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Post by blandie on May 28, 2016 13:09:07 GMT -5
This is a subject we really to set our hooks in and sadly in2x2s I never head it even mentioned as if they were afraid to do so. Nor have I heard other churches preach on it. I once had a so-called 'apostle' threaten me with this for raising questions about what they were claiming because they believed that 'blasphemy of the spirit' was to to question them and particularly to show that that their 'god breathed utterances' were not in keeping with the scriptures - and that pronouncement immediately ended the discussion several of us were having. They were ok so long as we sat and swallowed what they were selling - but went cold when someone disagreed with them. I agree that the passage is about attacking and defaming god and even misleading others in the process and in a more fundamental way is putting oneself to replace god and acting as god's judge in the same way as all idolatry is putting god below one's self and making a puppet out of god - god doesn't matter in that case because the person decides that they can make god not the reverse sorta like the pot deciding to put itself in the position of judging the potter as in romans 9.
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Post by emy on May 30, 2016 13:24:41 GMT -5
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Post by SharonArnold on May 30, 2016 14:29:22 GMT -5
"The more I study science the more i believe in God". Albert Einstein. I doubt Einstein would have ever said that. Various groups want to claim Einstein for themselves, just as they do the flag, our history etc.. Fact is Einstein was an atheist. But Newton was a Christian (sort of) Makes no difference. Says nothing about Christianity.
But in saying the bible is a myth puts Einstein on shaky ground. Not that he cared.Would this, like, be a type of cultural appropriation? Ha! You might question what Einstein meant by "myth". Joseph Campbell might be a good place to start. Or, you can continue to equate "myth" to a "lie". (Your loss.) If by "atheist" you mean someone who does not believe in a "superior being", aka an old man with a beard in the sky, then of course Einstein was one. IMO, Einstein came closer to describing "God" than most people have.
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Post by SharonArnold on May 30, 2016 14:47:20 GMT -5
What do YOU think blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is? Pondering this has always left me with more questions than answers. And because it is the "unforgiveable sin", then one would think that it was pretty important to understand!!! I like @dennisj and Ross.Bowden responses on this thread, because I think they both are getting at something important. For myself, the question of what "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is, most often arises when I see someone denying the Presence of God/Work of God in someone else's life. (Someone like Irvine Grey on this and other 2X2 forums would be a typical example.) However, Dennis' response where it is a very individual thing where one would "silence the voice of God" is far more charitable, and probably more correct.
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 30, 2016 18:09:03 GMT -5
What do YOU think blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is? Pondering this has always left me with more questions than answers. And because it is the "unforgiveable sin", then one would think that it was pretty important to understand!!! I like @dennisj and Ross.Bowden responses on this thread, because I think they both are getting at something important. For myself, the question of what "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" is, most often arises when I see someone denying the Presence of God/Work of God in someone else's life. (Someone like Irvine Grey on this and other 2X2 forums would be a typical example.) However, Dennis' response where it is a very individual thing where one would "silence the voice of God" is far more charitable, and probably more correct. Thank you Sharon..the Holy Spirit emanates from God and the blaring example given in the bible is when Pharisees said Jesus was casting out demons because he had Beelzebub. That is as pure unquestionable blasphemy of the Holy Spirit because Jesus had a full measure or as the bible says he had the Holy Spirit without measure. So as you've put to speak against anyone who plainly has the HS working within them surely is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, in that the criticism speaks against the "persons" spirit that enables them in their life. I question what atheists say/do when criticizing people who believe in the bible and Holy Spirit. What are they setting themselves up for? I want to pray "Father forgive them for they know not what the do.". But then as Dennis pointed out this sin is one we're not to pray for.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 18:38:47 GMT -5
"The more I study science the more i believe in God". Albert Einstein. I doubt Einstein would have ever said that. Various groups want to claim Einstein for themselves, just as they do the flag, our history etc.. Fact is Einstein was an atheist. But Newton was a Christian (sort of) Makes no difference. Says nothing about Christianity.
