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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 24, 2018 21:03:28 GMT -5
And THAT, Nathan is precisely what I was talking about! All of those links are fraudulent.
If all the of the claims against Jesuit priests through out history were true it would take up so much of their time that they would not have time for anything else.
The Protestant Reformation accused Jesuits of infiltrating political realms and non-Catholic churches. Jesuit conspiracy theories found fertile soil in Imperial Germany. They were even accused of being behind the Sinking of the Titanic.
Just as anytime someone wants a scapegoat to blame for something, - the Jesuits like many other groups -are handy targets.
I am sorry, Nathan, -but remember, -I DID warn you about spreading falsehoods and the the damage it could do. So be it on your own head now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 21:25:25 GMT -5
Oh my!
If this keeps on going very long, I am afraid I am going to die laughing!
Have mercy people! Please have some mercy! I am too young to die! PS:
Nathan, -like Snow, -neither do I think you need to be concerned that anyone thinks that commandor thor is real. Misses the point of course ( doubt if you are meaning the imposter comm Thor. ) lol
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Post by Admin on Jan 24, 2018 22:43:35 GMT -5
To administrator and moderators... Is it legal to post as someone like Val Thor and post his picture and pretending to be him? Can someone take your picture, administrator and post as you on TMB. Will you allow this? Please let us know what are your thoughts. Thanks. In the old TMB wild wild west days, people were posting under so and so names... And it was chaotic for many people, they had to defend themselves wasn't them who posted such and such messages/posts. Nate, We have emailed an inquiry on the legal ramifications for TMB to the Ministry of Legal Affairs on Venus. Cmdr Thor has always been pretty thick skinned in the past, so we doubt he'll be too upset. Last we heard from him, he was still hoping for you to arrange a speaking spot for him on one of the convention platforms. Perhaps let us know if you have had any success in arranging this for him. We can let him know on the hotline. Yes we remember fondly the good ol' wild west days on TMB. It was fun that couldn't last (too many killjoys). admin
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Post by jondough on Jan 24, 2018 22:57:54 GMT -5
nathan I agree with you about snow , but according to the 2z2, snow me and others, not part of the 2x2 will suffer in hell for eternity. How does that make you feel? Well, Jesus teaches, " Unless, you are BORN AGAIN, you can NOT enter the kingdom of God." And born again NOT by a corruptable seed either.
This is Godhead= God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit kingdom. They set the rules for anyone to enter His Eternal kingdom must abide and follow the instructions.
I can't changed God's eternal punishment for non-believers or those who are NOT born again. God has made it so simple for us to be part of His GREAT family in heaven. Jesus paid the Ultimate priced on Calvary's Cross. ALL we have to do is saying, "Yes, I believe Jesus has died for my sins." and that's it all.
God doesn't ask anyone to climb to the top of MT. Everest to be SAVED.... Jesus had paid the greatest price for us to be in heaven, all God has asked us is to believe and love His Son/Jesus who died for us. We don't need to do anything great, or sacrifice that cost our lives at all to obtain eternal life.
This is not all you believe needs to be done in order to be saved.
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Post by nathan on Jan 24, 2018 23:52:32 GMT -5
To administrator and moderators... Is it legal to post as someone like Val Thor and post his picture and pretending to be him? Can someone take your picture, administrator and post as you on TMB. Will you allow this? Please let us know what are your thoughts. Thanks. In the old TMB wild wild west days, people were posting under so and so names... And it was chaotic for many people, they had to defend themselves wasn't them who posted such and such messages/posts. Nate, We have emailed an inquiry on the legal ramifications for TMB to the Ministry of Legal Affairs on Venus. Cmdr Thor has always been pretty thick skinned in the past, so we doubt he'll be too upset. Last we heard from him, he was still hoping for you to arrange a speaking spot for him on one of the convention platforms. Perhaps let us know if you have had any success in arranging this for him. We can let him know on the hotline. Yes we remember fondly the good ol' wild west days on TMB. It was fun that couldn't last (too many killjoys). admin Are you saying I can use your picture/Avatar and pretending to post as you, Administrator?
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Post by nathan on Jan 24, 2018 23:55:44 GMT -5
Well, Jesus teaches, " Unless, you are BORN AGAIN, you can NOT enter the kingdom of God." And born again NOT by a corruptable seed either.
This is Godhead= God the Father, Christ and Holy Spirit kingdom. They set the rules for anyone to enter His Eternal kingdom must abide and follow the instructions.
I can't changed God's eternal punishment for non-believers or those who are NOT born again. God has made it so simple for us to be part of His GREAT family in heaven. Jesus paid the Ultimate priced on Calvary's Cross. ALL we have to do is saying, "Yes, I believe Jesus has died for my sins." and that's it all.
