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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2006 1:33:57 GMT -5
This is the yard (just outside the right big door) at the Stockholm convention grounds where the workers (Eldon Knudson, Dean Johnson, Steve Sorenson and Larry Stevens) informed us of our unsuitability for fellowship in the 2x2 group. -- 5 years ago this Sunday.
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Post by sm on Jul 20, 2006 2:24:05 GMT -5
Curious..as to how it feels to look at that picture now...? have you driven by the grounds since?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2006 4:45:54 GMT -5
Curious..as to how it feels to look at that picture now...? have you driven by the grounds since? No, we haven't been back since -- I doubt if we would be welcome --- Actually Stockholm is a 6 hour drive from where we live so we are very seldom in the city at all. We did meet one of the owners of the convention grounds at a funeral this week -- and did have a little, quite civil, chit-chat. Seems like that, for most of the friends and workers, it is a chapter they all choose to ignore and try to forget. To answer your question --- looking at the picture does awaken feeling -- mostly regarding how much has changed in our lives since then. God has been wonderously good to us, and we do feel thankful!! At this point, it is hard for me to understand that we didn't understand the self-centered and hypocritic aspects of the group, much sooner.
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Post by juju on Jul 20, 2006 10:03:08 GMT -5
Good for you Edgar...I've wondered about how long you would have stayed in the 2x2 way if you hadn't been asked to leave......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2006 13:49:32 GMT -5
Good for you Edgar...I've wondered about how long you would have stayed in the 2x2 way if you hadn't been asked to leave...... From the persective of 5 years later – it is amazing how different things look to us than they did then. I am quite sure that nothing less traumatic would have given me the inspiration to pull up my roots and begin this completely new and wonderful chapter of my life. In this sense I feel that our father in heaven moved the workers to say the things they said, and do the things they did. We feel an understanding for the wording in the book of Exodus where it says that “The lord hardened Pharoes heart” so that he did not harken to their wishes. 5 years later this is my our song. Ps 40:1-17 I waited patiently for the Lord; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. [2] He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. [3] And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord. [4] Blessed is that man that maketh the Lord his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies. [5] Many, O Lord my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered. [6] Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. [7] Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, [8] I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. [9] I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O Lord, thou knowest. [10] I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation. [11] Withhold not thou thy tender mercies from me, O Lord: let thy lovingkindness and thy truth continually preserve me. [12] For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart faileth me. [13] Be pleased, O Lord, to deliver me: O Lord, make haste to help me. [14] Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil. [15] Let them be desolate for a reward of their shame that say unto me, Aha, aha. [16] Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: let such as love thy salvation say continually, The Lord be magnified. [17] But I am poor and needy; yet the Lord thinketh upon me: thou art my help and my deliverer; make no tarrying, O my God.
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Post by Brenda on Jul 20, 2006 18:31:34 GMT -5
Have you writtten your story somewhere? I would enjoy reading it.
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Post by las logged out on Jul 20, 2006 18:37:07 GMT -5
I think Edgar should be part of any 2x2 video in future one needs accountable workers to testify against the head two by two organization and any others that have been workers also along with the original 2x2 history it would compose a satisfactory video
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Post by sm on Jul 21, 2006 1:40:43 GMT -5
lol, am I the only one who can imagine a movie on this lil known sect? I'm glad things have worked out for the best for you Edgar It's hard not to feel something , when it was so much a part of our lives at one time, Mostly.. I feel sad for those who are still inside, and ignorant, it's one thing to choose to stay, despite knowing of what happens, but there are still soo many who are completely ignorant, because they're not in the inside track.
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Post by a believer on Jul 21, 2006 3:47:31 GMT -5
How many years were you a worker Edgar? and what countries were you a worker in?