But in saying the bible is a myth puts Einstein on shaky ground. Not that he cared.By Douglas Ernst - The Washington Times - Thursday, June 11, 2015 Over two dozen of Albert Einstein’s personal letters, some which reveal that he was not an atheist, will be auctioned on Thursday. California-based auction house Profiles in History is putting the letters up for auction in Los Angeles. Did that auction actually materialized?
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Post by maryhig on May 31, 2016 5:48:09 GMT -5
Blasphemy of the holy spirit is speaking against the word of God, and saying good is evil.
They tried to say that Jesus had a devil. They blasphemed the holy spirit, everything Jesus spoke, came from God. And there is no evil in God. So to call Jesus evil or to go against him and say his teachings were bad, this is blasphemy.
And we can do it too by knowing what is right to do and say, and going against that and agreeing with those who speak bad things that are wrong and against God and those who laugh and mock him making jokes of him and deny him. When we know it's wrong, we shouldn't laugh with them, we should stand up and say it's not right, not stay silent, laugh it off or even sometimes agree.
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Post by rational on May 31, 2016 15:52:39 GMT -5
I doubt Einstein would have ever said that. Various groups want to claim Einstein for themselves, just as they do the flag, our history etc.. Fact is Einstein was an atheist. But Newton was a Christian (sort of) Makes no difference. Says nothing about Christianity.
But in saying the bible is a myth puts Einstein on shaky ground. Not that he cared. By Douglas Ernst - The Washington Times - Thursday, June 11, 2015 Over two dozen of Albert Einstein’s personal letters, some which reveal that he was not an atheist, will be auctioned on Thursday. Do Einstein's personal beliefs really matter? I don't recall that he ever used any deity or deities as factors in solving any formulas/equations.
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Post by SharonArnold on May 31, 2016 16:17:53 GMT -5
By Douglas Ernst - The Washington Times - Thursday, June 11, 2015 Over two dozen of Albert Einstein’s personal letters, some which reveal that he was not an atheist, will be auctioned on Thursday. Do Einstein's personal beliefs really matter? I don't recall that he ever used any deity or deities as factors in solving any formulas/equations. No... But he did make a number of intriguing references to the nature of "God" that resonated with many - both "believers" and "non-believers" alike.
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Post by rational on May 31, 2016 17:17:22 GMT -5
Do Einstein's personal beliefs really matter? I don't recall that he ever used any deity or deities as factors in solving any formulas/equations. No... But he did make a number of intriguing references to the nature of "God" that resonated with many - both "believers" and "non-believers" alike. A number of people have made intriguing references to the nature of god.
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Post by SharonArnold on May 31, 2016 18:36:08 GMT -5
No... But he did make a number of intriguing references to the nature of "God" that resonated with many - both "believers" and "non-believers" alike. A number of people have made intriguing references to the nature of god. Yeah. I'm not saying that because he was "Einstein" that his references deserve more weight than anybody else. Do they resonate with you? Great. If not, no problem.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Sept 29, 2016 20:16:59 GMT -5
Revisit for those who are sure yet what blaspheming the Holy Spirit is.
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Post by joanna on Sept 29, 2016 21:27:21 GMT -5
Maybe take it back one step and please provide us with proof that the Holy Spirit exists.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 30, 2016 15:56:00 GMT -5
It is not possible to speak ill of something that does not exist.
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Post by woodsman on Sept 30, 2016 17:50:46 GMT -5
No if's or buts!! Dennis gave the correct answer. The 2x2s try and make out they are a replacement for the active Spirit of God that is amongst us.They are Judge and Jury of their followers eternal possibility.
