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Post by joanna on Oct 1, 2016 19:56:14 GMT -5
Provide me with proof for the Holy Spirit and I will not speak ill of it. Seems the Holy Spirit is referred to as a male but- How do you determine the gender of a spirit?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 1, 2016 20:57:11 GMT -5
It was restrictive in Jesus case for he had the Holy Spirit without measure. Baloney. "Blasphemy" is an English word, and Jesus didn't speak English. Oh but if he is who some claim he is, hed be considered the author if English. ;-)
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2016 21:21:46 GMT -5
Baloney. "Blasphemy" is an English word, and Jesus didn't speak English. Oh but if he is who some claim he is, hed be considered the author if English. ;-) Yes, and lots of people think he wrote the US Constitution too. Kind of silly, really.
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Post by joanna on Oct 1, 2016 21:28:54 GMT -5
NathanBThere is zero evidence for "eternity" and the "Holy Spirit" or the "devil". Until someone can prove these concepts or entities then I shall continue to dismiss them as fictitious. I really encourage you to aim to distinguish between that which can be evidenced and that which is imaginative. Speaking from experience, it takes a while but begins with applying skepticism and questions to extraordinary claims and learning what parameters to apply in order not to be deceived. Inevitably you, as I do, benefit from this approach in the natural aspects of your life. Even the use of this computer depended on a reliable process: not one which presented and acted on outlandish concepts.
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Post by joanna on Oct 1, 2016 21:58:42 GMT -5
NathanB. I consider your words to constitute both a lie and a threat. But to me it is an empty threat and therefore the lie does not harm nor negatively effect me. It has as much impact as reading about Voldemort in Harry Potter. However for you to make that threat: this should be considered a serious action on your behalf. For such a threat to be respected, the person making it should be inspired to provide proof. Yet you cannot do so. There is not, and never has been, One. Shred. Of. Evidence. provided for the Holy Spirit or life after death or the devil. The You Tube camera trick of a supposed spirit leaving a body is not evidence other than for semi-clever special effects. I consider your threat and lie to be harmful to yourself and anyone else who shares your conviction.
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Post by joanna on Oct 1, 2016 22:05:21 GMT -5
The truth must be supported by evidence otherwise it is not the truth NathanBMerely repeating claims sourced from an ancient book which scholars have proven contains multiple contradictions, false information and forgeries reveals a concerning willingness to fall for tall stories.
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Post by joanna on Oct 1, 2016 22:41:17 GMT -5
We are merely members of the animal kingdom Nathan, and unfortunately humans seek to prove they are a superior being. Death is a final occurance. We do not survive death as the mind and body are one. Brain death = kaput for good
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Post by joanna on Oct 1, 2016 22:51:56 GMT -5
The idea that humans have a soul which will endure post their physical death is consistent with a projection of the human ego and the self-deception our species displays when aiming to project superiority amongst other species. If you believe in the human soul: at what evolutionary point did this entity evolve NathanB
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 2, 2016 0:56:45 GMT -5
Baloney Blasphemy is the english interpretation of a jewish word Bob... Obviously you only speak one language well. haha, if that!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 2, 2016 0:59:18 GMT -5
We are merely members of the animal kingdom Nathan, and unfortunately humans seek to prove they are a superior being. Death is a final occurance. We do not survive death as the mind and body are one. Brain death = kaput for good Not entirely true Joanna, people can be brain dead and still post on here.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 2, 2016 2:13:00 GMT -5
NathanB. I consider your words to constitute both a lie and a threat. But to me it is an empty threat and therefore the lie does not harm nor negatively effect me. It has as much impact as reading about Voldemort in Harry Potter. However for you to make that threat: this should be considered a serious action on your behalf. For such a threat to be respected, the person making it should be inspired to provide proof. Yet you cannot do so. There is not, and never has been, One. Shred. Of. Evidence. provided for the Holy Spirit or life after death or the devil. The You Tube camera trick of a supposed spirit leaving a body is not evidence other than for semi-clever special effects. I consider your threat and lie to be harmful to yourself and anyone else who shares your conviction. You better be careful. Nathan's throne is almost finished and then we'll have to start worrying.
