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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:49:39 GMT -5
Craig C is a VERY busy man. He is on many radio interviews, getting ready to produce the main feature movie of Valiant Thor: Stranger at the Pentagon. At least, he answered my email an unknown person out of the blue, which I really appreciate. I haven't buy any book from Dr. Stranges, most of Valiant Thor information I got it from the Internet. I watched Craig C. Valiant Thor short film for $5 and it was quite interesting. I left my Valiant Thor message board link for those who are interested. Amazing interesting 2014 Interview of Craig Campobasso, a movie producer/director how he came to meet Dr. Frank in 2001. Then the short feature film ET/Stranger at Pentagon was made... (21:27) 287 Victor one space ships monitoring earth people movement. Valiant gigantic star ship is 14 mile long, 7 miles wide. (27:21) ETs live interior of the planets. They can control their own temperature, keep them young/healthy. (39:35) Dr. Stranges friend August Robertson took pictures of Valiant Thor at Howard Menger's home in 1958. (55;00) VT told Frank, he had a brother who died, which he didn't know. Valiant Thor met Dr. Frank stranges parents. (49:00) VT can heal people. Craig heard VT voice on the phone. (53:00) 4 Vice commanders, Donn Thor's brother, Vice commander Thonn, Vice Commander Teel is the wife of Vice Commander Zann. Unia another created being from Melchizedek Order. (55:15) 10 yrs before Craig met Dr. Frank... he had contact with Vice Commander Teel, and elderly couple lead/connected Craig to Dr. Frank and eventually produce the movie ET/Valiant Thor at the Pentagon. Vice Commander Teel healed Craig intestines surgery and Dr. Frank confirmed it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1XB33A6M7A Nathan, none of this stuff is in the bible, where are you hearing it from, because from what I've read, your people don't believe all this? No, these beliefs are pretty unique to Nathan. I have never ever heard any of any friends or workers anywhere that believe this stuff. Of course, most of us do not look to youtube for our revelations of truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:51:36 GMT -5
Nathan, none of this stuff is in the bible, where are you hearing it from, because from what I've read, your people don't believe all this? The Bible is NOT completed. There are about 2000 yrs history, events are NOT recorded since the Bible completed in the 3rd century by RCC.Nathan, do you seriously believe that Jesus would have sent a messenger to earth that wouldn't have made contact with ANY of his other messengers who were on earth at the time? That just does not make sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:04:28 GMT -5
Nathan, none of this stuff is in the bible, where are you hearing it from, because from what I've read, your people don't believe all this? The Bible is NOT completed. There are about 2000 yrs history, events are NOT recorded since the Bible completed in the 3rd century by RCC.Don't worry, there is a complete record being kept in heaven. One day those books will be opened ... and I do not believe we'll be hearing accounts of the Valiant Thor.
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Post by maryhig on May 25, 2015 16:30:31 GMT -5
The Bible is NOT completed. There are about 2000 yrs history, events are NOT recorded since the Bible completed in the 3rd century by RCC.Don't worry, there is a complete record being kept in heaven. One day those books will be opened ... and I do not believe we'll be hearing accounts of the Valiant Thor. Me neither! Also there's enough in the bible to show us how to live, we don't need anymore! The bible shows us clearly what God requires of us, and how to follow Jesus! And we certainly don't need to be looking at aliens and Thor etc. We need to be looking at getting our hearts right, by letting Gods spirit in and living out the life he wants us to live. And the bible clearly shows us how to do this. We just need to look at Jesus' life and follow him!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:43:48 GMT -5
I cannot read much Nathan. I go cross eyed with the long posts so just briefly in a few words tell me where I will spend eternity? I am thinking that if Venus might be heaven then hell can only get better. The believers will NOT stay/live interior of planet Venus. The planet Venus was created by God for the angels with human bodies to LIVE so they can assist mankind affairs and lives. Planet Venus is ONE of the human angels homes.
How could angels assist mankind with their affairs and lives if they're busy shopping on another planet?!! According to your earlier post: "Inasmuch as the Venusians only require about one or two hours sleep per twenty four hours, they have much time for relaxation, sports, companionship with neighbors, and of course, shopping." - sounds like the type of lifestyle you'd expect from an angel ... ??
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Post by emy on May 25, 2015 17:34:17 GMT -5
The Bible is NOT completed. There are about 2000 yrs history, events are NOT recorded since the Bible completed in the 3rd century by RCC.Nathan, almost anything in the Bible can be related to some other part of the Bible. That tells me that any new additions would need to conform to what has already been finished. I can't see that the alien, middle earth stuff fits.
