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Post by rational on Sept 3, 2016 8:59:51 GMT -5
We can forgive people that sin against us, but that doesn't make us angels does it ? ;) Given the definition of sin, if you believe you are 'sinned against' wouldn't that make you god?
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Post by Commonman on Sept 4, 2016 8:22:02 GMT -5
We can forgive people that sin against us, but that doesn't make us angels does it ? Given the definition of sin, if you believe you are 'sinned against' wouldn't that make you god? It should be our human virtue to forgive others , as it is shown as example . Like we read of others, we need to forgive others , if we also wish to be forgiven.
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Post by god of gods on Jan 8, 2017 6:36:04 GMT -5
God is a title, not a "name"
There is an honored tradition to capitalize any word or pronoun when we are referring to either Jesus or God.
The Jews knew of a name (unpronounceable ) hense it is seldom printed , believe it is like a tetrahedron
God knows there are other gods, that He is titled, God of gods , capitalized because it refers to God the Father. Thus : God is an honored a title not a compound entity. The end.
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Post by God of gods on Jan 8, 2017 6:41:35 GMT -5
Thou shalt have no other being/thing worshipped before God
Thou shalt have no other gods before ME ( refers to God) singular, Not plural
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Post by ThewillofGod on Apr 13, 2018 3:19:48 GMT -5
Hmmm
“Not my will, but Thine be done.”
What was Jesus praying about ?
Does God have a will that Jesus desired to obtain
through submission? Yes , he wanted to do his Fathers wi
Not his .... own ... So how can these “wills” be co- equal?
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Post by snow on Apr 13, 2018 15:22:56 GMT -5
Hmmm “Not my will, but Thine be done.” What was Jesus praying about ? Does God have a will that Jesus desired to obtain through submission? Yes , he wanted to do his Fathers wi Not his .... own ... So how can these “wills” be co- equal? Good question. He is is God like the Father, then why would they have different wills. One more proof that Christianity is not monotheistic if your doctrine is the Trinity. More like the Hindu religion Brahma, Vishu and Shiva.
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Post by commonman on Apr 14, 2018 10:03:19 GMT -5
Hmmm “Not my will, but Thine be done.” What was Jesus praying about ? Does God have a will that Jesus desired to obtain through submission? Yes , he wanted to do his Fathers wi Not his .... own ... So how can these “wills” be co- equal? Good question. He is is God like the Father, then why would they have different wills. One more proof that Christianity is not monotheistic if your doctrine is the Trinity. More like the Hindu religion Brahma, Vishu and Shiva. many religions find it necessary to create “doctrines” in order to define their particular “tenants” , the trinity doctrine is one such doctrine, and as we know doctrines are VERY devisive in many ways , beginning with debates etc,. Until a rift breaks the union, and splinter doctrines develop Until people are so confused they don’t know what to believe, and they eventually take a side or step away for \a moment or two. Predestination, once saved, trans substantiation, infant baptism, trinity, etc, etc. We can find reasons to support or deny all of them, but in the end, is charity/love and kindness will be alone I like what Jesus said when he was asked “which is the greatest doctrine/commandment.” Good answer! Thanks.
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Post by snow on Apr 14, 2018 12:58:50 GMT -5
Good question. He is is God like the Father, then why would they have different wills. One more proof that Christianity is not monotheistic if your doctrine is the Trinity. More like the Hindu religion Brahma, Vishu and Shiva. many religions find it necessary to create “doctrines” in order to define their particular “tenants” , the trinity doctrine is one such doctrine, and as we know doctrines are VERY devisive in many ways , beginning with debates etc,. Until a rift breaks the union, and splinter doctrines develop Until people are so confused they don’t know what to believe, and they eventually take a side or step away for \a moment or two. Predestination, once saved, trans substantiation, infant baptism, trinity, etc, etc. We can find reasons to support or deny all of them, but in the end, is charity/love and kindness will be alone I like what Jesus said when he was asked “which is the greatest doctrine/commandment.” Good answer! Thanks. To love one another! That's my only doctrine. It makes sense when all the rest makes no sense to me at all.
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Post by Commonman on Apr 14, 2018 15:20:06 GMT -5
many religions find it necessary to create “doctrines” in order to define their particular “tenants” , the trinity doctrine is one such doctrine, and as we know doctrines are VERY devisive in many ways , beginning with debates etc,. Until a rift breaks the union, and splinter doctrines develop Until people are so confused they don’t know what to believe, and they eventually take a side or step away for \a moment or two. Predestination, once saved, trans substantiation, infant baptism, trinity, etc, etc. We can find reasons to support or deny all of them, but in the end, is charity/love and kindness will be alone I like what Jesus said when he was asked “which is the greatest doctrine/commandment.” Good answer! Thanks. To love one another! That's my only doctrine. It makes sense when all the rest makes no sense to me at all. Amen And to “put a name to any other doctrine” is, IMO, counter-Godly. Jesus “nailed” the core doctrine , with consolidating the 10 commandments into one . (not counting the 600 plus other laws) It takes away from the central theme of salvation . (Of each filling their special place)
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Post by Commonman on Apr 14, 2018 19:10:05 GMT -5
Quote: “Strive not to be a man of success, but a man of value..”