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 2, 2016 2:13:36 GMT -5
NathanBThere is zero evidence for "eternity" and the "Holy Spirit" or the "devil". Until someone can prove these concepts or entities then I shall continue to dismiss them as fictitious. I really encourage you to aim to distinguish between that which up an be evidenced and that which is imaginative. Speaking from experience, it takes a while but begins with applying skepticism and questions to extraoridinary claims. I promise you with 110% that You will FIND out the answer AFTER you die... about ETERNITY, the Holy Spirit, and the Devil will be cast into the LAKE of fire along with unbelievers... The Bible says so, and please believe it while you're still alive, don't wait AFTER death to believe because it will be too LATE to change.1) Scientist Photographs The Soul Leaving The Body Wednesday, September 25, 2013The timing of astral disembodiment in which the spirit leaves the body has been captured by Russian scientist Konstantin Korotkov, who photographed a person at the moment of his death with a bio-electrographic camera. The image taken using the gas discharge visualization method, an advanced technique of Kirlian photography shows in blue the life force of the person leaving the body gradually. beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2013/09/scientist-photographs-the-soul-leaving-the-body-2443674.html 2) SHOCKING 7/2016: You have A SOUL Spirit! Absolute proof you have a SOUL! Haunting Motor accident of a man's soul leaves his body, before he died... photo shows beyond a doubt you have a Soul! www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_y_P2Nr2y0But nathan, you don't just believe the bible, you believe the bible plus to support your beliefs so why quote the bible ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 2, 2016 2:16:15 GMT -5
The idea that humans have a soul which will endure post their physical death is consistent with the human ego and the self-deception our species displays when aiming to project superiority amongst other species. If you believe in the human soul: at what evolutionary point did this entity evolve NathanB The humans created in the IMAGE and LIKENESS of Godhead (Father, Christ/Son and Holy Spirit). Homo Sapiens DO NOT evolve, they were created in the image and likeness of God from start to finish. So is god male or female nathan ? If we were made in his image why aren't we all male ......unless god is female after all
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 2, 2016 2:16:50 GMT -5
The idea that humans have a soul which will endure post their physical death is consistent with the human ego and the self-deception our species displays when aiming to project superiority amongst other species. If you believe in the human soul: at what evolutionary point did this entity evolve NathanB The humans created in the IMAGE and LIKENESS of Godhead (Father, Christ/Son and Holy Spirit). Homo Sapiens DO NOT evolve, they were created in the image and likeness of God from start to finish. Sounds like God is somewhat of a chameleon -- sometimes black, sometimes white, sometimes Chinese, sometimes smart, sometimes stupid, sometimes liberal, sometimes conservative. How come I can't do all that if I'm like him?
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Post by howitis on Oct 2, 2016 2:23:13 GMT -5
Aww BobWilliston, you'll get your answer, you have to get to Heaven first though
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Post by Grant on Oct 2, 2016 2:23:57 GMT -5
I'm too lazy to look it up but didn't God say that he made man in his image. Doesn't say women, who was made from Adams rib.
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Post by howitis on Oct 2, 2016 2:35:24 GMT -5
Look how useful bones can be.....the bible uses them often.....a rib, jawbone of an ass, bones crying out, valley of dry bones.......
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 2, 2016 13:02:41 GMT -5
The truth must be supported by evidence otherwise it is not the truth NathanBMerely repeating claims sourced from an ancient book which scholars have proven contains multiple contradictions, false information and forgeries reveals a concerning willingness to fall for tall stories. I believe in God's words and promises... You don't. So, I will leave you alone, time/death will support my evidence as the truth to you. First death and Second Death are NOT false information or tall stories. ALL of us MUST DIE the first DEATH, so you and I will FIND out the Truth after death, where the unbelievers and believers will be going/spending for Eternity.Has anybody ever found proof for a person's understanding? It may come from "old books," videos etc or life's experiences. Atheists have their understanding from books, persons gone before and self experiences. So do those who have understanding of God in all his glory.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 3, 2016 1:54:12 GMT -5
I believe in God's words and promises... You don't. So, I will leave you alone, time/death will support my evidence as the truth to you. First death and Second Death are NOT false information or tall stories. ALL of us MUST DIE the first DEATH, so you and I will FIND out the Truth after death, where the unbelievers and believers will be going/spending for Eternity. Has anybody ever found proof for a person's understanding? It may come from "old books," videos etc or life's experiences. Atheists have their understanding from books, persons gone before and self experiences. So do those who have understanding of God in all his glory. Actually, atheists DON'T need to get their understanding from books.
We just don't see the evidence of a god in the "old" book, the bible; anymore than we see any evidence of a god in other "old" books like the Vedas.
While Christians see their god in the bible, they would denounce the gods in the Vedas.
BUT, -BUT if they were born and lived in India THEY might just believe the the Hindu gods !
(except of course if they were atheists and there are atheists all over the place! )
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Post by vanillagorilla on Oct 3, 2016 11:14:24 GMT -5
NathanB . I consider your words to constitute both a lie and a threat. But to me it is an empty threat and therefore the lie does not harm nor negatively effect me. It has as much impact as reading about Voldemort in Harry Potter. However for you to make that threat: this should be considered a serious action on your behalf. For such a threat to be respected, the person making it should be inspired to provide proof. Yet you cannot do so. There is not, and never has been, One. Shred. Of. Evidence. provided for the Holy Spirit or life after death. The You Tube camera trick of a supposed spirit leaving a body is not evidence other than for semi-clever special effects. I consider your threat and lie to be harmful to yourself and anyone else who shares your conviction. I am TELLING you the TRUTH... this is no threat but the TRUTH. Believe it or NOT at your own risk. In ETERNITY don't say we (many of us on TMB) didn't warn you about the LAKE of Fire reserved for Satan, fallen angels, and unbelievers. Death is NOT the end. Death is just the beginning of LIFE forever, it depends which side you will end up.
Revelation 20:14-20
10 And the devil who had deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away, and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Where did this come from? Seems the bible was written on the accounts of all these people who met Jesus, and captured it in the books within the bible. However, what you quoted from Revelations came from a dude who had a hallucination on an island after Jesus' death and this is not the personal account of what Jesus said to him. Please educate me if I am wrong, which very much may be true.
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