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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 20:19:13 GMT -5
some atheist have converted to Christianity rational so we know it can be done...
Atheists who converted to Christianity[edit] Alexis Carrel - French surgeon and biologist who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1912.[1] Lee Strobel - American Christian Apologetic author. He has written several books, including four which received ECPA Christian Book Awards (1994, 1999, 2001, 2005)[2] and a series which addresses challenges to a Biblically inerrant view of Christianity.[3] Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - Russian novelist, historian. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1970.[4] Vladimir Putin - Current President of the Russian Federation. Czesław Miłosz - poet, prose writer, translator and diplomat. He was the Neustadt International Prize for Literature, and in 1980 the Nobel Prize in Literature.[5] Eben Alexander - neurosurgeon, author, teaching physician. Author of Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife. C. S. Lewis Oxford Scholar cslewis.drzeus.net/bio/ and 'Surprised by Joy: The shape of my life' Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 1966 Dr David Catchpoole, B.Ag.Sc. (Hons), Ph.D. Plant Physiologist creation.com/david-catchpoole-cv Dr Emil Silvestru Geologist/karstologist Ph.D in geology at the ‘Babes-Bolyai’ University in Cluj, Romania creation.com/following-darwin-an-interview-with-dr-emil-silvestru Richard Peachey, B.Th., B.Sc. Richard Peachey creation.com/richard-peachey Dr Carl Wieland M.B., B.S creation.com/carl-wieland-retires Dr Russell Humphreys Physicist B.S., Duke University, Durham, NC, 1963, Ph.D., Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA, 1972 Beginning in 1979 he worked for Sandia National Laboratories (New Mexico) in nuclear physics, geophysics, pulsed-power research, and theoretical atomic and nuclear physics. In 1985, he began working with Sandia’s ‘Particle Beam Fusion Project’, and was co-inventor of special laser-triggered ‘Rimfire’ high-voltage switches, now coming into wider use. The last decade at Sandia saw greater emphasis on theoretical nuclear physics and radiation hydrodynamics in an effort to help produce the world’s first lab–scale thermonuclear fusion. Besides gaining two other U.S. patents, Dr Humphreys has been given two awards from Sandia, including an Award for Excellence for contributions to light ion–fusion target theory. creation.com/d-russell-humphreys-cv
Why am I not surprised that the vast majority of your examples come from that site of unimpeachable integrity, creation.com. Adding sarcasm tags to ProBoards would be useful! I don't think that 5 references to creation.com constitute a "vast majority"
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Post by Lee on Apr 22, 2016 22:54:09 GMT -5
Dont buy Bobs baloney Maryhig. Bob treats all of religion as an extension of politics and reinterprets history to conform to his mold. It is impossible for him to conceive that Christians were ever a response to Christ. You may be right. I recall once thinking that Christians sprang fully matured from the brain of Zeus. Most of us dont have the luxury to interpret everything as a joke like you do. Neither did Jesus. Taking a stand for truth he lost his life.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 22, 2016 23:34:42 GMT -5
You may be right. I recall once thinking that Christians sprang fully matured from the brain of Zeus. Most of us dont have the luxury to interpret everything as a joke like you do. Neither did Jesus. Taking a stand for truth he lost his life. I'm sorry about the luxury -- but at least I didn't have to steal it from anyone.
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Post by Lee on Apr 22, 2016 23:42:38 GMT -5
How do you know? BS Bernie Sanders thinks you did.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 22, 2016 23:44:35 GMT -5
How do you know? BS Bernie Sanders thinks you did. I didn't know you were friends with Bernie.
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Post by Lee on Apr 22, 2016 23:45:53 GMT -5
Truth is the currency that has ever mattered. Did Jesus die for a timeless truth or is truth relative to the crocodile. Irrational believes the locus of truth resides in the crocodile.