(Mission accomplished)
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Post by Commonman on Apr 14, 2018 19:31:46 GMT -5
Quote: “Strive not to be a man of success, but a man of value..” (Mission accomplished) i thought this was a quote from King Solomon, but found that it is credited to another wise Israeli, Albert E. 🌀
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Post by friend on Apr 24, 2018 21:41:30 GMT -5
I like this :
G-D doesn’t exist in the form we want Him to be of.
(in other words, we cannot make G-D in our image, ) He is who He is , and He created us after His likeness.
Hmmm , jmt
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Post by snow on Apr 25, 2018 16:52:55 GMT -5
I like this : G-D doesn’t exist in the form we want Him to be of. (in other words, we cannot make G-D in our image, ) He is who He is , and He created us after His likeness. Hmmm , jmt How then do you explain the many thousands of Gods man has created?
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Post by friend on Apr 25, 2018 19:26:06 GMT -5
I like this : G-D doesn’t exist in the form we want Him to be of. (in other words, we cannot make G-D in our image, ) He is who He is , and He created us after His likeness. Hmmm , jmt How then do you explain the many thousands of Gods man has created? would you like the short or long version? 😉 ( can we agree that there is only one version that G-D was involved with?) ....G-D is the Hebrew Creator , It is unpronounceable name, consistent with the Hebrew commandment Concerning His name (not to use it in vain, etc. ) As soon as Noah disembarked from the ark, some of Noah’s descendants when “god-crazy”, and not the Hebrew God that the Bible speaks on. It goes from one to many many gods in matter of a few centuries
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Post by friend on Apr 25, 2018 19:28:57 GMT -5
The Hebrew even made a god out of a “gold calf” when they were wandering back to the promised land
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Post by snow on Apr 26, 2018 11:35:01 GMT -5
How then do you explain the many thousands of Gods man has created? would you like the short or long version? 😉 ( can we agree that there is only one version that G-D was involved with?) ....G-D is the Hebrew Creator , It is unpronounceable name, consistent with the Hebrew commandment Concerning His name (not to use it in vain, etc. ) As soon as Noah disembarked from the ark, some of Noah’s descendants when “god-crazy”, and not the Hebrew God that the Bible speaks on. It goes from one to many many gods in matter of a few centuries Since there were gods before the Hebrew god ever existed, no, I can't agree there is only one version of 'god'.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 26, 2018 17:12:02 GMT -5
How then do you explain the many thousands of Gods man has created? would you like the short or long version? 😉 ( can we agree that there is only one version that G-D was involved with?) ....G-D is the Hebrew Creator , It is unpronounceable name, consistent with the Hebrew commandment Concerning His name (not to use it in vain, etc. ) As soon as Noah disembarked from the ark, some of Noah’s descendants when “god-crazy”, and not the Hebrew God that the Bible speaks on. It goes from one to many many gods in matter of a few centuries No, we CANNOT agree that there is only "one version god and that HE is the Hebrew Creator." The only reason that the Western world tends to believe that is because our own history comes which comes from that area of the world.
Other areas of the world unknown to us at that time also had their GOD
Mesoamerica, for one.
Asian for another.
You only believe what you do because you haven't gone any further than your own back yard.
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Post by friend on Apr 26, 2018 17:32:18 GMT -5
would you like the short or long version? 😉 ( can we agree that there is only one version that G-D was involved with?) ....G-D is the Hebrew Creator , It is unpronounceable name, consistent with the Hebrew commandment Concerning His name (not to use it in vain, etc. ) As soon as Noah disembarked from the ark, some of Noah’s descendants when “god-crazy”, and not the Hebrew God that the Bible speaks on. It goes from one to many many gods in matter of a few centuries No, we CANNOT agree that there is only "one version god and that HE is the Hebrew Creator." The only reason that the Western world tends to believe that is because our own history comes which comes from that area of the world.
Other areas of the world unknown to us at that time also had their GOD
Mesoamerica, for one.
Asian for another.
You only believe what you do because you haven't gone any further than your own back yard.
aye, G-D is in everyone’s back yard, He isn’t prejudice against His creation. 👀....... just cause He might not be who you think He is , doesn’t prove you are correct There are 599,000 kindegarden teachers, I can’t remember mine, so I would still eliminate 598,999 teachers, because I Believe only one of them taught/began my schooling! 😉 In my opinion.