God doesn't ask anyone to climb to the top of MT. Everest to be SAVED.... Jesus had paid the greatest price for us to be in heaven, all God has asked us is to believe and love His Son/Jesus who died for us. We don't need to do anything great, or sacrifice that cost our lives at all to obtain eternal life.
This is not all you believe needs to be done in order to be saved. That is for a starter.. Jesus said he that ENDURES unto the END shall be SAVED....
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Post by jondough on Jan 25, 2018 0:07:59 GMT -5
This is not all you believe needs to be done in order to be saved. That is for a starter.. Jesus said he that ENDURES unto the END shall be SAVED....
Thats not the only starter you believe is necessary
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 0:10:17 GMT -5
That is for a starter.. Jesus said he that ENDURES unto the END shall be SAVED....
Thats not the only starter you believe is necessary repentence and obedience come to mind in the equation...
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Post by jondough on Jan 25, 2018 0:11:29 GMT -5
Thats not the only starter you believe is necessary repentence and obedience come to mind in the equation... What about going to meeting, and “professing” through a Worker? Is that necessary in most cases?
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 0:14:10 GMT -5
repentence and obedience come to mind in the equation... What about going to meeting, and “professing” through a Worker? Is that necessary in most cases? Oh, yes... You know Faith cometh by HEARING and HEARING the word of God. That was how most of the New Testament believers come to God the Father through Christ by hearing and believing the gospel from Him, the apostles, and the believers. "Ye must be born again."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 0:16:48 GMT -5
repentence and obedience come to mind in the equation... What about going to meeting, and “professing” through a Worker? Is that necessary in most cases? i'm not exactly exclusive any meeting would do about the gospel and any preacher...i know thats not normal for most professing folk...
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Post by jondough on Jan 25, 2018 0:19:12 GMT -5
What about going to meeting, and “professing” through a Worker? Is that necessary in most cases? Oh, yes... You know Faith cometh by HEARING and HEARING the word of God. That was how most of the New Testament believers come to Christ through hearing the gospel from Him, the apostles, and the believers.Right. Thats what I thought you believed. That this be done through a Worker. You believe this is an important requirement, no?
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 0:22:14 GMT -5
Oh, yes... You know Faith cometh by HEARING and HEARING the word of God. That was how most of the New Testament believers come to Christ through hearing the gospel from Him, the apostles, and the believers. Right. Thats what I thought you believed. That this be done through a Worker. You believe this is an important requirement, no? YES, I believe is an important requirement MUST be done by the workers or any of the friends. Paul wrote in Romans From Faith to Faith. Life begets Life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 1:42:50 GMT -5
*** haha... You got spooked they might ban you from TMB as an imposter so you changed Val Thor avatar to some family guy picture? But you still posting as Val Thor... You just change a different hat you are still an imposter. Why, don't you just post as you are the real you... and you still can Disagee with me all you like. This way, the readers take your posts seriously. Don't try to deceive the readers with your head games. They are NOT stupid as you believe. Trust me Nathan, I don't think you need to be concerned that anyone thinks that commandor thor is real. What?? Faith shaken.... Must... Doubt my Doubts...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 1:55:30 GMT -5
Right. Thats what I thought you believed. That this be done through a Worker. You believe this is an important requirement, no? YES, I believe is an important requirement MUST be done by the workers or any of the friends. Paul wrote in Romans From Faith to Faith. Life begets Life.But what if The Commander tells it? Or maybe... William Irvine... Vine...true vine... (Jesus?!)... some vines have thorns... Thor... Whoa! - no earthly founder indeed! It cometh to Midgard from Asgard!
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 25, 2018 8:17:52 GMT -5
Right. Thats what I thought you believed. That this be done through a Worker. You believe this is an important requirement, no? YES, I believe is an important requirement MUST be done by the workers or any of the friends. Paul wrote in Romans From Faith to Faith. Life begets Life.But you don't believe everything that the workers preach nathan, so why would you say a person has to profess through a worker !
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 8:38:29 GMT -5
But you don't believe everything that the workers preach nathan , so why would you say a person has to profess through a worker/apostle ! Jesus said so! in Matthew 10:40 and Luke 10:16. Oh, I forgot you atheists don't believe in Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 9:19:57 GMT -5
But you don't believe everything that the workers preach nathan , so why would you say a person has to profess through a worker/apostle ! Jesus said so! in Matthew 10:40 and Luke 10:16. Oh, I forgot you atheists don't believe in Jesus.Matt 10:40 "Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me." Luke 10:9 "Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you. '" Oh wait... Not that one.... forget that verse.... It has uh... Spiritual context. Yeah. Spiritual context. Jesus said "lo I'm with you always". If he goes with one pastor, they're spiritually 2x2s.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 9:56:24 GMT -5
Jesus said so! in Matthew 10:40 and Luke 10:16. Oh, I forgot you atheists don't believe in Jesus. Matt 10:40 "Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me." Luke 10:9 "Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you. '" Oh wait... Not that one.... forget that verse.... It has uh... Spiritual context. Yeah. Spiritual context. Jesus said "lo I'm with you always". If he goes with one pastor, they're spiritually 2x2s. *** who did Jesus give those instructions TO? the 12 apostles. And who did Jesus sent the 12 to? Jesus gave the 12 apostles with the power to HEAL. It was to the JEWS not to the Gentiles. Was the power to Heal forever or temporary? It was a temporary signs for the Jews in Jesus days that the promised Messiah/Jesus HAS arrived and his signs were healing the blinds to see, cleanse the lepers and raised re dead. If you don't understand these things then you can take verses out of context.
