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Post by nathan on Mar 11, 2019 18:09:15 GMT -5
Paul had a tent job on the side. Do you KNOW Why? or the REASON he did that.
Jesus was a carpenter by trade, did he work as a carpenter during his 31/2 yrs ministry, to support himself and his apostles?
Why did the apostles went home and back to fishing? And did they continue in their fishing business? and WHY didn't they continue as fisher men instead became preachers of the gospel full time, in the book of Acts.
I presume they had jobs when they weren't out preaching because they needed the money to go out preaching? You tell me why Paul was a tent maker. I just thought it was because he knew how and needed the money. The apostles were FULL time preachers! 24/7. Jesus had prepared and taught his disciples before he sent them forth into the world as PREACHERS of the gospel as His apostles in Matthew 10. So in Matthew 6:25-33 Jesus taught them Seek Ye first the kingdom of God, and all these things (foods, clothing, money, places to stay) will be provided just like the birds, and lilies of the fields how God made provision for them. So, in Matthew 10 and Luke 10 Jesus sent them forth as their first mission (about 2 weeks or little longer) on their own without Him, without much of anything with them. They SAW their natural needs were met by those who believed in their gospel, the strangers opened their homes to them provided them foods, lodging, and perhaps give them some money for the journey.Let us get back to Paul, the church at Corinth his own converts should have supplied his natural needs! clothing, foods, lodging, money and so on.... But there were some false teachers and false apostles from Jerusalem, told Paul's own converts, that Paul was a false apostle and he tried to take an advantage of you Corinth... I Cor. 9:1-2 To prove to them he was NOT taken an advantage of them or their hospitality, for that reason he didn't want their support for his ministry. He and his co-workers will work on the side as tent makers to make their own daily provision and a place to stay... We read in the epistles of Paul how he thanks! other churches at Ephesus, and perhaps other places, KNEW what they faced at Corinth, sent money to help them out.Paul wrote this to Corinthians in I Cor. 9:9-17 For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about? Or does He say it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written, that he who plows should plow in hope, and he who threshes in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things? If others are partakers of this right over you, are we not even more?
Nevertheless we have not used this right, but endure all things lest we hinder the gospel of Christ. Do you not know that those who minister the holy things eat of the things of the temple, and those who serve at the altar partake of the offerings of the altar? Even so the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel.
But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void. For if I preach the gospel, I have nothing to boast of, for necessity is laid upon me; yes, woe is me if I do not preach the gospel! For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a stewardship.
~~ Paul was trying to teach them according to the Will of God, that it was their responsibility to make most of the natural provision for Him and his co-workers, and they didn't HAVE to work with his hands and making provision for themselves! so they could concentrate in doing God's work, feeding the lambs and sheep of God, praying and preaching God's words to all nations.
Peter wrote in Acts 6:1-4 Now in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplying, there arose a complaint against the Hebrews by the Hellenists, because their widows were neglected in the daily distribution. Then the twelve summoned the multitude of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable that we should leave the word of God and serve tables. Therefore, brethren, seek out from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business; but we will give ourselves continually to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”
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Post by jay on Apr 18, 2019 3:37:27 GMT -5
Seems David Leitch and Janette Briggs are to be married. I suppose this is a true story? Anything Further on this or has it happened?
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Post by amica1969 on Apr 19, 2019 0:46:33 GMT -5
Not coming to pass I heard.
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Post by jimmy80 on Apr 22, 2019 8:55:12 GMT -5
I don't believe it was ever on the cards. Purely the gossip network in overdrive (personally i believe some within our faith would be much safer with a television instead of a telephone!)
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Post by mountain on Apr 22, 2019 9:26:15 GMT -5
Paul had a tent job on the side. Do you KNOW Why? or the REASON he did that.
Jesus was a carpenter by trade, did he work as a carpenter during his 31/2 yrs ministry, to support himself and his apostles?
Why did the apostles went home and back to fishing? And did they continue in their fishing business? and WHY didn't they continue as fisher men instead became preachers of the gospel full time, in the book of Acts.
I presume they had jobs when they weren't out preaching because they needed the money to go out preaching? You tell me why Paul was a tent maker. I just thought it was because he knew how and needed the money. Where do we learn that Jesus was a carpenter by trade? Scripture suggests this is not true.
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Post by snow on Apr 22, 2019 14:05:55 GMT -5
I presume they had jobs when they weren't out preaching because they needed the money to go out preaching? You tell me why Paul was a tent maker. I just thought it was because he knew how and needed the money. Where do we learn that Jesus was a carpenter by trade? Scripture suggests this is not true. No one even knows where he was during the ages of 12 to 30. So how would they know he was a carpenter? The bible does say he was a carpenter's son though.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 22, 2019 15:01:54 GMT -5
I presume they had jobs when they weren't out preaching because they needed the money to go out preaching? You tell me why Paul was a tent maker. I just thought it was because he knew how and needed the money. Where do we learn that Jesus was a carpenter by trade? Scripture suggests this is not true. Actually the scripture doesn't SUGGEST anything either false or true about his trade. It's SUGGESTED by people who understand the culture of the day that he would have been a carpenter with/like his father.