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Post by friend on Apr 26, 2018 17:37:31 GMT -5
would you like the short or long version? 😉 ( can we agree that there is only one version that G-D was involved with?) ....G-D is the Hebrew Creator , It is unpronounceable name, consistent with the Hebrew commandment Concerning His name (not to use it in vain, etc. ) As soon as Noah disembarked from the ark, some of Noah’s descendants when “god-crazy”, and not the Hebrew God that the Bible speaks on. It goes from one to many many gods in matter of a few centuries Since there were gods before the Hebrew god ever existed, no, I can't agree there is only one version of 'god'. hmmm, welll, don’t let the facts get in the way of the many many myths that went out into the world after the deluge! 🙂
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 26, 2018 22:29:54 GMT -5
No, we CANNOT agree that there is only "one version god and that HE is the Hebrew Creator." The only reason that the Western world tends to believe that is because our own history comes which comes from that area of the world.
Other areas of the world unknown to us at that time also had their GODMesoamerica, for one.
Asian for another.
You only believe what you do because you haven't gone any further than your own back yard.
aye, G-D is in everyone’s back yard, He isn’t prejudice against His creation. 👀....... just cause He might not be who you think He is , doesn’t prove you are correct There are 599,000 kindegarden teachers, I can’t remember mine, so I would still eliminate 598,999 teachers, because I Believe only one of them taught/began my schooling! 😉 In my opinion. In my opinion that is a lousy comparison.( kindergarten teachers/gods)
So, are you saying that it is also possible for the other gods of other cultures, such as Asian, -Mesoamerica, - are all just as good and equal to your Hebrew God?
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Post by friend on Apr 27, 2018 0:10:58 GMT -5
aye, G-D is in everyone’s back yard, He isn’t prejudice against His creation. 👀....... just cause He might not be who you think He is , doesn’t prove you are correct There are 599,000 kindegarden teachers, I can’t remember mine, so I would still eliminate 598,999 teachers, because I Believe only one of them taught/began my schooling! 😉 In my opinion. In my opinion that is a lousy comparison.( kindergarten teachers/gods)
So, are you saying that it is also possible for the other gods of other cultures, such as Asian, -Mesoamerica, - are all just as good and equal to your Hebrew God?
those numbers are just numbers, they don’t prove who is “my teacher or not” your point that there are other “beliefs/ ?? “ is , very pointless, unless you agree that every human can agree that one Creator is sufficient for our Creation! 🙂
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Post by snow on Apr 27, 2018 12:17:20 GMT -5
Since there were gods before the Hebrew god ever existed, no, I can't agree there is only one version of 'god'. hmmm, welll, don’t let the facts get in the way of the many many myths that went out into the world after the deluge! 🙂 The deluge is a myth too.
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Post by friend on Apr 27, 2018 14:39:01 GMT -5
hmmm, welll, don’t let the facts get in the way of the many many myths that went out into the world after the deluge! 🙂 The deluge is a myth too. But here is the catch-22... the the only logical authors of myths were atheists, hmmm, 🤯🤥, or some very confused humanist? how is a real believer , bamboozled into writing about something he doesn’t really believe happened? It’s absurd, and yet there is evidence that human life isn’t the highest ideal, truth IS . 🙂
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Post by friend on May 9, 2018 8:46:35 GMT -5
The deluge is a myth too. But here is the catch-22... the the only logical authors of myths were atheists, hmmm, 🤯🤥, or some very confused humanist? how is a real believer , bamboozled into writing about something he doesn’t really believe happened? It’s absurd, and yet there is evidence that human life isn’t the highest ideal, truth IS . 🙂 Nevertheless. the Hebrew Bible was written by Believers! , I realize this revelation comes as a shock to those that think the authors of Bible didn’t know that what they were writing was history based on real evidence. 👀mmm. Surprize. !!