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 10:00:27 GMT -5
Where does it say that these signs were temporary? It was going out without purse which was temporary as you can see in Luke 22. It says sigms will follow those who believe. We are told to lay hands on the sick and they will recover. Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. He was not just for the Jews.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 10:30:53 GMT -5
Where does it say that these signs were temporary? It was going out without purse which was temporary as you can see in Luke 22. It says sigms will follow those who believe. We are told to lay hands on the sick and they will recover. Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. He was not just for the Jews. *** If it was NOT temporary, as you said Jesus Christ the same as yesterday, today and forever... Do you know of any preacher, priest or worker who can do all these things like Jesus did heal the blind to see, Heal lepersy, Or raise anyone from the dead today? Who are they? Can you give us their names, please.
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 11:43:02 GMT -5
You obviously do not believe we have to obey the Bible. Do you not believe we are to pray for the sick as the church in the book of James were instructed.
You do not believe in the power of prayer or God to heal. We see people healed through prayer all the time. It's a normal part of church life. You're doubting God's ability to heal. Oh ye of little faith.
Do you pray for people to be saved? Do you pray for your wife or son to come to meetings? Why pray if God does not answer? We pray because God tells us to.
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 13:27:26 GMT -5
You obviously do not believe we have to obey the Bible. Do you not believe we are to pray for the sick as the church in the book of James were instructed. You do not believe in the power of prayer or God to heal. We see people healed through prayer all the time. It's a normal part of church life. You're doubting God's ability to heal. Oh ye of little faith. Do you pray for people to be saved? Do you pray for your wife or son to come to meetings? Why pray if God does not answer? We pray because God tells us to. *** you believe healing is FOREVER! But you can't name one priest, preacher or worker who can heal like Jesus today... Hmmmmmm. you tell me I don't believe in forever healing but when I asked for today healing evidences like Jesus had done you can't show any proof. I believe you have misinterpreted the scripture and taken verses out of context. Therfore, you have no evidences of forever healing like Jesus had performed today.
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Post by snow on Jan 25, 2018 13:29:50 GMT -5
History shows when people stop feeling, and just follow orders, things usually end badly. With God, when we follow His Orders we always WINS who sides with Him/Them.And to hell with anyone else. That's not the definition of love imo.
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Post by xna on Jan 25, 2018 13:38:41 GMT -5
History shows when people stop feeling, and just follow orders, things usually end badly. With God, when we follow His Orders we always WINS who sides with Him/Them....... WITH GOD ON OUR SIDE ......
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Post by nathan on Jan 25, 2018 13:43:36 GMT -5
With God, when we follow His Orders we always WINS who sides with Him/Them. And to hell with anyone else. That's not the definition of love imo. *** hmmmm... Just say their boats capsized and some people were drowning and someone/God the Father tosses life jackets/jesus for them to wear to save from drowning. Some refused to wear it because they don't like the color or it was made in China. How stupid can they be? They rather drown die and leave all of their money and children behind, than put on the life jacket. Who fault it is if they drowned and die? The person who toss them the life jackets or the people who refused putting it on?
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Post by Grant on Jan 25, 2018 13:50:11 GMT -5
I have seen many people have prayer and recieve healing. As I said it is a normal part of church and prayer life. I see it regularly in churches and home groups.
I've been around mainstream churches for many years now and seen many people go forward for prayer and recieve healing. Many go forward to received Christ too. Do you want me to name them? Well theirs John, Mary, Jack, Jo, Noel, Bev, Raj.....etc...etc
Who healed Job? We serve the same God as they did.
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Post by snow on Jan 25, 2018 13:57:17 GMT -5
And to hell with anyone else. That's not the definition of love imo. *** hmmmm... Just say their boats capsized and some people were drowning and someone/God the Father tosses life jackets/jesus for them to wear to save from drowning. Some refused to wear it because they don't like the color or it was made in China. How stupid can they be? They rather drown die and leave all of their money and children behind, than put on the life jacket. Who fault it is if they drowned and die? The person who toss them the life jackets or the people who refused putting it on? Problem is, how should go about picking the right God? All the religions tell me it has to be 'their' god or I'm doomed. You think it's the Christian God, but I have a friend that is positive that it's Allah.
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