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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 1:02:34 GMT -5
Did Jesus set up a denomination? No man does. We are not set up by man. Actually, I'm not sure Jesus even meant to create Christianity. He was just a devout Jew that felt there were changes needed in his current religion. I doubt he would even recognize the religion Christianity if he came back today. Jesus didn't create Christianity, He bought a message from God about Himself for the salvation offered to man. Jesus didn't worship in the Jews religion, the Jews religion was far from Gods will. He will recognise those who have His Spirit.
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 1:04:42 GMT -5
You did it again. You claimed; " We know things you don't know."
You apparently "don't know things I don't know."
PS:
What do you mean that you, "I know my history and appreciate some not all."
I wonder what part of the our history you don't "appreciate?"
Good. If you say so. If you read I said my history
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 1:08:38 GMT -5
Yes, WE were set up by man!
This time was no different!
IT was men who came out of other denominations just like all other denominational founders did.
Do you think that Irvin, Walker, Cooney, Hardie or and the others just came out of nowhere?
No, they were from other churchs.
All denominations began with men from other denominations who thought the religion they were in was not "right." They decided they knew the "right" way and thus began another way.
They also set up systems and ruled over them in almost a dictatorial way.
You might have been but my calling came from God. They were moved by God simple as that, God used them for His purpose as He does today. We are not a denomination but a faith. They don't do that where I live.
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 1:10:21 GMT -5
Speak, you said "Being around longer doesn't give you the power of knowledge greater than others."
Age does give us a background that does help because of personal experience.
Example: My memory of my younger days are peppered with "names;" names that today are only known from a book. (and often questioned by those who don't want to believe our history)
Names that were often referred to with personal anecdotes by our parents; -names like Tom Beatty, Affie Magwan, Patience Bateman, Lizzy McGregor.
In hindsight, -those very names ring true to the fact that the "*TRUTH,*" as we called it, -come only from one area of the world , Ireland & Scotland.
Also, on the end paper of my father's hymn book from when he was in the work he had jotted down notes of places where the "truth" had spread into Europe, -giving names of the people etc.
Your experience obviously didn't contain God.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 1:10:29 GMT -5
Pragmatic: Kindly quote from my posts on this thread EVERY statement I have made that you refer to as "the rest is all spin" We'll individually look at each statement so accused and see if it is a true or false accusation you are making. I reject your statement that I have failed to adequately address the issue of Irvine. I openly and freely discuss him with any that ask. I have fully and openly declared that he is NOT the founder of our church. I am at peace and have assurance of the truth and reality of Willy's role in the first years of our fellowship. ☺️ Then you are deluded. Which is a kind way of putting it. Perhaps you are too kind.
When someone will not answer questions vital to the subject at hand, -they either don't know the answer or they are purposefully being deceptive.
Review005 still hasn't answered my question. I ask a question about a fundamental belief. Extremely important one.
"Review005, Do you believe that the WORKERS of the "fellowship," -which you in are in now, -are the only ones through which one can hear the voice of GOD to his people and that all other "ministers" cannot be depended on as representing the will of GOD?"
He hasn't answered that question.
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 1:11:50 GMT -5
Pragmatic: Kindly quote from my posts on this thread EVERY statement I have made that you refer to as "the rest is all spin" We'll individually look at each statement so accused and see if it is a true or false accusation you are making. I reject your statement that I have failed to adequately address the issue of Irvine. I openly and freely discuss him with any that ask. I have fully and openly declared that he is NOT the founder of our church. I am at peace and have assurance of the truth and reality of Willy's role in the first years of our fellowship. ☺️ Then you are deluded. Which is a kind way of putting it. And you are rude
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Post by Grant on Jun 22, 2017 1:13:07 GMT -5
Haha funny, they all say that. The truth is that the truth is out, you were set up by man. With the age of the Internet your idle words no longer fool people. You put more store in what the internet tells you than the Holy Spirit, I can only surmise that you are internet bound. The facts. You put more store in what the workers say than the truth. The Holy Spirit does not lie.
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 1:16:57 GMT -5
You put more store in what the internet tells you than the Holy Spirit, I can only surmise that you are internet bound. The facts. You put more store in what the workers say than the truth. The Holy Spirit does not lie. I read and pray more that I hear the workers so go figure.
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Post by Grant on Jun 22, 2017 1:20:41 GMT -5
Review says that Irvine was not the founder of their church but he will not say he did not start it. Review who do you believe started your church? You still have not answered the question.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 1:34:08 GMT -5
Speak, you said "Being around longer doesn't give you the power of knowledge greater than others."
Age does give us a background that does help because of personal experience.
Example: My memory of my younger days are peppered with "names;" names that today are only known from a book. (and often questioned by those who don't want to believe our history)
Names that were often referred to with personal anecdotes by our parents; -names like Tom Beatty, Affie Magwan, Patience Bateman, Lizzy McGregor.