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Post by Lee on Apr 22, 2016 23:48:45 GMT -5
Who the hell do you pray to BW? Yourself?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2016 0:24:09 GMT -5
Truth is the currency that has ever mattered. Did Jesus die for a timeless truth or is truth relative to the crocodile. Irrational believes the locus of truth resides in the crocodile. Crocodiles are relative to alligators.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2016 0:24:49 GMT -5
Who the hell do you pray to BW? Yourself? You looking for someone to pray to?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 23, 2016 1:16:44 GMT -5
Most of us dont have the luxury to interpret everything as a joke like you do. Neither did Jesus. Taking a stand for truth he lost his life. I'm sorry about the luxury -- but at least I didn't have to steal it from anyone. Oh, but Bob! You are getting your gods & godesses all mixed up!
It was Minerva the Roman goddess who was born from the head of Jupiter.
Put on the dunce cap & g stand in the corner!
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 23, 2016 1:19:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry about the luxury -- but at least I didn't have to steal it from anyone. Oh, but Bob! You are getting your gods & godesses all mixed up!
It was Minerva the Roman goddess who was born from the head of Jupiter.
Put on the dunce cap & g stand in the corner!
But Trump doesn't have to get it straight to be taken seriously!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 23, 2016 2:35:11 GMT -5
Oh, but Bob! You are getting your gods & godesses all mixed up!
It was Minerva the Roman goddess who was born from the head of Jupiter.
Put on the dunce cap & g stand in the corner!
But Trump doesn't have to get it straight to be taken seriously!
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Post by rational on Apr 23, 2016 6:23:20 GMT -5
Why am I not surprised that the vast majority of your examples come from that site of unimpeachable integrity, creation.com. Adding sarcasm tags to ProBoards would be useful! I don't think that 5 references to creation.com constitute a "vast majority" You provided 6 references and 5 of them were creation.com. That is not a minority. It is not a simple majority. Even a super-majority would be only 2/3 or 67%. In your case it was 5/6 or 83% of your references. What would you like to call it?
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Post by rational on Apr 23, 2016 6:33:07 GMT -5
You may be right. I recall once thinking that Christians sprang fully matured from the brain of Zeus. ;) Most of us dont have the luxury to interpret everything as a joke like you do. Neither did Jesus. Taking a stand for truth he lost his life. Is that the reason why Jesus was crucified? I thought it was part of an eternal plan that was in place from the beginning of time. I have read in a number of places that god sacrificed his only son. How does human sacrifice equate to standing for truth? Generally speaking, the person being sacrificed does not have a choice. Check with Isaac - I don't recall a list of options being given to him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 10:32:52 GMT -5
I don't think that 5 references to creation.com constitute a "vast majority" You provided 6 references and 5 of them were creation.com. That is not a minority. It is not a simple majority. Even a super-majority would be only 2/3 or 67%. In your case it was 5/6 or 83% of your references. What would you like to call it? umm I gave you 12 names 5 isn't even 50%...
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Post by rational on Apr 23, 2016 22:41:31 GMT -5
You provided 6 references and 5 of them were creation.com. That is not a minority. It is not a simple majority. Even a super-majority would be only 2/3 or 67%. In your case it was 5/6 or 83% of your references. What would you like to call it? umm I gave you 12 names 5 isn't even 50%... Come on, @wally, you know a list of names does not count as a reference. There were only 6 references.
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Post by Lee on Apr 25, 2016 0:57:12 GMT -5
Most of us dont have the luxury to interpret everything as a joke like you do. Neither did Jesus. Taking a stand for truth he lost his life. Is that the reason why Jesus was crucified? I thought it was part of an eternal plan that was in place from the beginning of time. I have read in a number of places that god sacrificed his only son. How does human sacrifice equate to standing for truth? Generally speaking, the person being sacrificed does not have a choice. Check with Isaac - I don't recall a list of options being given to him. The concept of parallel wills is lost on the Godless. Fortunately the general population of earth has been habilitated to recognize the value of servant leadership.