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Post by snow on May 25, 2015 18:01:12 GMT -5
The Bible is NOT completed. There are about 2000 yrs history, events are NOT recorded since the Bible completed in the 3rd century by RCC.Nathan, almost anything in the Bible can be related to some other part of the Bible. That tells me that any new additions would need to conform to what has already been finished. I can't see that the alien, middle earth stuff fits. Not to mention impossible.
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Post by terfly4fun on May 25, 2015 21:22:01 GMT -5
Nathan ... could the guy who wrote that book be hittin' the crack pipe!? I mean ... Venus Venus is the brightest object in the sky other than the Sun and Moon, and near maximum or minimum elongation will shine in the dusk or dawn sky with a magnitude of about -4. Venus is often called our sister planet, because it is the closest planet to the Earth and its diameter and density are very similar to the Earth's. Venus is, however, a planet unlike ours in many respects. Venus has a dense atmosphere of carbon dioxide which covers the entire planet with thick clouds. The clouds create a greenhouse effect, trapping heat from the Sun and raising the temperature to 750K, the hottest planetary surface in the solar system. The surface of Venus is extremely hostile and cannot support life for a variety of reasons. The thick clouds block out sunlight and contain droplets of concentrated sulphuric acid. The atmosphere is so dense and heavy that the pressure at the surface is 90 times that on Earth. Through a telescope, Venus is featureless but brilliant because the atmosphere reflects more sunlight than any other planet. Surface features on Venus are not visible because the thick clouds obstruct our view, but equipped with radar, spacecraft in orbit around Venus successfully probed the surface between 1983 and 1995 and gave us a detailed topographical map of nearly the entire planet. Most of Venus is a huge and remarkably flat plain, while the remainder of the surface is raised with gently rolling hills and large volcanoes and lava domes. The volcanoes may still be active, contributing to the acidic content in the atmosphere. Several spacecraft from the former Soviet Union have landed on the surface of Venus, revealing a surface composition much like the basalt lava rocks on the Earth and Moon. These probes only operated for a short time, the first for a few seconds, before they succumbed to the harsh conditions on the surface. Radar observations have revealed an extremely long, retrograde rotational period. It takes Venus almost 225 days to complete one orbit of the Sun, but one revolution on its own axis is backwards and takes 243 days. The slow rotation is also believed to be the cause for the absence of a magnetic field surrounding the planet. www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/educators/resources/astronomy/module4/content.aspIt's 750K degrees on VENUS!!! Not to mention the carbondioxide would destroy their lungs! Whoever lives on VENUS sure isn't of human form.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 26, 2015 1:19:05 GMT -5
Nathan ... could the guy who wrote that book be hittin' the crack pipe!? I mean ... Venus Venus is the brightest object in the sky other than the Sun and Moon, and near maximum or minimum elongation will shine in the dusk or dawn sky with a magnitude of about -4. Venus is often called our sister planet, because it is the closest planet to the Earth and its diameter and density are very similar to the Earth's. Venus is, however, a planet unlike ours in many respects. Venus has a dense atmosphere of carbon dioxide which covers the entire planet with thick clouds. The clouds create a greenhouse effect, trapping heat from the Sun and raising the temperature to 750K, the hottest planetary surface in the solar system. The surface of Venus is extremely hostile and cannot support life for a variety of reasons. The thick clouds block out sunlight and contain droplets of concentrated sulphuric acid. The atmosphere is so dense and heavy that the pressure at the surface is 90 times that on Earth. Through a telescope, Venus is featureless but brilliant because the atmosphere reflects more sunlight than any other planet. Surface features on Venus are not visible because the thick clouds obstruct our view, but equipped with radar, spacecraft in orbit around Venus successfully probed the surface between 1983 and 1995 and gave us a detailed topographical map of nearly the entire planet. Most of Venus is a huge and remarkably flat plain, while the remainder of the surface is raised with gently rolling hills and large volcanoes and lava domes. The volcanoes may still be active, contributing to the acidic content in the atmosphere. Several spacecraft from the former Soviet Union have landed on the surface of Venus, revealing a surface composition much like the basalt lava rocks on the Earth and Moon. These probes only operated for a short time, the first for a few seconds, before they succumbed to the harsh conditions on the surface. Radar observations have revealed an extremely long, retrograde rotational period. It takes Venus almost 225 days to complete one orbit of the Sun, but one revolution on its own axis is backwards and takes 243 days. The slow rotation is also believed to be the cause for the absence of a magnetic field surrounding the planet. www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/educators/resources/astronomy/module4/content.aspIt's 750K degrees on VENUS!!! Not to mention the carbondioxide would destroy their lungs! Whoever lives on VENUS sure isn't of human form. "Whoever lives on VENUS sure isn't of human form." Well, of course NOT!