Is that a convention bulding Edgar? What is it used for at onvention and what is it used for the rest year?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2006 4:16:03 GMT -5
How many years were you a worker Edgar? and what countries were you a worker in? Is that a convention bulding Edgar? What is it used for at onvention and what is it used for the rest year? I was in the work for 16 year in all. 8 of them in Canada and 8 of them in Scandianavia (mostly in Sweden) Yes the picture is the main convention building of the Stockholm convention. It is used for the meeting hall, for dinning (including kitchen facilities) and the second floor is used for sleeping accomodation. The kitchen area and most of the sleeping area isn't used for much else -- Some of the other area is used in the flower business the owners run. I believe that some of the 2nd floor is used for special meetings and other group gatherings through the year as well. I think that workers also use some of the sleeping area throughout the year -- but like I said in a previous post, I haven´t been there for a number of years now. Here is a link to a pix of the meeting hall www.themasseys.net/familypix/2000/2000-07StockholmConv/MeetingRoom.jpgHere is a link to the dining area www.themasseys.net/familypix/2000/2000-07StockholmConv/TheEatingArea.jpg
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Post by a believer on Jul 21, 2006 15:53:18 GMT -5
.........But I thought that they did not believe in 'church; buildings? More deception in that they are trying to hide the building by building it on someone elses property as part of a farm. And what a waste, to only use it a few times a year. Did they ask the congregation could they use the building for flowers other times or is there no accountability to the members of this church of what the money is spent on?
Guess I should start thinking of buying a farm and using money from the people to build buildings on my farm. Good business. How could the owners account to the tax man by having a building on the farm that they didn't pay for? The tax department would ask where did the money come from and then the workers money dealings be investigated.
My guess is that the workers probably have registered 'the Christian Convention church' with the tax department or they would surely have been found out by now.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jul 21, 2006 16:01:43 GMT -5
Wow what a nice church building...UM I mean Barn
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Post by cult movie on Jul 21, 2006 19:00:34 GMT -5
lol, am I the only one who can imagine a movie on this lil known sect? I'm glad things have worked out for the best for you Edgar It's hard not to feel something , when it was so much a part of our lives at one time, Mostly.. I feel sad for those who are still inside, and ignorant, it's one thing to choose to stay, despite knowing of what happens, but there are still soo many who are completely ignorant, because they're not in the inside track. There is a movie called, "The Village" that is interesting.
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Post by bluejay on Jul 21, 2006 21:06:23 GMT -5
I think Edgar should be part of any 2x2 video in future one needs accountable workers to testify against the head two by two organization and any others that have been workers also along with the original 2x2 history it would compose a satisfactory video I was hoping to audition for the part of "waitress" at the workers table in any 2x2 video produced, as I never quite measured up during my professing years. Now I understand some conventions are buffet style? Hmmmmmmm I guess that ends my hopes of a career in film or video.
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Post by Into The Light on Jul 24, 2006 0:37:00 GMT -5
Maybe a documentary film could be shot of the 2x2s using minuturized video equipment. Meetings (of all types) could be filmed, and interviews with workers & friends could be made. I propose a title for the film, "Into The Light: The Secret Sect".
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Post by jxr on Jul 24, 2006 5:20:33 GMT -5
I think Edgar should be part of any 2x2 video in future one needs accountable workers to testify against the head two by two organization and any others that have been workers also along with the original 2x2 history it would compose a satisfactory video I was hoping to audition for the part of "waitress" at the workers table in any 2x2 video produced, as I never quite measured up during my professing years. Now I understand some conventions are buffet style? Hmmmmmmm I guess that ends my hopes of a career in film or video. Don't stress bluejay. We'll shoot a scene where a worker is steamrolling* an unbaptised toiilet cleaner. You're welcome to audition. *the conventional definition, that is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2006 2:29:38 GMT -5
Found this pix sequence from the last convention we were at -- It was in Carema Italy -- it was after we had been zapped by the Scandinavian workers --but Alex Barnato (in the work in Italy at that time) invited us and we came. www.themasseys.net/familypix/2001/2001-08HolidayInEurope/2001-08Italy/Carema/-Viewer.aspEdgar Everyone knew what had happened to us in Sweden -- but folks did make us welcome there. (I believe the senior worker has since been replaced by a more "loyal" fellow) ( and the worker that invited us was expelled from the work and all meetings shortly after)
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Post by to Edgar on Aug 6, 2006 8:01:42 GMT -5
What a striking difference in the appearances of your wife and children! In three years on this site I'd never seen pics of her in her 2x2 mode as on the link you posted.
Thank God Almighty (and you do!) for the differences.... that she/they are now able to express who they really are!
The physical differences are amazing and I'm convinced the spiritual freedom is also something you all praise Him for continually!