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Post by Lee on Apr 25, 2016 1:00:21 GMT -5
Who the hell do you pray to BW? Yourself? You looking for someone to pray to? Are you for hire? The diversity (not the UNIversity) paid you well.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 25, 2016 1:19:29 GMT -5
You looking for someone to pray to? Are you for hire? The diversity (not the UNIversity) paid you well. No.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 25, 2016 1:41:49 GMT -5
The probllem is in determining who can say what the will of god is. There are countless times when people claimed to be doing the will of god. Parents killing their children. Religious groups slaughtering those who did not believe as they did. Certainly if your god is an all know all powerful all loving being that makes his will clearly known to people it would be a good thing. Buut there is no proof that such a being exists and, if there is one, the one ares that needs work is communicating a clear and consistent message. Well my friend, there is no concrete proof that God doesn't exist either, so until there is concrete proof, I will stick to my guns that He is the Holy Spirit. Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe. I have never seen the wind or electricity either, but I know and believe that they are there. Since you are the one that insists there is no concrete proof that God doesn't exist, -it is your burden to PROVE that He DOES exist.
If I were to say that a bogart comes into my house while I am asleep and washes the dishes and does my laundry and mops & dust & vacuums, -how would YOU go about proving that the bogart doesn't exist?
In the same vein as your argument, I could also say that, "Blessed are those who do not see and yet believe in the bogart," because if they just believed, they also could have the benefit of a BOGART doing the chores in their house as well!
My point is that if you believe something exists, the burden of proof is on the person that believes it.
When it comes to paranormal beings like gods/goddesses, fairies, etc., how would YOU go about being able to prove they DON'T exist?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 25, 2016 1:49:44 GMT -5
Is that the reason why Jesus was crucified? I thought it was part of an eternal plan that was in place from the beginning of time. I have read in a number of places that god sacrificed his only son. How does human sacrifice equate to standing for truth? Generally speaking, the person being sacrificed does not have a choice. Check with Isaac - I don't recall a list of options being given to him. The concept of parallel wills is lost on the Godless. Fortunately the general population of earth has been habilitated to recognize the value of servant leadership. Fortunately?
Hasn't it rather been a bane on humanity to believe in a hierarchy of rulers where there are masters and servants rather than people working together in cooperation?
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Post by Lee on Apr 25, 2016 13:06:27 GMT -5
Excellent question. By our choices and consent, like a pearl in an oyster were acquring our souls.
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Post by rational on Apr 25, 2016 13:43:20 GMT -5
Excellent question. By our choices and consent, like a pearl in an oyster were acquring our souls. The pearl in the oyster grows in response to an irritant. Souls are acquired/grow because of irritation? I can see that.
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Post by Lee on Apr 25, 2016 13:53:21 GMT -5
But you must not admit of anything transcendent. Dedicated atheists are all about the intrinsic transcendence of matter hence Physicalism.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 25, 2016 15:26:58 GMT -5
But you must not admit of anything transcendent. Dedicated atheists are all about the intrinsic transcendence of matter hence Physicalism. How do you become a "Dedicated" atheist? Do you have to go to classes and pass exams?
Is it like one has to get a degree of some kind in order to call themselves a "Dedicated" atheist instead of just a garden variety type atheist?
PS: Can you explain what you mean by "intrinsic transcendence of matter" then why it becomes as you said "hence Physicalism?"
Please? -in just simple terms that a non- "Dedicated" atheist can understand?
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Post by rational on Apr 25, 2016 16:36:34 GMT -5
But you must not admit of anything transcendent. Dedicated atheists are all about the intrinsic transcendence of matter hence Physicalism. It is not so much admitting it but rather finding any proof of the claim. Should I assume that you have no such proof as was the case when you have gone down this road in the past?
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Post by Lee on Apr 25, 2016 17:23:37 GMT -5
There is no proof that can be offered on physical terms. By definition, the creative perogative defies our ability to specify, define, and confine.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 25, 2016 17:41:54 GMT -5
There is no proof that can be offered on physical terms. By definition, the creative perogative defies our ability to specify, define, and confine. Well of course ! How dumb of me! But you haven't answered my questions yet.
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