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Post by snow on May 25, 2015 13:33:03 GMT -5
Which if someone did that today what do you think the reaction would be? Jesus was viewed the same by his fellow Jews in his day as someone claiming what he claimed would be viewed by most Christians today. He might find a few followers today like Jesus did in his day, but mostly people would not believe him and think what he said was blasphemy. Paul is really the one that got Christianity going in the direction we see it today. Jesus had no desire to create the religion of Christianity but to reform his fellow Jews.
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Post by snow on May 25, 2015 13:53:00 GMT -5
Nathan, the first question meant this: What do you think people would do if Christ came today and tried to tell them he was the only way, and to follow him? I would imagine the reaction would be the same to that person today as it was to Jesus when he came and made that same claim.
Why should the Jews believe Jesus was telling the truth? If he came today and you were a Jew, would you believe he was telling the truth?
Paul 'claimed' to have seen Jesus but we only have his word for it and I doubt if that particular thing happened today that anyone would believe him either. Well if the Catholic Church was the Rock that Peter was supposed to build his church on, why are there so many other Christian denominations claiming the RCC to be wrong?
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Post by Greg on May 25, 2015 14:13:41 GMT -5
This is a bad poll. Delete the thread.
"Yes, I do believe the remnant of Jesus Chruch exist through the century." What is this suppose to mean? "No, I believe Jesus New Testament Church believers died out by the end of the fist century." Do you mean by 100A.D.?
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Post by Greg on May 25, 2015 14:22:56 GMT -5
This is a bad poll. Delete the thread. If it a bad poll and thread then don't reply or read it. Simple.Nothing complicated about not liking the poll and stating it should be deleted.
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Post by Mary on May 25, 2015 14:42:43 GMT -5
I do not believe it is a remnant church. I believe His church exists today. It would have been better to say do you believe His church exists today.
The workers church - started by Willam Irvine - church number 32,159.
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Post by fixit on May 25, 2015 15:06:18 GMT -5
This is a bad poll. Delete the thread. "Yes, I do believe the remnant of Jesus Chruch exist through the century." What is this suppose to mean? "No, I believe Jesus New Testament Church believers died out by the end of the fist century." Do you mean by 100A.D.? Yes, it's a bad poll. It's not worded clearly. You could have a remnant of believers without any sign of a physical fellowship or "church".
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Post by Greg on May 25, 2015 15:07:08 GMT -5
I do not believe it is a remnant church. I believe His church exists today. It would have been better to say do you believe His church exists today. The workers church - started by Willam Irvine - church number 32,159. Is the 2x2 church 32,159 numbers in our own country or world wide?If the workers' church is number 32,159, then the 2x2 church would be a higher number.
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Post by Greg on May 25, 2015 15:18:32 GMT -5
This is a bad poll. Delete the thread. ~~ NOPE!"Yes, I do believe the remnant of Jesus Chruch exist through the century." What is this suppose to mean? ~~ It means Jesus 1st century New Testament church/assembly of believers continue in every generation until now. "No, I believe Jesus New Testament Church believers died out by the end of the fist century." Do you mean by 100A.D.? ~~ Yep! That is what I meant.I thank you for the clarifying reply.
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Post by Mary on May 26, 2015 0:03:40 GMT -5
It is church number 32,159 out of the 40,000 denominations that Nathan said there are. Nothing to do with the number of people in meetings. In other words they are just another denomination. I should have realized that people can't read my mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 1:44:17 GMT -5
I do not believe it is a remnant church. I believe His church exists today. It would have been better to say do you believe His church exists today. The workers church - started by Willam Irvine - church number 32,159. well if none exist then they are none of His period, so what is the point of church?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 3:53:30 GMT -5
well if none exist then they are none of His period, so what is the point of church? It seems when Jesus returns His true Church/Bride exist from 4 corners of the earth to be gathered up in the sky and changed with resurrection bodies to reign 1000 yrs on the earth with Him. (Matthew 24:29-31; Jude 14; Rev.20:1-7)so there must be a remnant
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Post by bubbles on May 26, 2015 9:58:06 GMT -5
This is a bad poll. Delete the thread. "Yes, I do believe the remnant of Jesus Chruch exist through the century." What is this suppose to mean? "No, I believe Jesus New Testament Church believers died out by the end of the fist century." Do you mean by 100A.D.? Yes, it's a bad poll. It's not worded clearly. You could have a remnant of believers without any sign of a physical fellowship or "church". Good on you fixit. That last sentence is my opinion. FWI worth im not concerned with remnant. The body of christ is spread I doubt any man could accurately number them. Simply because they just dont know. Statistics in this case are unreliable.
