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Post by rational on Jan 25, 2018 14:05:29 GMT -5
History shows when people stop feeling, and just follow orders, things usually end badly. With God, when we follow His Orders we always WINS who sides with Him/Them.Unless the opposition has chariots of iron... Or thermonuclear weapons.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 14:07:12 GMT -5
I have seen many people have prayer and recieve healing. As I said it is a normal part of church and prayer life. I see it regularly in churches and home groups. I've been around mainstream churches for many years now and seen many people go forward for prayer and healing. *** Then WHY can't they heal like jesus? heal the blinds, making the lame walk, there are plenty of Vets who lost theirs legged during the WARS... If they could raise the dead also then they will have many followers for sure. Can your forever healers perform such healing and miracles?
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 14:08:24 GMT -5
*** hmmmm... Just say their boats capsized and some people were drowning and someone/God the Father tosses life jackets/jesus for them to wear to save from drowning. Some refused to wear it because they don't like the color or it was made in China. How stupid can they be? They rather drown die and leave all of their money and children behind, than put on the life jacket. Who fault it is if they drowned and die? The person who toss them the life jackets or the people who refused putting it on? Problem is, how should go about picking the right God? All the religions tell me it has to be 'their' god or I'm doomed. You think it's the Christian God, but I have a friend that is positive that it's Allah. *** Yahweh and Allah is the same Godhead.
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Post by rational on Jan 25, 2018 14:13:14 GMT -5
I have seen many people have prayer and recieve healing. As I said it is a normal part of church and prayer life. I see it regularly in churches and home groups. I've been around mainstream churches for many years now and seen many people go forward for prayer and recieve healing. Many go forward to received Christ too. Do you want me to name them? Well theirs John, Mary, Jack, Jo, Noel, Bev, Raj.....etc...etc Who healed Job? We serve the same God as they did. Yet with all of these claims there is not one that can be independently verified. It is like preying for the sun to rise and then claiming prayer works when the sun comes up. People have been studying the claims of miracles of all types and in the end the findings are always false claims or outright fraud.
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Post by snow on Jan 25, 2018 14:13:42 GMT -5
Problem is, how should go about picking the right God? All the religions tell me it has to be 'their' god or I'm doomed. You think it's the Christian God, but I have a friend that is positive that it's Allah. *** Yahweh and Allah is the same Godhead. True, though most won't admit that. However, that's not the only gods there are to chose from. How does one decide which god might be the right one? Especially since there is no physical evidence that any of them exist. In keeping with your analogy, the life jacket is invisible and I have to have faith it's there, try to figure out where it is so that I can put it on and be saved.
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 14:24:31 GMT -5
I have seen many people have prayer and recieve healing. As I said it is a normal part of church and prayer life. I see it regularly in churches and home groups. I've been around mainstream churches for many years now and seen many people go forward for prayer and healing. *** Then WHY can't they heal like jesus? heal the blinds, making the lame walk, there are plenty of Vets who lost theirs legged during the WARS... If they could raise the dead also then they will have many followers for sure. Can your forever healers perform such healing and miracles? People testify in India and African nations to having seen the dead raised and the crippled healed. Yes and many come to God through this. You doubt the power of God. We serve the same God as Job and those in the Bible. Did people still die in Jesus day? Were there still crippled people? Yes. Did Jesus heal everyone? No, the miracles that the apostles did were rare. If they were common then they would not be called miracles.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 14:54:12 GMT -5
With God, when we follow His Orders we always WINS who sides with Him/Them. Unless the opposition has chariots of iron... Or thermonuclear weapons. *** Nuclear or thermonuclear can't destroy Godhead and His children because they are ETERNAL like them and they can't DIE either.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 15:37:02 GMT -5
*** Yahweh and Allah is the same Godhead. True, though most won't admit that. However, that's not the only gods there are to chose from. How does one decide which god might be the right one? Especially since there is no physical evidence that any of them exist. In keeping with your analogy, the life jacket is invisible and I have to have faith it's there, try to figure out where it is so that I can put it on and be saved. *** The book of Genesis, Exodus and in the old Test time proved to all Yahweh God is the most power of all gods. Yahweh destroyed most the demigods Nephilim races on the earth with a world wide flood. God annialated the gods of Egypt before the exodus. God wiped outmany pagans gods/Baal when the child of Israel lived in the promised land. There are no pagan gods can defeat The Godhead/Yahweh.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 15:45:13 GMT -5
*** Then WHY can't they heal like jesus? heal the blinds, making the lame walk, there are plenty of Vets who lost theirs legged during the WARS... If they could raise the dead also then they will have many followers for sure. Can your forever healers perform such healing and miracles? People testify in India and African nations to having seen the dead raised and the crippled healed. Yes and many come to God through this. You doubt the power of God. We serve the same God as Job and those in the Bible. Did people still die in Jesus day? Were there still crippled people? Yes. Did Jesus heal everyone? No, the miracles that the apostles did were rare. If they were common then they would not be called miracles. *** there are 1000s of Fake healers out there. Satan can do many things God does. It tells us in revelation can perform miracles just like God. The Egyptians priests cast down two rods and it too turned into serpents just like Moses rod did his serpent swallowed the Egyptians serpents. Satan can imitate God miracles but God is more powerful and better.