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Post by divinelove on Sept 30, 2016 18:10:48 GMT -5
My understanding of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the miracles that Jesus accomplished to Satan. They told Jesus that he was cadting out devils by beelzebub the prince of the devils...and basically said he had an unclean spirit by saying that. That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Not a sin that can be entered into lightly.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 30, 2016 18:18:07 GMT -5
My understanding of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the miracles that Jesus accomplished to Satan. They told Jesus that he was cadting out devils by beelzebub the prince of the devils...and basically said he had an unclean spirit by saying that. That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Not a sin that can be entered into lightly. The definition of blasphemy is not that restrictive -- in fact, it's negotiable according to one's theology.
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Post by vanillagorilla on Sept 30, 2016 18:23:21 GMT -5
blasphemy is also making me wait in line while you buy lottery scratchers for 5 min, curling in the squat rack, driving slow in the fast lane, texting while driving, not hitting depth on squats, not re-racking your weights, confusing there, their and they're... using the word irregarless, limp handshakes, wearing a ski hat in the hot summer, wearing pants way lower than they should be, people who try and convert me to be a vegan, stolen valor, and mayonnaise which is the devil.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 30, 2016 19:38:33 GMT -5
blasphemy is also making me wait in line while you buy lottery scratchers for 5 min, curling in the squat rack, driving slow in the fast lane, texting while driving, not hitting depth on squats, not re-racking your weights, confusing there, their and they're... using the word irregarless, limp handshakes, wearing a ski hat in the hot summer, wearing pants way lower than they should be, people who try and convert me to be a vegan, stolen valor, and mayonnaise which is the devil. Ah hah, you're holiness/
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 1, 2016 16:14:38 GMT -5
My understanding of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the miracles that Jesus accomplished to Satan. They told Jesus that he was cadting out devils by beelzebub the prince of the devils...and basically said he had an unclean spirit by saying that. That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Not a sin that can be entered into lightly. The definition of blasphemy is not that restrictive -- in fact, it's negotiable according to one's theology. It was restrictive in Jesus case for he had the Holy Spirit without measure.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 1, 2016 16:18:06 GMT -5
BTW, I feel any time there is blasphemy and the Holy Spirit is involved that it is restrictive to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, for we should respect the Holy Spirit as He is the Spirit of God.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2016 17:09:24 GMT -5
The definition of blasphemy is not that restrictive -- in fact, it's negotiable according to one's theology. It was restrictive in Jesus case for he had the Holy Spirit without measure. Baloney. "Blasphemy" is an English word, and Jesus didn't speak English.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2016 17:12:12 GMT -5
BTW, I feel any time there is blasphemy and the Holy Spirit is involved that it is restrictive to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, for we should respect the Holy Spirit as He is the Spirit of God. It's a nice feeling for you to have. But you may want to make a study of blasphemy against "other" entities.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2016 17:13:05 GMT -5
My understanding of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the miracles that Jesus accomplished to Satan. They told Jesus that he was cadting out devils by beelzebub the prince of the devils...and basically said he had an unclean spirit by saying that. That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Not a sin that can be entered into lightly. Don't you people ever consult a good dictionary?
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Post by divinelove on Oct 1, 2016 18:29:01 GMT -5
My understanding of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the miracles that Jesus accomplished to Satan. They told Jesus that he was cadting out devils by beelzebub the prince of the devils...and basically said he had an unclean spirit by saying that. That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Not a sin that can be entered into lightly. Don't you people ever consult a good dictionary? I am sorry for miss spelling a word. I don't have a computer and was using my phone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 18:33:11 GMT -5
It was restrictive in Jesus case for he had the Holy Spirit without measure. Baloney. "Blasphemy" is an English word, and Jesus didn't speak English. Baloney Blasphemy is the english interpretation of a jewish word Bob...
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2016 18:35:17 GMT -5
Don't you people ever consult a good dictionary? I am sorry for miss spelling a word. I don't have a computer and was using my phone. I wasn't talking about spelling -- I was talking about the meaning of the English word.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 1, 2016 18:36:19 GMT -5
Baloney. "Blasphemy" is an English word, and Jesus didn't speak English. Baloney Blasphemy is the english interpretation of a jewish word Bob... Obviously you only speak one language well.
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