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Post by fixit on May 26, 2015 14:56:14 GMT -5
Yes, it's a bad poll. It's not worded clearly. You could have a remnant of believers without any sign of a physical fellowship or "church". Good on you fixit. That last sentence is my opinion. FWI worth im not concerned with remnant. The body of christ is spread I doubt any man could accurately number them. Simply because they just dont know. Statistics in this case are unreliable. The following passage helps me to understand that God sees the big picture but I don't... Like Elijah, I only see works. God sees grace.
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Post by maryhig on May 26, 2015 16:14:20 GMT -5
Good on you fixit. That last sentence is my opinion. FWI worth im not concerned with remnant. The body of christ is spread I doubt any man could accurately number them. Simply because they just dont know. Statistics in this case are unreliable. The following passage helps me to understand that God sees the big picture but I don't... Like Elijah, I only see works. God sees grace. Yes and God sees people completely differently than we do, our flesh judges with the eyes, God judges the heart! Gods people are everywhere as you said, God had 7000 men ready that Elijah couldn't see, we don't know all that belong to God, we can't see people's hearts, but we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 26, 2015 19:19:01 GMT -5
The following passage helps me to understand that God sees the big picture but I don't... Like Elijah, I only see works. God sees grace. Yes and God sees people completely differently than we do, our flesh judges with the eyes, God judges the heart! Gods people are everywhere as you said, God had 7000 men ready that Elijah couldn't see, we don't know all that belong to God, we can't see people's hearts, but we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live! What is it that we will we see when we see, "we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live?
What are those attributes?
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Post by bubbles on May 26, 2015 23:03:24 GMT -5
Yes and God sees people completely differently than we do, our flesh judges with the eyes, God judges the heart! Gods people are everywhere as you said, God had 7000 men ready that Elijah couldn't see, we don't know all that belong to God, we can't see people's hearts, but we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live! What is it that we will we see when we see, "we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live?
What are those attributes?
When a persons heart is changed there is evidence. We call it the fruit of repentance. Eg: An angry gang member changed into a loving caring human being. Not all people are ex gang members. Usually there is a softening of the heart when someone is bornagain. Change happens because the person is ready for the change. We repent for sins we are convicted of. With repentance comes the help of the holy spirit. The outworking of repentance that produces the good fruit.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 23:09:31 GMT -5
Yes and God sees people completely differently than we do, our flesh judges with the eyes, God judges the heart! Gods people are everywhere as you said, God had 7000 men ready that Elijah couldn't see, we don't know all that belong to God, we can't see people's hearts, but we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live! What is it that we will we see when we see, "we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live?
What are those attributes?
some of it is as follows:
Gal_5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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Post by maryhig on May 27, 2015 0:58:27 GMT -5
Yes and God sees people completely differently than we do, our flesh judges with the eyes, God judges the heart! Gods people are everywhere as you said, God had 7000 men ready that Elijah couldn't see, we don't know all that belong to God, we can't see people's hearts, but we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live! What is it that we will we see when we see, "we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live?
What are those attributes?
I can't answer that any better than @wally and bubbles have already answered! That's exactly it!
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Post by BobWilliston on May 27, 2015 1:02:49 GMT -5
This is a bad poll. Delete the thread. If it a bad poll and thread then don't reply or read it. Simple.How is one supposed to know it's a bad poll if one doesn't read it???
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Post by dmmichgood on May 27, 2015 4:38:03 GMT -5
What is it that we will we see when we see, "we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live?
What are those attributes?
I can't answer that any better than @wally and bubbles have already answered! That's exactly it! Surely amongst all your answers you have something!
Think of it this way,- Pretend that I am a stranger to the earth.
I came from somewhere out in space. I come from a different world than yours. I don't understand your customs & this "god" you talk about and really want to know what to look for when I look at how your people live.
I truly want to understand what you mean when you say "we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live!"
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Post by maryhig on May 27, 2015 4:46:42 GMT -5
I can't answer that any better than @wally and bubbles have already answered! That's exactly it! Surely amongst all your answers you have something!