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 3:50:36 GMT -5
Where do we learn that Jesus was a carpenter by trade? Scripture suggests this is not true. Actually the scripture doesn't SUGGEST anything either false or true about his trade. It's SUGGESTED by people who understand the culture of the day that he would have been a carpenter with/like his father. Thanks Bob. That's exactly my opinion of how it is assumed that Jesus was a carpenter to trade. The Bible identifies Joseph as a carpenter, but not Jesus. When a Jewish boy reached the age of twelve he was expected to begin learning his father's trade. This is exactly what Jesus did, except it wasn't the trade of his earthly step father, it was that of his heavenly father. When he went missing for three days at 12 years of age, he reminded his mother 'wist ye not that I must be about my father's business.' After that we read that he grew in wisdom with both God and man. It was his heavenly fatrher's business he began learning after he reached 12 years of age, not carpentry.
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Post by jay on Apr 23, 2019 6:40:53 GMT -5
(quote-)-When he went missing for three days at 12 years of age, he reminded his mother 'wist ye not that I must be about my father's business.' After that we read that he grew in wisdom with both God and man.(quote)
50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them. 51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: .
These words (being subject unto his parents) are so meaningful even today.
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 11:45:42 GMT -5
Thanks Bob. That's exactly my opinion of how it is assumed that Jesus was a carpenter to trade. The Bible identifies Joseph as a carpenter, but not Jesus. When a Jewish boy reached the age of twelve he was expected to begin learning his father's trade. This is exactly what Jesus did, except it wasn't the trade of his earthly step father, it was that of his heavenly father. When he went missing for three days at 12 years of age, he reminded his mother 'wist ye not that I must be about my father's business.' After that we read that he grew in wisdom with both God and man. It was his heavenly fatrher's business he began learning after he reached 12 years of age, not carpentry. He could learn how to make chairs and learn the Psalms at the same time, no? Are you suggesting that he spent ~18 years dedicated to learning his heavenly Fathers business, only? (I think this is a topic worthy of its own thread but the way things descend into childish argument anymore it's just as well to let it be.) What do we have evidence for? Consider the purpose of Jesus coming into the world. Was it to make chairs or was it to save sinners, do the will of God. At 12 years of age he turned his back on his natural family to discuss the things of God with the religeous teachers and leaders. When his parents came for him, it was his mother who spoke to him. Joseph is obvious by his silence. Jesus said to his mother...'Wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?. He was referring to his heavenly Father's business. That is what the angel Gabriel told Mary when she conceived Jesus, That was the trade he was entering into. He spent 18 years learning from God. The Bible tells us that from 12 years on that he grew in wisdom with both man and God. That 18 years was spent in learning the law,the scriptures which he was to fullfil, as well as preparation for the tests and trials and fulfilling the purpose of his future ministry. We learn that after the Pharisees heard him preaching and seeing the miracles that he worked, they asked themselves...'Is this not Joseph the Carpenter's son?' They did not ask...'Is this not Jesus the carpenter,' something they would surely have asked had they known him to be a carpenter, because he would have been a carpenter for many years had he been one. The real parents of Jesus were his mother, Mary, and God.
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 11:53:51 GMT -5
Thanks Bob. That's exactly my opinion of how it is assumed that Jesus was a carpenter to trade. The Bible identifies Joseph as a carpenter, but not Jesus. When a Jewish boy reached the age of twelve he was expected to begin learning his father's trade. This is exactly what Jesus did, except it wasn't the trade of his earthly step father, it was that of his heavenly father. When he went missing for three days at 12 years of age, he reminded his mother 'wist ye not that I must be about my father's business.' After that we read that he grew in wisdom with both God and man. It was his heavenly fatrher's business he began learning after he reached 12 years of age, not carpentry. He could learn how to make chairs and learn the Psalms at the same time, no? Are you suggesting that he spent ~18 years dedicated to learning his heavenly Fathers business, only?(I think this is a topic worthy of its own thread but the way things descend into childish argument anymore it's just as well to let it be.) Yes I most certainly am, unless someone can provide evidence to suggest otherwise? That's a big test for you all. Considering the importance of his coming into the world, I cannot see it being anything other. Did he himself,not say, unless a man forsakes all and follows me, he cannot be my disciple?' From 12 years onwards Jesus forsook all to learn from his heavenly Father. His ministerial life clearly shows that he was 100% totally dedicated to his heavenly Father's trade. This required many years of 100% dedication, learning and training.