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 15:56:03 GMT -5
So because there are fakes you don't pray or believe God can heal today. Why did God tell us to heal the sick if he didn't want us to. There are many false prophets so why believe anyone. Why did Jesus or the apostles heal because like you said there were false healers even before Jesus day. I'm sure many people called Jesus a false prophet. He said he who is for me is not against me.
You pray for loved ones to profess. Why because God has not answered your prayer so why pray? Whether God answers your prayer or not we pray.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 17:01:58 GMT -5
So because there are fakes you don't pray or believe God can heal today. Why did God tell us to heal the sick if he didn't want us to. There are many false prophets so why believe anyone. Why did Jesus or the apostles heal because like you said there were false healers even before Jesus day. I'm sure many people called Jesus a false prophet. He said he who is for me is not against me. You pray for loved ones to profess. Why because God has not answered your prayer so why pray? Whether God answers your prayer or not we pray. *** enuf, have you heal anyone, yet?
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 17:32:00 GMT -5
Of course I've prayed with people and they have felt better after but it is not my ministry. You notice in James it says call the elders to pray if I remember correctly. Not everyone has the gift of healing.
Have your close family members professed? Do you pray for them anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:35:58 GMT -5
Of course I've prayed with people and they have felt better after but it is not my ministry. You notice in James it says call the elders to pray if I remember correctly. Not everyone has the gift of healing. a cessationist believes that the gifts recorded in the NT were given to specific people OF THAT TIME and once they died the gifts disappeared....
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 17:38:10 GMT -5
So God died with them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 17:39:44 GMT -5
did God die when the country of isreal ceased to exist?
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 17:51:20 GMT -5
Of course I've prayed with people and they have felt better after but it is not my ministry. You notice in James it says call the elders to pray if I remember correctly. Not everyone has the gift of healing. Have your close family members professed? Do you pray for them anyway? I am NOT talking about praying for the sick like in James epistle... I am talking about the Forever! healing like Jesus, the apostles and the New Testament believers/Ananias, Philip and Stephen did... healed the blind, raised the dead, healing the blind that kind of healing. I pray for my unprofessing families members, those I love often and strangers often. I heard the church elders prayed for the sick, or for whatever reasons they can't attend the meetings.
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Post by snow on Jan 25, 2018 17:53:14 GMT -5
True, though most won't admit that. However, that's not the only gods there are to chose from. How does one decide which god might be the right one? Especially since there is no physical evidence that any of them exist. In keeping with your analogy, the life jacket is invisible and I have to have faith it's there, try to figure out where it is so that I can put it on and be saved. *** The book of Genesis, Exodus and in the old Test time proved to all Yahweh God is the most power of all gods. Yahweh destroyed most the demigods Nephilim races on the earth with a world wide flood. God annialated the gods of Egypt before the exodus. God wiped outmany pagans gods/Baal when the child of Israel lived in the promised land. There are no pagan gods can defeat The Godhead/Yahweh. Why do you say Yahweh annihilated those gods. People continued to worship them, so none were annihilated. Also, there is no proof that the Bible is anything other than another book much like many books of scripture. There is no proof whatsoever that Yahweh was a very effective God. In fact, the Hebrew nation were in captivity more than not. Doesn't sound too powerful to me.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 17:54:57 GMT -5
So because there are fakes you don't pray or believe God can heal today. Why did God tell us to heal the sick if he didn't want us to. There are many false prophets so why believe anyone. Why did Jesus or the apostles heal because like you said there were false healers even before Jesus day. I'm sure many people called Jesus a false prophet. He said he who is for me is not against me. You pray for loved ones to profess. Why because God has not answered your prayer so why pray? Whether God answers your prayer or not we pray. You believe in the apostles/workers, and believers forever healing in the Bible, but you a believer who can't heal anyone yourself.... Why, do you think God is holding the gift of healing the blind and raised the dead from you?
