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Post by matisse on May 27, 2015 15:04:23 GMT -5
Then what's the difference between atheists with good 'character traits' and theists that have these same qualities? Thought you might ask that. In the OT there is quite a bit about character flaws. Followers of christ are given tools to be overcomers of those. No one is perfect. This is a way of showing people how to live in harmony peace love. Then you might ask why does one need religion to do that. My question is is our conscience enough? To cause us to want to change? It is something thst christians are challenged with frequently. Maybe buddist too. Does it make one group of people better than the other? Only if there is results. No matter how hard some try change never happens. Christians have help. The holy spirit. Who helps an atheist? Themselves. Is it enough? Are there good and bad atheists? Yep. Btw I doubt pedophiles rapists women beaters serial killers are christian. Because there is no good fruit. d If we were to send away all of the Christians at whom another Christian points a finger and declares that they are noT "true Christians"...no Christians would remain!
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Post by SharonArnold on May 27, 2015 15:21:37 GMT -5
Thought you might ask that. In the OT there is quite a bit about character flaws. Followers of christ are given tools to be overcomers of those. No one is perfect. This is a way of showing people how to live in harmony peace love. Then you might ask why does one need religion to do that. My question is is our conscience enough? To cause us to want to change? It is something thst christians are challenged with frequently. Maybe buddist too. Does it make one group of people better than the other? Only if there is results. No matter how hard some try change never happens. Christians have help. The holy spirit. Who helps an atheist? Themselves. Is it enough? Are there good and bad atheists? Yep. Btw I doubt pedophiles rapists women beaters serial killers are christian. Because there is no good fruit. d If we were to send away all of the Christians at whom another Christian points a finger and declares that they are noT "true Christians"...no Christians would remain! Now, this is probably true of pretty much every identifiable belief system. Definitely Islam. At least any with a built-in system of judgement. When the answers are nonsensical, perhaps we need better questions?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 16:02:23 GMT -5
some of it is as follows:
Gal_5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
In your opinion, why do atheists show these qualities? as I said in a different thread and you disagreed with me....they deny God but they are mimicking his ways anyway. there is no proof that religion(regardless of what religion) DIDN'T start morality atheist just picked it up along the way...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 16:04:00 GMT -5
They have some good charactor traits. Then what's the difference between atheists with good 'character traits' and theists that have these same qualities? one does it for God/Jesus/Holy Spirit one does not so its in vain...
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Post by matisse on May 27, 2015 16:10:45 GMT -5
Pedophiles etc are not deemed acceptable by any religion. Redeemable yes but acceptable behavior no by Christian or non Christian standards. The "effectivenness" of the "Holy Spirit" is pretty much assured if Christians can cherry pick the "success stories" and reject the "failures" as not being true Christians. What happened to "whosoever believeth in him..."? Does that not extend to the human who struggles with pedophilia, with bursts of violent rage...?
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Post by matisse on May 27, 2015 16:15:52 GMT -5
In your opinion, why do atheists show these qualities? as I said in a different thread and you disagreed with me....they deny God but they are mimicking his ways anyway. there is no proof that religion(regardless of what religion) DIDN'T start morality atheist just picked it up along the way... 8-) I think one could just as easily argue that Christianity just "picked it up along the way..." 8-)
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Post by Greg on May 27, 2015 17:29:22 GMT -5
So, is the topic now atheist in general or remnant atheists?
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Post by snow on May 27, 2015 18:03:03 GMT -5
In your opinion, why do atheists show these qualities? as I said in a different thread and you disagreed with me....they deny God but they are mimicking his ways anyway. there is no proof that religion(regardless of what religion) DIDN'T start morality atheist just picked it up along the way... Ah! Okay. Sorry for making you repeat yourself. I still disagree but that's okay.
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Post by snow on May 27, 2015 18:04:52 GMT -5
Then what's the difference between atheists with good 'character traits' and theists that have these same qualities? one does it for God/Jesus/Holy Spirit one does not so its in vain... I don't think doing any of those things could ever me done in vain if they make someone's day/life better? If they make the world a better place I think that has some value, don't you? After all it would also be "God's people' that would be benefiting from an atheist's kindness wouldn't it.
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Post by matisse on May 27, 2015 18:07:23 GMT -5
So, is the topic now atheist in general or remnant atheists? Still "the remnant" mentioned in the OP, with a side note about the human qualities that have been co-opted and claimed by Christians to only be available through their "Holy Spirit".
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Post by snow on May 27, 2015 18:14:21 GMT -5
So, is the topic now atheist in general or remnant atheists? What is a remnant atheist?
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Post by Greg on May 28, 2015 3:02:14 GMT -5
So, is the topic now atheist in general or remnant atheists? What is a remnant atheist? I don't know.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 28, 2015 23:40:07 GMT -5
D..as we grow spiritually. Our spirit begins to witness with things. You would poss8bly call it common sense.Without sounding like a super spiro. Our spirit witness with their spirit or not. If I am talking to a stranger I wouldnt preach to them. If they ask me why the room is flooded with peace that pours out of my body and how do I do that. Which has happened. I am then able to tell them I wouldnt have a clue but I do love christ. in real life I try to be compassionate caring loving and funny.
I try not to be judgemental.When it comes to my brothers and sisters in christ. They can say all the right things but ive learned to listen to my spirit. Sometimes I will get a negative sense this person is not who they claim to be. It might take time but as I wait bad fruit will be revealed. This is how scripture talks about good and bad fruit..sooner or later both ripen. As people seek to love and serve the lord usually change is positive. Marked change. Sometimes more quickly than others. Now D you did ask. Yes, I did ask. So, let's see what we have:
"witness with things." common sense "flooded with peace" "compassionate" "caring" "loving" "funny."
These are all good attributes. However, I have seen all these same attributes in people who were not Christian and didn't claim to love christ, in fact were atheists.
Now, "not to be judgmental "a negative sense this person is not who they claim to be. " "people seek to love and serve the lord usually change is positive."
We all have to make judgments about people to certain degree. It is natural and probably even a mechanism that evolved becasue we need to make certain judgements for the actual physical safety for ourselves & others. (as well as our mental heath at times) We learn to "read" body language, facial expressions.
We need to to make decisions, -flight or fight decisions
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Post by dmmichgood on May 28, 2015 23:45:40 GMT -5
How many of the remnant are working as prostitutes? Zero or more? How many are atheists? Zero or more? Just a question to see what people think, and more importantly, why they think what they do. Remnant? Remnant of what? Did I miss something?
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Post by What Hat on May 30, 2015 9:25:32 GMT -5
How many of the remnant are working as prostitutes? Zero or more? How many are atheists? Zero or more? Just a question to see what people think, and more importantly, why they think what they do. Remnant? Remnant of what? Did I miss something?
Perhaps, the original post? But it's a good question because for many people 'remnant' means the lucky few, mostly like themselves but not entirely, who are going to heaven. I have a different view but it's going to be a couple of days before I can type it out. I only have my smart phone right now.
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Post by hberry on May 30, 2015 10:11:59 GMT -5
What is a remnant atheist? I don't know. What is left if he or she encounters a live hand grenade? Ditto for remnant Christian, of course. (I know, I should be ashamed of myself.)
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 11:04:22 GMT -5
I agree with Nathan that there is a Remnant Church today. I think that the early church fell away, but that over the centuries God has raised up men and women to re-establish the truth on earth. The book of Revelation speaks of the Harlot, which I believe is the Roman Catholic Church, and her daughters which would be the Protestant denominations.
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