In hindsight, -those very names ring true to the fact that the "*TRUTH,*" as we called it, -come only from one area of the world , Ireland & Scotland.
Also, on the end paper of my father's hymn book from when he was in the work he had jotted down notes of places where the "truth" had spread into Europe, -giving names of the people etc.
Your experience obviously didn't contain God. Oh, -really?
Speak, do you mean that all the early WORKERS that my parents knew and spoke of and all the work that those WORKERS did in the those early days here in the US didn't after all "contain God?"
You mean that when my father himself was in the WORK and all the hard times he went though (and they DID have some hard times in those days. Life wasn't easy in those hills of Kentucky ) do you mean that work he did didn't "contain God?"
When do you think that this "belief" you are in started to "contain God?"
Can you maybe give me a year that you think it may have started "containing God?"
Were you born and raised in this way or did you learn of it later in life?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 1:40:22 GMT -5
Actually, I'm not sure Jesus even meant to create Christianity. He was just a devout Jew that felt there were changes needed in his current religion. I doubt he would even recognize the religion Christianity if he came back today. Jesus didn't create Christianity, He bought a message from God about Himself for the salvation offered to man. Jesus didn't worship in the Jews religion, the Jews religion was far from Gods will. He will recognise those who have His Spirit. WOW!
Speak, You really need to study the bible a bit more!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 1:43:21 GMT -5
You did it again. You claimed; " We know things you don't know."
You apparently "don't know things I don't know."
PS:
What do you mean that you, "I know my history and appreciate some not all."
I wonder what part of the our history you don't "appreciate?"
Good. If you say so. If you read I said my history OK. then what part of YOUR history do you NOT "appreciate?"
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 1:57:34 GMT -5
Perhaps you are too kind.
When someone will not answer questions vital to the subject at hand, -they either don't know the answer or they are purposefully being deceptive.
Review005 still hasn't answered my question. I ask a question about a fundamental belief. Extremely important one.
"Review005, Do you believe that the WORKERS of the "fellowship," -which you in are in now, -are the only ones through which one can hear the voice of GOD to his people and that all other "ministers" cannot be depended on as representing the will of GOD?"
He hasn't answered that question.
dmg have you not caught on yet that I long ago stopped responding to your posts? I don't respond to people whose posts are all too often abusive and unpleasant. I'll put you on 'ignore' if that makes it better for you and for me? I won't even see them anymore then. Review005, - Isn't that the way many people tend to act who either don't have an answer or don't want to disclose their nefarious actions to the light of day?
Put me on "ignore."
But it won't make me go away.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 22, 2017 2:28:50 GMT -5
Did Jesus set up a denomination? No man does. We are not set up by man. ** A man decides who will preach where next year. A man decided when to consolidate fields, conventions or move meetings.The various lists are compiled by men. There is no way that there cannot be "men" preforming church functions. A group of MEN left Ireland around 1900 trying to follow in an apostolic method they felt most closely resembled the New Testament ministry. That's what you think. Man asks God, God decides man passes it on. I know you like to leave God out of the equation, I never see you mention Him. I can only surmise that you are bound by the mind of man. So is it only the "workers" that can ask God speak? Or is it just certain workers?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 3:33:21 GMT -5
Did Jesus set up a denomination? No man does. We are not set up by man. ** A man decides who will preach where next year. A man decided when to consolidate fields, conventions or move meetings.The various lists are compiled by men. There is no way that there cannot be "men" preforming church functions. A group of MEN left Ireland around 1900 trying to follow in an apostolic method they felt most closely resembled the New Testament ministry. That's what you think. Man asks God, God decides man passes it on. I know you like to leave God out of the equation, I never see you mention Him. I can only surmise that you are bound by the mind of man. Speak, If you honestly believe that is the way the WORKERS make decisions, that they "ask God, God decides, man passes it on," -you are naive.
They are as organized as any other large denomination. Difference is, you aren't aware of it like other large denominations which are more transparent.
Not even the the lower members in the work know.
The WORKERS are a law unto themselves and only few of them know all the goings on.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 3:41:20 GMT -5
You might have been but my calling came from God. They were moved by God simple as that, God used them for His purpose as He does today. We are not a denomination but a faith. They don't do that where I live. How about all the other groups that began about that time as well?
There were several you know.
Those late 1800's and early 1900's was a time of dissatisfaction with the established churches of the time and several groups started out on their own.
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 4:24:18 GMT -5
Review says that Irvine was not the founder of their church but he will not say he did not start it. Review who do you believe started your church? You still have not answered the question. Answer is simple, God.
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 4:25:45 GMT -5
Your experience obviously didn't contain God. Oh, -really?
Speak, do you mean that all the early WORKERS that my parents knew and spoke of and all the work that those WORKERS did in the those early days here in the US didn't after all "contain God?"
You mean that when my father himself was in the WORK and all the hard times he went though (and they DID have some hard times in those days. Life wasn't easy in those hills of Kentucky ) do you mean that work he did didn't "contain God?"