Always enjoy your posts and links,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2006 9:13:48 GMT -5
What a striking difference in the appearances of your wife and children! In three years on this site I'd never seen pics of her in her 2x2 mode as on the link you posted. Thank God Almighty (and you do!) for the differences.... that she/they are now able to express who they really are! The physical differences are amazing and I'm convinced the spiritual freedom is also something you all praise Him for continually! Always enjoy your posts and links, Lurker I haven't noticed the difference so much -- I have thought she was beautiful all the while!! -- but others have also mentioned the difference so I have put together the following comparison. Remember that the right hand pix is quite exactly 5 years later. www.themasseys.net/mireille.jpg
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Post by seekingtruth on Aug 6, 2006 9:56:09 GMT -5
Thank you, Edgar, for sharing your pictures. You've made an amazing journey! Sometimes we need a boot in the seat of the pants to make changes - but what a change and look at you now. You're very helpful. Congratulations on your anniversary!
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Post by pix on Aug 6, 2006 13:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by Kaz on Aug 6, 2006 15:11:34 GMT -5
Hi Edgar
The worker on the bottom left , standing on front row, is my Keith's Aunt - Beryl Fletcher. Behind her , also standing is another scottish worker Helen Phimister. On the front row two along form Beryl is another scottish worker but I can't remember who - mmaybe Ruth Hughes? Keith has two aunts in the work - Dorothy and Beryl - they are like chalk and cheese! Auntie Beryl has always shown us kindness, Aunt Dorothy wouldn't look twice our way - she is so self righteous. Aunt Dorothy has been inflicting herself on the Canadian friends - she was sent on "holiday" there! She is not a nice woman at all! Small world! BTW - spent a lovely evening with Byron and Cheryle in Denver during our summer hols there - they told us of your kindness to her parents. Loved the photos of your family - what a change! Karen Fletcher
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2006 3:11:52 GMT -5
www.themasseys.net/familypix/2001/2001-08HolidayInEurope/2001-08Italy/Carema/-Viewer.aspHi Karen, I was glad for your post -- I can't remember his name at the moment, but the senior worker in Italy at that time was also a Scott -(back row - right corner) He was very good to us -- Alexandra spoke highly of him. (she is second from the right on the front row -- she was booted from the fellowship by Scandinavian workers a short time later - lives in South Africa now) Yes, there is an enormous difference in workers, even on the same staff. Some seem to resist the hypocritical and self-righteous influence of the 2x2 doctrinal construction better than others. I do feel sorry for such folks, as it puts an enormous strain on them. Anxious to do what is right -- but having to dodge all the pressures in the group to abandon the Christian spirit in favor of cult policy. Yes it is a small world -- I was unaware of your connections with the folks in Denver -- Are you related or how do you know them? Wishing you the best. Edgar Massey. Have thought of you alot since your letter a year or two ago now.
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Post by seekingtruth on Aug 7, 2006 8:36:25 GMT -5
I watched an over-zealous older sister worker drive two sweet, caring, new sister workers from the work with her negative, controlling, legalistic "nurturing". One is still going on while the other and her sister, who was also in the work, were given the heave ho and have gone on to better things.
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Post by ex-teenager on Aug 8, 2006 6:38:01 GMT -5
So here we have 1 brother worker (who invited you to convention) and 1 sister worker who showed support for that in some way - expelled from the work, and a senior worker replaced.. all because you were welcomed at a convention?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2006 6:48:13 GMT -5
So here we have 1 brother worker (who invited you to convention) and 1 sister worker who showed support for that in some way - expelled from the work, and a senior worker replaced.. all because you were welcomed at a convention? The kind of spirit that shows kindness and compassion to folks who have been condemned by 2x2 high councils is never tolerated in the cult. The Alberta mass excommunications are a perfect example of this -- and it is documented in detail if you are interested in checking it out!.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Aug 8, 2006 6:55:59 GMT -5
The kind of spirit that shows kindness and compassion to folks who have been condemned by 2x2 high councils is never tolerated in the cult. Never? A bit all knowing, Edgar?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2006 7:11:47 GMT -5
The kind of spirit that shows kindness and compassion to folks who have been condemned by 2x2 high councils is never tolerated in the cult. Never? A bit all knowing, Edgar? How many examples do you wish?
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