Terfly4fun, You need to go sit in the corner of the class room!
Maybe you have ADD! because you haven't been paying any attention.
PS: Thanks for all that information.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 5:13:25 GMT -5
The angels have been helping God to assist, help humanity in Old and New Testament for centuries. So, Valiant, Donn Thor have been created for the same purpose to assist mankind. I'm not in any way disputing that God has been using angels to assist mankind for centuries. However, I strongly dispute the fact that these angels are coming from Venus, where they while away the time shopping and socialising between their duty calls to earth. In many places the Bible distinctly states that these angels came from heaven, from the presence of God. "the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven" - Gen 21 v 17 "there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him" - Luke 22 v 43 "another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven" - Rev 14 v 17 "the angel of the Lord descended from heaven" - Matt 28 v 2 God sent his angels with a message, or a job to do. They didn't draw attention to themselves. Most of the time we don't even know their names. Most unlike your kids-comic-book-hero Valiant Thor. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 7:28:54 GMT -5
Nathan, can you tell me what the temperature and pressure is on Venus?
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Post by matisse on May 26, 2015 7:42:25 GMT -5
Isn't it clearly declared in the Bible that ALL (not some) things are possible with God? So what, the conditions on Venus? It wouldn't be the first time physical laws had to be suspended.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 11:42:18 GMT -5
(At 13:17---) Val had no palms and finger prints. They are mark of mankind, Valiant/Venusians don't have fingers/palms prints. Val is created Being and race of people created by God. Val told Dr. Stranges that The Venusians never stop walking with the Lord/Jesus. Val came bring solution to overcome disease, poverty, more efficient energy. The dark shadow gov't which control Eisenhower administration/Every administration refused his offer, all they want to know is how his ship operate/Technology for military use. Val came with 4 phrases programs on earth. 1) To contact all world leaders and to let them know the existence of beings from other planets 2) To contact all religious leaders and introduce themselves to them. 3) To contact of ALL of university, colleges with this information. 4) To raise the public awareness of Beings from other worlds because it does not come through media channel. www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUDGv5lznlcbgOeH5-pqo5MQ&v=Zq21hb4y89Y&feature=player_embedded That's one giant hoax, I don't believe a word of it. That's just not how God works. Solutions for overcoming disease, poverty and more efficient energy are things that man would wish for. God could provide solutions for all these things without the help of aliens if He chose to do so, but it wouldn't necessarily cause people to think more about preparing for eternity which is the whole purpose for man's existence on earth. Contacting world leaders, religious leaders and universities is the sort of strategy man would come up with - God sent his only son to be born in a lowly stable, without informing the world leaders of the day, and he revealed himself not to the wise and prudent but to babes. You didn't answer a question I asked previously. Do you seriously think that if God sent an angel to contact ALL religious leaders in the world that He would omit to make contact with His own true servants on earth? You say Valiant Thor worked for the pentagon for 58 years, and you say "the Venusians never stop walking with the Lord/Jesus" - and yet not once in 58 years did Valiant Thor turn up at a meeting or convention in the US?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:28:13 GMT -5
Nathan, you're living in a fantasy world.
Why would God need another John the Baptist-type figure, when Jesus has already come to earth, and established his own ministry on earth? You're just not making sense. Why would there be 77 "angels" walking around the United States and (1) never making contact with any friends or workers and (2) restricting themselves to the USA and not bringing their message to the rest of the world? You think God is only interested in saving the USA now??
Who precisely has Valiant Thor been instrumental in pointing to Jesus? How many people professed because they met Valiant Thor??
In 58 years not one single person came to the mission because they met Valiant Thor - that wasn't much of a success in pointing people to Jesus, was it? I bet there hasn't been a single person in the work for 58 years that didn't manage to get someone to come and listen to the gospel.