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 18:00:34 GMT -5
*** The book of Genesis, Exodus and in the old Test time proved to all Yahweh God is the most power of all gods. Yahweh destroyed most the demigods Nephilim races on the earth with a world wide flood. God annialated the gods of Egypt before the exodus. God wiped outmany pagans gods/Baal when the child of Israel lived in the promised land. There are no pagan gods can defeat The Godhead/Yahweh. Why do you say Yahweh annihilated those gods. People continued to worship them, so none were annihilated. Also, there is no proof that the Bible is anything other than another book much like many books of scripture. There is no proof whatsoever that Yahweh was a very effective God. In fact, the Hebrew nation were in captivity more than not. Doesn't sound too powerful to me. I should have written defeat them so they are no longer powerful gods/Egyptians at one time. Hebrews people are NOT mighty nation because they kept on disobeying his laws, and serving others pagans gods. When Jesus returns to reign as KING of kings on the earth and the Universe for a 1000 yrs, he will restore king David and Solomon's Hebrews nation glory with His people from Old and New Testament.
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 18:09:57 GMT -5
As I said Nathan, God gives different gifts to different people. You now admit you pray for the sick? Why- do you see them healed?
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 18:22:51 GMT -5
As I said Nathan, God gives different gifts to different people. You now admit you pray for the sick? Why- do you see them healed? But I thought you said you believe in FOREVER healing! now to change your tune, now God gives different HEALING gifts ONLY to certain people? and you are NOT one of them with forever gift of healing anyone.
I don't believe apostles and believers Forever healing powers. I believe in God forever healing powers.
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 18:46:41 GMT -5
You don't believe in Gods healing power. You dont believe God heals through people the same as he has always done. I also believe he gives different gifts to people including the gift of healing.
I believe that God heals. I said I have prayed for people and you say you pray for the sick to be healed.
You need to read posts properly Nathan so people don't have to keep repeating themselves.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 19:08:18 GMT -5
You don't believe in Gods healing power. You dont believe God heals through people the same as he has always done. I also believe he gives different gifts to people including the gift of healing. I believe that God heals. I said I have prayed for people and you say you pray for the sick to be healed. You need to read posts properly Nathan so people don't have to keep repeating themselves. I don't believe in your interpretation of apostles/workers and believers forever healing power in Matthew 10. Jesus did NOT say in Matthew 10 ONLY certain have the gifts of healing but ALL of them had the power to heal when they preached to the Jews for that brief time.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 26, 2018 2:12:10 GMT -5
Oh my!
If this keeps on going very long, I am afraid I am going to die laughing!
Have mercy people! Please have some mercy! I am too young to die! PS:
Nathan, -like Snow, -neither do I think you need to be concerned that anyone thinks that commandor thor is real. Misses the point of course ( doubt if you are meaning the imposter comm Thor. ) lol "doubt if you are meaning the imposter comm Thor." How did you ever guess?
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Post by mod5 on Jan 26, 2018 2:43:22 GMT -5
Commander Thor where are you.........looks like discussion about you has been high jacked. Please come back!😄
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Post by Brick on Jan 26, 2018 8:33:24 GMT -5
did God die when the country of isreal ceased to exist? I don't know about that, but he is certainly not as chatty as he used to be a couple millennia ago.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2018 8:47:43 GMT -5
Commander Thor where are you.........looks like discussion about you has been high jacked. Please come back!😄 hahaha.. The impostor has been exposed so, he will NOT be back soon. He might have moved to the dark side of the moon with his family for now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 9:27:12 GMT -5
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