When do you think that this "belief" you are in started to "contain God?"
Can you maybe give me a year that you think it may have started "containing God?"
Were you born and raised in this way or did you learn of it later in life?
I said your
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 4:27:51 GMT -5
Good. If you say so. If you read I said my history OK. then what part of YOUR history do you NOT "appreciate?"Private
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 4:28:59 GMT -5
That's what you think. Man asks God, God decides man passes it on. I know you like to leave God out of the equation, I never see you mention Him. I can only surmise that you are bound by the mind of man. Speak, If you honestly believe that is the way the WORKERS make decisions, that they "ask God, God decides, man passes it on," -you are naive.
They are as organized as any other large denomination. Difference is, you aren't aware of it like other large denominations which are more transparent.
Not even the the lower members in the work know.
The WORKERS are a law unto themselves and only few of them know all the goings on.
Told you didn't know
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 22, 2017 4:29:23 GMT -5
That's what you think. Man asks God, God decides man passes it on. I know you like to leave God out of the equation, I never see you mention Him. I can only surmise that you are bound by the mind of man. So is it only the "workers" that can ask God speak? Or is it just certain workers?
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 4:30:16 GMT -5
You might have been but my calling came from God. They were moved by God simple as that, God used them for His purpose as He does today. We are not a denomination but a faith. They don't do that where I live. How about all the other groups that began about that time as well?
There were several you know.
Those late 1800's and early 1900's was a time of dissatisfaction with the established churches of the time and several groups started out on their own. Not really interested in what God has not called me into.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 22, 2017 4:33:40 GMT -5
How about all the other groups that began about that time as well?
There were several you know.
Those late 1800's and early 1900's was a time of dissatisfaction with the established churches of the time and several groups started out on their own. Not really interested in what has not called me into. So what happens to all people who lived & died before the late 1800's are they lost because they weren't "called into your group" ? Did they have less faith than you do speak ? Or seeing as @review005 can't find one, maybe you can find a workers list prior to WI to prove the line back to Jesus ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 4:35:45 GMT -5
How about all the other groups that began about that time as well?
There were several you know.
Those late 1800's and early 1900's was a time of dissatisfaction with the established churches of the time and several groups started out on their own. Not really interested in what has not called me into. speak, Do you believe that the WORKERS of the "fellowship," -which you in are in now, -are the only ones through which one can hear the voice of GOD to his people and that all other "ministers" cannot be depended on as representing the will of GOD?"
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2017 4:37:59 GMT -5
Speak, If you honestly believe that is the way the WORKERS make decisions, that they "ask God, God decides, man passes it on," -you are naive.
They are as organized as any other large denomination. Difference is, you aren't aware of it like other large denominations which are more transparent.
Not even the the lower members in the work know.
The WORKERS are a law unto themselves and only few of them know all the goings on.
Told you didn't know Oh? you told me that you didn't know?
I must have missed that.
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Post by snow on Jun 22, 2017 14:48:04 GMT -5
Actually, I'm not sure Jesus even meant to create Christianity. He was just a devout Jew that felt there were changes needed in his current religion. I doubt he would even recognize the religion Christianity if he came back today. Jesus didn't create Christianity, He bought a message from God about Himself for the salvation offered to man. Jesus didn't worship in the Jews religion, the Jews religion was far from Gods will. He will recognise those who have His Spirit. Explain if you would please why you think Jesus didn't worship in the Hebrew religion? He disagreed with some of the newer things they were doing once the Romans took over and the Sanhedrin were in cahoots with the Romans, but otherwise he supported the Jewish religion and was even calling for more rigid rules like there had been in the past. He was most definitely a Jew and believed in the Jewish God. I think he would be quite amazed by the religion that is using his name as a founder today.
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 15:07:45 GMT -5
Not really interested in what has not called me into. speak, Do you believe that the WORKERS of the "fellowship," -which you in are in now, -are the only ones through which one can hear the voice of GOD to his people and that all other "ministers" cannot be depended on as representing the will of GOD?"
You need to ask God that question, God knows who do His bidding. I would like to think there were others.
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Post by speak on Jun 22, 2017 15:13:15 GMT -5
Jesus didn't create Christianity, He bought a message from God about Himself for the salvation offered to man. Jesus didn't worship in the Jews religion, the Jews religion was far from Gods will. He will recognise those who have His Spirit. Explain if you would please why you think Jesus didn't worship in the Hebrew religion? He disagreed with some of the newer things they were doing once the Romans took over and the Sanhedrin were in cahoots with the Romans, but otherwise he supported the Jewish religion and was even calling for more rigid rules like there had been in the past. He was most definitely a Jew and believed in the Jewish God. I think he would be quite amazed by the religion that is using his name as a founder today. He worshipped His Father they didn't so how could He have any fellowship with those who dispised the Father's will.
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