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 11:56:42 GMT -5
(quote-)-When he went missing for three days at 12 years of age, he reminded his mother 'wist ye not that I must be about my father's business.' After that we read that he grew in wisdom with both God and man.(quote) 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them. 51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: . These words (being subject unto his parents) are so meaningful even today.
Which fulfilled the OT law.
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 12:01:26 GMT -5
Where do we learn that Jesus was a carpenter by trade? Scripture suggests this is not true. No one even knows where he was during the ages of 12 to 30. So how would they know he was a carpenter? The bible does say he was a carpenter's son though.And on that statement, it is assumed that Jesus was also a carpenter to trade. The people believed him to be Joseph's Son, but Jesus from 12 years of age, identified God as his Father. At 12 years of age, Jewish boys normally entered the trade of their natural father. This is exactly what Jesus did. Only it was the trade of his real Father, i.e. God. It was an 18 years apprenticeship.
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Post by snow on Apr 23, 2019 12:02:56 GMT -5
No one even knows where he was during the ages of 12 to 30. So how would they know he was a carpenter? The bible does say he was a carpenter's son though.And on that statement, it is assumed that Jesus was also a carpenter to trade. The people believed him to be Joseph's Son, but Jesus from 12 years of age, identified God as his Father. At 12 years of age, Jewish boys normally entered the trade of their natural father. This is exactly what Jesus did. Only it was the trade of his real Father, i.e. God. It was an 18 years apprenticeship. Where?
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 12:07:41 GMT -5
And on that statement, it is assumed that Jesus was also a carpenter to trade. The people believed him to be Joseph's Son, but Jesus from 12 years of age, identified God as his Father. At 12 years of age, Jewish boys normally entered the trade of their natural father. This is exactly what Jesus did. Only it was the trade of his real Father, i.e. God. It was an 18 years apprenticeship. Where? Suppose ye a geographical location? Did Jesus not say that the Kingdom of God comes not by observation? Did he not say that the Kingdom of God is within you? He learned the Kingdom of God within himself. That is why years later, he could speak of such things through experience.
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Post by continuer on Apr 23, 2019 13:07:26 GMT -5
When I was working, I very much enjoyed Jan Struther's hymn - "Lord of all Hopefulness". In particular, the verse that reads "Lord of all eagerness, Lord of all faith/Whose strong hands were skilled at the plane and the lathe/Be there at our labours and give us we pray/Your strength in our hearts Lord, at the noon of the day". Whether there is some artistic licence here or not, I don't know. But it made me feel that the Lord Jesus understood what it was like for me to go out and earn a living! And it helped me to draw closer to Him.
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Post by snow on Apr 23, 2019 13:46:23 GMT -5
Suppose ye a geographical location? Did Jesus not say that the Kingdom of God comes not by observation? Did he not say that the Kingdom of God is within you? He learned the Kingdom of God within himself. That is why years later, he could speak of such things through experience. If you say so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 14:32:38 GMT -5
He could learn how to make chairs and learn the Psalms at the same time, no? Are you suggesting that he spent ~18 years dedicated to learning his heavenly Fathers business, only? (I think this is a topic worthy of its own thread but the way things descend into childish argument anymore it's just as well to let it be.) What do we have evidence for? Consider the purpose of Jesus coming into the world. Was it to make chairs or was it to save sinners, do the will of God. At 12 years of age he turned his back on his natural family to discuss the things of God with the religeous teachers and leaders. When his parents came for him, it was his mother who spoke to him. Joseph is obvious by his silence. Jesus said to his mother...'Wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?. He was referring to his heavenly Father's business. That is what the angel Gabriel told Mary when she conceived Jesus, That was the trade he was entering into. He spent 18 years learning from God. The Bible tells us that from 12 years on that he grew in wisdom with both man and God. That 18 years was spent in learning the law,the scriptures which he was to fullfil, as well as preparation for the tests and trials and fulfilling the purpose of his future ministry. We learn that after the Pharisees heard him preaching and seeing the miracles that he worked, they asked themselves...'Is this not Joseph the Carpenter's son?' They did not ask...'Is this not Jesus the carpenter,' something they would surely have asked had they known him to be a carpenter, because he would have been a carpenter for many years had he been one. The real parents of Jesus were his mother, Mary, and God. your really bucking a lot of tradition and customs of the time with your speculation...
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 16:02:04 GMT -5
Suppose ye a geographical location? Did Jesus not say that the Kingdom of God comes not by observation? Did he not say that the Kingdom of God is within you? He learned the Kingdom of God within himself. That is why years later, he could speak of such things through experience. If you say so. Come on now Snow, I'm quoting Jesus, not myself!