Think of it this way,- Pretend that I am a stranger to the earth.
I came from somewhere out in space. I come from a different world than yours. I don't understand your customs & this "god" you talk about and really want to know what to look for when I look at how your people live.
I truly want to understand what you mean when you say "we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live!"
I will answer you later, I'm finding it hard to get a signal I'm on my way to Liverpool with my kids, but bubbles and wally have basically covered it!.
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Post by bubbles on May 27, 2015 6:49:48 GMT -5
D..as we grow spiritually. Our spirit begins to witness with things. You would poss8bly call it common sense. Without sounding like a super spiro. Our spirit witness with their spirit or not. If I am talking to a stranger I wouldnt preach to them. If they ask me why the room is flooded with peace that pours out of my body and how do I do that. Which has happened. I am then able to tell them I wouldnt have a clue but I do love christ. in real life I try to be compassionate caring loving and funny. I try not to be judgemental. When it comes to my brothers and sisters in christ. They can say all the right things but ive learned to listen to my spirit. Sometimes I will get a negative sense this person is not who they claim to be. It might take time but as I wait bad fruit will be revealed. This is how scripture talks about good and bad fruit..sooner or later both ripen. As people seek to love and serve the lord usually change is positive. Marked change. Sometimes more quickly than others. Now D you did ask.
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Post by What Hat on May 27, 2015 10:44:52 GMT -5
How many of the remnant are working as prostitutes? Zero or more?
How many are atheists? Zero or more?
Just a question to see what people think, and more importantly, why they think what they do.
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Post by snow on May 27, 2015 10:49:37 GMT -5
What is it that we will we see when we see, "we can see God by their lives, if Christ alive in their hearts, the spirit of God will be working within them, and it will be made manifest by the way they live?
What are those attributes?
some of it is as follows:
Gal_5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
In your opinion, why do atheists show these qualities?
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Post by bubbles on May 27, 2015 12:00:12 GMT -5
some of it is as follows:
Gal_5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
In your opinion, why do atheists show these qualities? They have some good charactor traits.
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Post by snow on May 27, 2015 12:03:46 GMT -5
In your opinion, why do atheists show these qualities? They have some good charactor traits. Then what's the difference between atheists with good 'character traits' and theists that have these same qualities?
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Post by bubbles on May 27, 2015 12:17:26 GMT -5
They have some good charactor traits. Then what's the difference between atheists with good 'character traits' and theists that have these same qualities? Thought you might ask that. In the OT there is quite a bit about character flaws. Followers of christ are given tools to be overcomers of those. No one is perfect. This is a way of showing people how to live in harmony peace love. Then you might ask why does one need religion to do that. My question is is our conscience enough? To cause us to want to change? It is something thst christians are challenged with frequently. Maybe buddist too. Does it make one group of people better than the other? Only if there is results. No matter how hard some try change never happens. Christians have help. The holy spirit. Who helps an atheist? Themselves. Is it enough? Are there good and bad atheists? Yep. Btw I doubt pedophiles rapists women beaters serial killers are christian. Because there is no good fruit.
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Post by snow on May 27, 2015 13:32:32 GMT -5
Then what's the difference between atheists with good 'character traits' and theists that have these same qualities? Thought you might ask that. In the OT there is quite a bit about character flaws. Followers of christ are given tools to be overcomers of those. No one is perfect. This is a way of showing people how to live in harmony peace love. Then you might ask why does one need religion to do that. My question is is our conscience enough? To cause us to want to change? It is something thst christians are challenged with frequently. Maybe buddist too. Does it make one group of people better than the other? Only if there is results. No matter how hard some try change never happens. Christians have help. The holy spirit. Who helps an atheist? Themselves. Is it enough? Are there good and bad atheists? Yep. Btw I doubt pedophiles rapists women beaters serial killers are christian. Because there is no good fruit. Bottom line is that there are good and bad people regardless of their belief or non believe. Yes, a conscience is enough as that is what I use and I don't think I'm a really bad person. Maybe I'm delusional about that but whatever. I would also go as far as to say that is what all people use, their conscience. The difference might be that those who think they can't do it by themselves find it easier when they think they are getting help from someone bigger and better than them. And, it does work for some people that don't trust themselves to be 'enough'. For me anything that helps us treat others better is useful. If it takes belief that God or the Holy Spirit is guiding them, then that is what works for them. That's how I see it anyway.
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