You might want to get an update from Hungary too. There's nothing much happening there now.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 13:15:01 GMT -5
You're not answering my questions properly because you can't answer, or you don't want to admit that you're wrong. People are not coming to listen to the gospel because they met Valiant Thor. Valiant Thor is not making contact with any of God's people on earth. Admit it. How would surveillance ships point people to Jesus? If their technology is so wonderful, why are they using the same class of space ship for over 6000 years? Since when did God start relying on movie producers to point people to Jesus? What ever happened to "freely ye have received, freely give"? If these aliens can move around as they wish, through walls etc, why do they even need spaceships in the first place? God sends His angels to earth from heaven without a spaceship, so if these guys were real why wouldn't they have the same powers? Why do they need a medical officer on board? Don't they have healing powers at all? What world leaders are Valiant Thor and his people contacting? God is an omnipresent being. He can see everything that's going on. Why would he need spaceships to carry out surveillance operations when His own powers are far superior? Just as an aside, how do you suppose Valiant Thor had a "normal appearance" and yet had a brain 200 centimetres bigger than the average human brain?? Where did he keep his brain? Presumably not in his head
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 14:25:42 GMT -5
Nathan, here's a quote about Val from that Strange man: "he contacted men of Godly character and strength around the world. Many are presently working in close contact with Val and other members of his crew." As someone who is professing, how do you explain the fact that no workers or friends - men of Godly character and strength - were contacted by this guy?
Why would his mission on earth be "striving for world peace" when Jesus said "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division" ?
How do you explain the fact that he was taking orders from "the Council of Central Control" on his own planet, instead of taking instructions from God?
Apart from the fact that Valiant Thor didn't exist, of course.
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Post by rational on May 26, 2015 14:37:08 GMT -5
Nathan, almost anything in the Bible can be related to some other part of the Bible. That tells me that any new additions would need to conform to what has already been finished. I can't see that the alien, middle earth stuff fits. Not to mention impossible. If you design you god properly all things are possible.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on May 26, 2015 14:48:31 GMT -5
Nathan, almost anything in the Bible can be related to some other part of the Bible. That tells me that any new additions would need to conform to what has already been finished. I can't see that the alien, middle earth stuff fits. The angels have been helping God to assist, help humanity in Old and New Testament for centuries. So, Valiant, Donn Thor have been created for the same purpose to assist mankind.~~ The Angels of God in human bodies in the Old Testament :Rescued Haggar (Gen. 16:7-12) Announced the Birth of Issac (Gen 18:1-15) Announced the destruction of Sodom of Sodom ( Gen. 18:16-35) Destroyed Sodom and rescued Lot (Gen. 19:1-29) Intercept the slaying of Isaac (Gen. 22:11-12) Marriage of Isaac and Rebecca (Gen 24:7) Guard Jacob (Gen. 28:12;31:11,48:16) Commission Moses (Exodus 3:2) Led Israel (Exodus 14:19; 23:20-23;32:34) Gave the Law (Acts 7:38;53; Gal.3:19) Rebuked Balaam the false prophet (Numbers 22:31-35) Prince of God's host appeared to Joshua (Joshua 5:13-15) Rebuked the Israelites for Idolatry (Judges 2:1-5) Commission Gideon (Judges 6:11-40) Announced the birth of Samson (Judges 13) Smote Israelites with Pestilence (II Sam.24:16-17) Rescued Elijah (I Kings 10:5-8) Elisha was surrounded by Invisible angels (II Kings 6:14-17) Saved Daniel from the Lions (Daniel 6:22) Killed the Assyrians Army (II Kings 19:35; Isaiah 37:36) Angels camp round about God's people (Psalms 34:7; 91:11)~~ Angels appeared in human form/body in the New Testament: The Angels: Announced the Birth of John the Baptist (Luke 1:11-17) Foretold to Mary the birth of Jesus (Luke 1:26-37) Foretold to Joseph the birth of Jesus (Matt. 1:20,21) Announced to shepherds the birth of Jesus (Luke 2:8-15) Direct the child Jesus flee to Egypt (Matt. 2:13-30) Ministered to Jesus at His Temptation (Matthew 4:11) Came to Jesus at Gethsemane (Luke 22:43) Rolled away the stone at Jesus' tomb (Matt. 28:2) Announced to the women His Resurrection (Matt. 28:5-7) Presented Him to Mary Magdalene (John 20:11-14) Opened prison doors for the apostles (Acts 4:19) Directed Philip and bought the material to the Ethiopian (Acts 8:26) Released Peter from prison (Acts 12:7-9) Peter's angel (Acts 12:15) Struck Herod Dead (Acts 12:23) Directed Cornelius (Acts 10:3) