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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 20:50:27 GMT -5
A mother of a young worker mentioned at a family gathering that BB prefers his workers to stay off of social media. He is OK with the friends on facebook but not his workers. Some workers have facebook accounts in other places. I am not sure if all workers follow his gentle guidelines or not. Workers on the west coast will display convention photos on facebook.
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Post by xna on Nov 10, 2015 20:51:54 GMT -5
A mother of a young worker mentioned at a family gathering that BB prefers his workers to stay off of social media. He is OK with the friends on facebook but not his workers. Some workers have facebook accounts in other places. I am not sure if all workers follow his gentle guidelines or not. Workers on the west coast will display convention photos on facebook. Too late
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Post by blandie on Nov 11, 2015 1:09:58 GMT -5
Seems likely so to me too. There have been past crackdowns on information going out and coming in but they seem to get less and less success and at some point there will get to be such a decline that the old tool of excommunicating groups to enforce and put the fear into the remaining can't be used due to too few open homes and workers and rank and file friends and if whats been related here over the last years it maybe that in some parts of eastern n. america thats already the case.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 16:55:59 GMT -5
Seems likely so to me too. There have been past crackdowns on information going out and coming in but they seem to get less and less success and at some point there will get to be such a decline that the old tool of excommunicating groups to enforce and put the fear into the remaining can't be used due to too few open homes and workers and rank and file friends and if whats been related here over the last years it maybe that in some parts of eastern n. america thats already the case. You are absolutely correct. All those mass excommunications were a terribly thought out strategy. All the workers involved in that should have been fired. The reason is that by excommunicating instead of just compromising a bit to the very modest demands, they have created a massive number of ex-2x2s who are not pleased with 2x2ism. So displeased that they are now willing to air dirty laundry, file lawsuits, file criminal charges, write books, and a host of other things. It used to be that there were very few ex-2x2s, so they could be disregarded as cranks. But now there are probably more ex-2x2s than 2x2s, which is not at all good for trying to maintain a closed system of information of 2x2ism. Having about a 50% decline in 2x2 population makes finding new workers almost impossible. And it shows - the worker population is heavily skewed to grey hair. And the biggest reason those excommunicating worker should be fired, is that they have just removed massive amount of potential will bequeaths from the Kingdom's cash flow. For many years, 2x2ism generated far more cash that it's expenses, but now that has been reversed. They are burning into their cash stockpile....which does not bode well for all those trustees who were not honest and diligent with the money they were entrusted with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 9:39:55 GMT -5
The workers limit their effectiveness by avoiding such venues IMHO.
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Post by Tim Jones 'kyblue' on Nov 25, 2015 23:09:54 GMT -5
Simpleton, some of the things you mentioned the exes have been willing to do, has been the case for a very long time. A thesis was written about the 2x2s in the 60s, the Secret Sect in the 80s, and since then it has snowballed. (For that matter, from the start there were articles and pamplets written about the 2x2s.) There might be a 50% decline by now, but the damage has been done. The end game is what needs to be considered. The current end game seems to be managing the decline. But, workers have not been known to be good managers of this decline. What took about 60-80 years to build from nothing has been reduced to a near carcass in 35-45 years.
Do those that profess see the decline? I'm curious to know if it's seen beyond the casual 'there used to be so many people in this or that meeting'.
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Post by fixit on Nov 26, 2015 1:54:13 GMT -5
Do those that profess see the decline? I'm curious to know if it's seen beyond the casual 'there used to be so many people in this or that meeting'. Of course we see the decline, but workers in my experience have shown no interest in discussing what can be done about it. Typically they become defensive very quickly, so I back off. Those who could make changes won't, and the rest can't (even if they wanted to).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 3:00:02 GMT -5
Do those that profess see the decline? I'm curious to know if it's seen beyond the casual 'there used to be so many people in this or that meeting'. Of course we see the decline, but workers in my experience have shown no interest in discussing what can be done about it. Typically they become defensive very quickly, so I back off. Those who could make changes won't, and the rest can't (even if they wanted to). why does it need to be discussed it is Gods work not theirs?
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Post by fred on Nov 26, 2015 3:38:06 GMT -5
Of course we see the decline, but workers in my experience have shown no interest in discussing what can be done about it. Typically they become defensive very quickly, so I back off. Those who could make changes won't, and the rest can't (even if they wanted to). why does it need to be discussed it is Gods work not theirs? Spot on virgo, you have nailed the problem.
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Post by jondough on Nov 26, 2015 11:24:11 GMT -5
LIttle quiz;
How does God reveal himself?
Correct! "Thru his people"
So then.....We must decrease, so that he can increase. So is there anyone here than thinks we have already decreased enough? Its a constant work. So I hope we never get to the point where we think we need no change. Never get to the pont where we think its God's job to do the changing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 22:19:46 GMT -5
why does it need to be discussed it is Gods work not theirs? Spot on virgo, you have nailed the problem. what problem? i don't see any problem
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 22:20:52 GMT -5
why does it need to be discussed it is Gods work not theirs? Exactly - so God just moves on and works through men and woman who want to energetically reach out to others - people who want to communicate the message of Jesus through whatever means they can. God doesn't generally hang around people who think they have the only right way and that nothing should be changed. has to be according to His will
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 22:33:55 GMT -5
LIttle quiz; How does God reveal himself? Correct! "Thru his people" So then.....We must decrease, so that he can increase. So is there anyone here than thinks we have already decreased enough? Its a constant work. So I hope we never get to the point where we think we need no change. Never get to the pont where we think its God's job to do the changing. do we know how to get to the place God is offering us? by His Spirit He is changing us all the time, by His Spirit He is showing the way do we think that we can know what needs to be changed to fit in with His will? unless the Spirit is showing us? i know what you mean but the place He is offering us we really have very little knowledge about, we cannot with our basic mind have a clue as to the purity of Gods Kingdom, we cannot with our basic mind have a clue as to His thoughts, thus those verses in Isaiah but we can change what He prompts us to change it all has to happen with His Spirit and power working in our lives
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 23:44:57 GMT -5
has to be according to His will Gods will is that people would repent and turn to Christ and put their trust in Him. it would seem that way
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Post by fred on Nov 27, 2015 0:13:45 GMT -5
Spot on virgo, you have nailed the problem. what problem? i don't see any problem That's the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 0:41:05 GMT -5
what problem? i don't see any problem That's the problem. must be nice to a problem others don't see
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 27, 2015 1:11:24 GMT -5
must be nice to a problem others don't see You mean a problem, they don't want to see @virgo !