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Post by Ed on Jan 13, 2023 8:31:26 GMT -5
Are you all sure that this is a forum for the saints of the most High? It honestly doesn't appear to be that to me. I see all sorts of opinions here, but the opinions negate the Living God and exalt self. I shall never delve into such a forum as this again. It does not feed my spirit at all. I shall stick with our meetings. Jesus prayed to his Father that they may all be one. There is no oneness with God, the Son of God, or with the people of God in this forum. That devine fellowship is not recognized in this forum. May all here humble themselves and seek the counsel of the One Who says, "I AM". He certainly IS. Just as sure as it takes two eyes to make a pair. I can guarantee you. He has made Himself known to this man beyond a shadow of doubt. Therein lies my hope of eternal life. He is no liar. Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened unto you.Put your trust in Him and not in yourselves. Ironically, you would boast of how Real you are, but it is God who is Living and True. Man is but ashes and dust.So let us not think too highly of ourselves, for He is the Most High.What is man that God should be mindful of him? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So count yourselves fortunate that the LORD even gives us any consideration at all.Therein lies the blessing.0
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Post by intelchips on Jan 13, 2023 10:40:46 GMT -5
Are you all sure that this is a forum for the saints of the most High? It honestly doesn't appear to be that to me. I see all sorts of opinions here, but the opinions negate the Living God and exalt self. I shall never delve into such a forum as this again. It does not feed my spirit at all. I shall stick with our meetings. Jesus prayed to his Father that they may all be one. There is no oneness with God, the Son of God, or with the people of God in this forum. That devine fellowship is not recognized in this forum. May all here humble themselves and seek the counsel of the One Who says, "I AM". He certainly IS. Just as sure as it takes two eyes to make a pair. I can guarantee you. He has made Himself known to this man beyond a shadow of doubt. Therein lies my hope of eternal life. He is no liar. Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened unto you.Put your trust in Him and not in yourselves. Ironically, you would boast of how Real you are, but it is God who is Living and True. Man is but ashes and dust.So let us not think too highly of ourselves, for He is the Most High.What is man that God should be mindful of him? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So count yourselves fortunate that the LORD even gives us any consideration at all.Therein lies the blessing.0 Ed, I could ask you why one needs to feed a non-existing part of themselves, but I'll instead give you something else to ponder on which such as a well-read Bible person as you should recognize right away. Why is Jesus the Christ? Because He’s dead and forsaken on the cross.by God and all his followers. If you can’t even call Jesus good, then you're certainly not going to call him God Peter’s confession of Jesus as the Christ is a false confession inspired by Satan. The Gospel of Mark is forgotten. What do you mean by forgotten it’s right there in the New Testament, nobody has forgotten it. People start reading the New Testament and they begin with Matthew then they come to Mark and think, I’ve already read this, this is just a cut down version of Matthew. Perhaps they think this is a precise or a summary and then go on to Luke and think oh, a lot newer stuff here and then John, this is the main spiritual Gospel. People quote Matthew and Luke but when was the last time you heard anyone quote Mark, if ever? I do not write this frivolously nor to be casting doubt on anyone's beliefs, but I do wonder if any logical thinking members of this forum might see what I see in Mark? When one reads Mark except for the first line (that was not written by the author) you don’t even know who Jesus is. Whoever he was, it was some fellow that came from Nazareth to be baptized by John the Baptist. And then you come to the end and some of you will think, who would end a Gospel with women finding an empty tomb and running away in fear and telling no one? Over the years three pious Christian scribes did try to add different endings but we know now about their tinkering with the ending. Thus, Mark is a problem for the believer no wonder no one quotes from it, because most can’t understand how it fits into the main narrative. Now I’ll tell you I’m just glossing over Mark but there is much more that makes it a problem such as all the details about Jesus saying very weird things: Like his answer to why he speaks in parables because he doesn’t want anyone to understand and be converted. Now if that's not strange then you really have drunk too much of the Kool aid already and you’re lost beyond saving. I could give more detail but if the reader hasn't grasped my point by now, I doubt more words will fix it.
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Post by rudyw on Jan 14, 2023 0:47:30 GMT -5
Quote: I think the "higher power" of A.A. is an important part of the search. When someone turns themselves over to this higher power for guidance, they find the strength to conquer that which they are not otherwise able. Addiction, in other words. There is a whole lot more that can be said here, but for now: 6. God's power comes from belief in him and reliance upon him, though in A.A.'s experience it make no difference how we imagine him so long as he is stronger than us. He must be a "higher power". AA. -Alcoholics Anonymous -has no better statistics in helping alcoholics to stop drinking than other treatment methods.
That is because alcoholism, as well as other types of additions, are NOT moral problems as has been portrayed in the past. Addictions are caused by a physical problem.
Claiming that they are caused by moral weaknesses is an injustice to the person suffering from the addiction. I know that alcoholism is often caused by physiology. But, to say that it’s all caused by physical problems isn’t true. A lot of alcoholic behavior is caused because the alcoholic is attempting to numb emotional & mental pain. Intoxication is also used to numb guilt. It’s not necessarily a ‘physical’ problem.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 14, 2023 0:50:30 GMT -5
AA. -Alcoholics Anonymous -has no better statistics in helping alcoholics to stop drinking than other treatment methods.
That is because alcoholism, as well as other types of additions, are NOT moral problems as has been portrayed in the past. Addictions are caused by a physical problem.
Claiming that they are caused by moral weaknesses is an injustice to the person suffering from the addiction. I know that alcoholism is often caused by physiology. But, to say that it’s all caused by physical problems isn’t true. A lot of alcoholic behavior is caused because the alcoholic is attempting to numb emotional & mental pain. Intoxication is also used to numb guilt. It’s not necessarily a ‘physical’ problem. The same could be said for religion,the most dangerous and addictive opiod there is.
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