see the "Abrahamic and Christianity" as arrogance religion but it's the TRUTH, there is no way round about it. Take it or leave it kind of thing. Peter said to the Jews who didn't believe in Jesus as the Messiah/Savior in Acts 4:10-12 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
It's Christ who SAVES us NOT John the Baptist! He was a messenger NOT a Savior of our Soul.
2) I like the second group better than the 1st group. But there is no reason to follow any. Pick the good parts for each and discard the supernatural mumbo jumbo.Now within Christianity, some sects are more exclusive than others. The "tell" is if you have joined one and then join another, do they make you be re-baptized? If they require re-baptism, then Jesus alone is not enough for them, and you have to have their secret sauce. The 2x2 fall into the more arrogant sects. ~~ Well, we read in the Gospels about two of John the Baptist disciples re-baptized when they became followers and apostles of Jesus. We also read in Acts 19 Paul decided to re-baptize 12 disciples of John the Baptists and it was approval by God because the Holy Spirit came upon them.
I was a Pentecostal believer and baptized by my preacher, but it was my choice that I wanted the workers to re-baptize me after I professed. John the apostle wrote I John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
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Post by xna on Nov 4, 2018 12:15:47 GMT -5
Well, Xna... you live your life the way you believe is right and true for you and I will live my life the way I believe. That's the best anyone can do. God will be the judge of Our Eternal destiny. That is my belief and understanding. Ahh the What if you are wrong question
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Post by nathan on Nov 4, 2018 12:24:29 GMT -5
The Christians are NOT WRONG! because Christ/God who came down from heaven, and lived in the person/man of Jesus on earth to show us the WAY back to the Father. Jesus mapped out the way to the Father and that we MUST follow in His footsteps. The Resurrection of Jesus has proved, he is NOT wrong but the ONLY WAY to the Father and home, where we belong in the first place NOT in HELL=Everlasting Lake of Fire with Satan and his fallen angels.
Paul answers this in I Cor. 15:12-28 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 4, 2018 14:18:54 GMT -5
~~... it's the TRUTH, there is no way round about it. Take it or leave it kind of thing ...
You should start a new thread something like.... " We are NOT ARROGANT - Just the only right ones" as we are drifting away from the convention photo discussion. :-) For an example, a couple decides to get married, they don't want to go to a fraud or unqualified judge to sign their marriage license do they?
Marriage is a social construct aka "traditions of men". Traditions change with the times. You can see people don't need to get married to be happy, don't need to get married to be good parents, and don't even need to be the same sex. No judge need sign a marriage license. For me I have a traditional marriage. We met in high school and have been happy and faithful all our lives. But I don't think that's for everyone. There isn't one shoe that fits all feet. Everyone should find their own happiness in what way works for them and doesn't harm others. You only have one life to live, make the most of it, before it's too late. I agree ... because it's true ... the workers/friends ARE, the only ones that are right !!! I know you know it now ... just admit it, then devine healing will take place and you'lk feel better finally!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 4, 2018 16:19:54 GMT -5
You should start a new thread something like.... " We are NOT ARROGANT - Just the only right ones" as we are drifting away from the convention photo discussion. :-) Marriage is a social construct aka "traditions of men". Traditions change with the times. You can see people don't need to get married to be happy, don't need to get married to be good parents, and don't even need to be the same sex. No judge need sign a marriage license. For me I have a traditional marriage. We met in high school and have been happy and faithful all our lives. But I don't think that's for everyone. There isn't one shoe that fits all feet. Everyone should find their own happiness in what way works for them and doesn't harm others. You only have one life to live, make the most of it, before it's too late. I agree ... because it's true ... the workers/friends ARE, the only ones that are right !!! I know you know it now ... just admit it, then devine healing will take place and you'lk feel better finally! You remind me of the Don McLean song " Everybody loves me baby, whats the matter with you"
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 4, 2018 19:00:57 GMT -5
You should start a new thread something like.... " We are NOT ARROGANT - Just the only right ones" as we are drifting away from the convention photo discussion. :-) Marriage is a social construct aka "traditions of men". Traditions change with the times. You can see people don't need to get married to be happy, don't need to get married to be good parents, and don't even need to be the same sex. No judge need sign a marriage license. For me I have a traditional marriage. We met in high school and have been happy and faithful all our lives. But I don't think that's for everyone. There isn't one shoe that fits all feet. Everyone should find their own happiness in what way works for them and doesn't harm others. You only have one life to live, make the most of it, before it's too late. I agree ... because it's true ... the workers/friends ARE, the only ones that are right !!! I know you know it now ... just admit it, then devine healing will take place and you'lk feel better finally! So all the people who lived and died before Irvine started his cult are going to hell in your opinion jetmech !!!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 5, 2018 2:22:48 GMT -5
Believe it or not the same thing has happened to me; but, I know many genuinely good workers. Clinton Heldstab is a good example. He's deceased now but he was a very good person. I can't imagine him ever having even one enemy. Yes. you are right, -he was a very good person.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 5, 2018 2:46:06 GMT -5
Modesty and Simplicity are the KEY to INNER beauty glows on the face... The beauty is in the EYE of the Beholder... Even the ornament of MEEK and quite spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. We are here to please God and NOT men or women.
Back when there were no cars nor airplanes and people rode horses and buggies they had time to sit down and share meals with family . . every day three times a day, seven days a week. They had time to do everything. Today we have microwaves, jet aircraft, computers, android smart phones, to get things done much faster, yet we have no time to sit down and share even one meal with family and not enough time to do anything. What's wrong with that picture? I would bet that you didn't live back in those days, jetmech!
Who do you think had to work to provide for that food on the table "every day three times a day, seven days a week?" Who in a hot kitchen in the summer had to cook those meals "every day three times a day, seven days a week?"
They did NOT "have time to do everything." There was some good about those days but certainly not all.
I have noticed that the people who get all nostalgic about them never lived in them. In any age it is up to the person to decide what amongst the new easier ways of living to choose as to how to use their time.
You just have to stop and think about what is most important to you.
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