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Post by withlove on Nov 28, 2015 1:35:06 GMT -5
Simpleton, some of the things you mentioned the exes have been willing to do, has been the case for a very long time. A thesis was written about the 2x2s in the 60s, the Secret Sect in the 80s, and since then it has snowballed. (For that matter, from the start there were articles and pamplets written about the 2x2s.) There might be a 50% decline by now, but the damage has been done. The end game is what needs to be considered. The current end game seems to be managing the decline. But, workers have not been known to be good managers of this decline. What took about 60-80 years to build from nothing has been reduced to a near carcass in 35-45 years. Do those that profess see the decline? I'm curious to know if it's seen beyond the casual 'there used to be so many people in this or that meeting'. It is almost comforting for some of them I think because they think it fulfills the great falling away prophecy...so heaven is very near. I think every exclusive religious group has a reinforcing idea like that...when someone leaves, or a whole lot of someones leave, it just reaffirms for the insiders a teaching about how some will lose out...how they lost their salt or love or faith or that they never had it to begin with or that they had evil intentions or were only there to test the church. It's pretty effective built-in thought-stopping. There must be something wrong with the individual and not the group. The bible said people would leave, so if they do, then the church must be biblical. No matter what the rates of decline in other sects are like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 20:48:33 GMT -5
Could social media cause a worker to covet the friend's life and want to leave? Of course doing housework, yardwork, and paying bills isn't that cool either!
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Post by Tim Jones 'kyblue' on Nov 29, 2015 22:17:54 GMT -5
Could social media cause a worker to covet the friend's life and want to leave? Of course doing housework, yardwork, and paying bills isn't that cool either! I think so. But, if they have those desires, they probably are not long for being a worker anyway. Being so immersed in what it takes to being a worker, sometimes they have to seek that 'out', just like those of us who left had enough.
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Post by xna on Nov 30, 2015 7:46:13 GMT -5
Could social media cause a worker to covet the friend's life and want to leave? Of course doing housework, yardwork, and paying bills isn't that cool either! Social media caused Megan Phelps-Roper to change her mind on religion and leave the Westboro Baptists Church. So there is hope for reason to prevail. Phelps-Roper said a Jewish man on Twitter was the first person to plant the seed of doubt in her mind, after pointing out that a member of the church had had a child out of wedlock.
He said having a child out of wedlock was also a sin worthy of death, she recalled. “If she had been killed – if you kill someone as soon as they sin, you completely cut off the opportunity to repeat and be forgiven, which is a major foundation of Christian theology. This is what we were preaching, repent or perish.” www.rawstory.com/2015/07/former-member-of-god-hates-fgs-church-we-ignored-our-own-moral-impulses-to-follow-the-bible/
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 21:49:49 GMT -5
Some will stay off of the social media while other workers in the NE will do their own thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 17:11:58 GMT -5
More and more workers are going to google plus. I think the personal message thing on facebook makes some uneasy. Some so called bitter exes might use that feature to unload on the errors of the fellowship.
In Kansas, some workers make some remarks at a funeral that upset someone and they contacted one of the workers facebook accounts. Of course, the worker didn't respond back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 19:27:20 GMT -5
Perhaps "Review005" experience here, stating his real beliefs and exposing his hypocrisy by his real persona, motivates such workers as mentioned in the OP to attempt to cause others not to use such forums. It has opened the understanding of some, and that cannot be allowed to continue, as there simply is no antidote for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 18:22:31 GMT -5
I haven't heard from Rev. 005 lately. I guess he was on here more when he was in the states and provinces.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 19:43:00 GMT -5
I haven't heard from Rev. 005 lately. I guess he was on here more when he was in the states and provinces. actually he is more active when home than when abroad
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Post by sunshine on Dec 20, 2015 2:47:16 GMT -5
Simpleton, some of the things you mentioned the exes have been willing to do, has been the case for a very long time. A thesis was written about the 2x2s in the 60s, the Secret Sect in the 80s, and since then it has snowballed. (For that matter, from the start there were articles and pamplets written about the 2x2s.) There might be a 50% decline by now, but the damage has been done. The end game is what needs to be considered. The current end game seems to be managing the decline. But, workers have not been known to be good managers of this decline. What took about 60-80 years to build from nothing has been reduced to a near carcass in 35-45 years. Do those that profess see the decline? I'm curious to know if it's seen beyond the casual 'there used to be so many people in this or that meeting'. I haven't actually noticed any decline in the last 30 years, and have lived in several different states...in fact, I seem to notice way more young people at conventions than ever..
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 20, 2015 5:31:29 GMT -5
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