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 16:08:50 GMT -5
What do we have evidence for? Consider the purpose of Jesus coming into the world. Was it to make chairs or was it to save sinners, do the will of God. At 12 years of age he turned his back on his natural family to discuss the things of God with the religeous teachers and leaders. When his parents came for him, it was his mother who spoke to him. Joseph is obvious by his silence. Jesus said to his mother...'Wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?. He was referring to his heavenly Father's business. That is what the angel Gabriel told Mary when she conceived Jesus, That was the trade he was entering into. He spent 18 years learning from God. The Bible tells us that from 12 years on that he grew in wisdom with both man and God. That 18 years was spent in learning the law,the scriptures which he was to fullfil, as well as preparation for the tests and trials and fulfilling the purpose of his future ministry. We learn that after the Pharisees heard him preaching and seeing the miracles that he worked, they asked themselves...'Is this not Joseph the Carpenter's son?' They did not ask...'Is this not Jesus the carpenter,' something they would surely have asked had they known him to be a carpenter, because he would have been a carpenter for many years had he been one. The real parents of Jesus were his mother, Mary, and God. your really bucking a lot of tradition and customs of the time with your speculation... Read the last portion of Luke 2 and then do an honest and sincere prayerful study of Luke 3 & 4, then see how you stand with the term 'speculation?' Also, what I have stated regarding customs and tradition......would you care to engage more deeply? Jesus showed us very clearly that he was 100% dedicated to his Father's will and purpose during his ministry. This ministry clearly required similar preparation.
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Post by mountain on Apr 23, 2019 16:17:05 GMT -5
Luke 2. 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
'Why did you look for me. Didn't you know that I must be about God's business.'
From age 12, as was Jewish custom, Jesus entered his father's business. Only, it was his heavenly father's business, not the family business.
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Post by horror on Apr 23, 2019 20:13:41 GMT -5
Leitch has done enough damage,keep him off any list. Ask CSA victims,and Stephen Schutz. But Stephen has at least now Via TV been vindicated.
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 24, 2019 8:30:57 GMT -5
Leitch has done enough damage,keep him off any list. Ask CSA victims,and Stephen Schutz. But Stephen has at least now Via TV been vindicated. Could you pls share how Stephen S. has been vindicated?
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Post by snow on Apr 24, 2019 12:47:13 GMT -5
Come on now Snow, I'm quoting Jesus, not myself! Actually, to be precise, you are quoting what someone said Jesus said. Jesus didn't write anything. Everything written about what he said is hearsay.
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Post by mountain on Apr 24, 2019 16:11:06 GMT -5
Come on now Snow, I'm quoting Jesus, not myself! Actually, to be precise, you are quoting what someone said Jesus said. Jesus didn't write anything. Everything written about what he said is hearsay. Yes, by people who saw by his life that everything he said was true. As the Apostle John wrote: John 1.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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Post by snow on Apr 24, 2019 17:28:40 GMT -5
Actually, to be precise, you are quoting what someone said Jesus said. Jesus didn't write anything. Everything written about what he said is hearsay. Yes, by people who saw by his life that everything he said was true. As the Apostle John wrote: John 1.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. So you believe. But we have no proof that Jesus said any of those things because in truth, he never 'said' anything. Others did all the interpreting and talking for him. We all know how well that works don't we.
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Post by mountain on Apr 25, 2019 7:05:46 GMT -5
Yes, by people who saw by his life that everything he said was true. As the Apostle John wrote: John 1.14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. So you believe. But we have no proof that Jesus said any of those things because in truth, he never 'said' anything. Others did all the interpreting and talking for him. We all know how well that works don't we. Sorry Snow, But these people who quoted Jesus were eye-witnesses to the things he said and did. 2 Peter 1.16. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. Either I believe Peter or I believe you? Perhaps this is an opportune moment to do a poll of board members on this issue? 1) I believe the Apostle Peter or 2) I believe board member Snow
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Post by snow on Apr 25, 2019 12:34:44 GMT -5
So you believe. But we have no proof that Jesus said any of those things because in truth, he never 'said' anything. Others did all the interpreting and talking for him. We all know how well that works don't we. Sorry Snow, But these people who quoted Jesus were eye-witnesses to the things he said and did. 2 Peter 1.16. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. Either I believe Peter or I believe you? Perhaps this is an opportune moment to do a poll of board members on this issue? 1) I believe the Apostle Peter or 2) I believe board member Snow Read the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and then come back and tell me that Peter is more believable. And there is no proof that the gospels were written by eye witnesses either. In fact most biblical scholars now believe that none of the synoptic gospels were written until after the fall of Jerusalem and not by any of the apostles that have their names attributed to them. The Gospel of John is the only one that they feel was written by John, though some believe the most beloved apostle wasn't John, but was Mary Magdalene. Of course you can't even consider that. You have to believe the bible is inerrant.
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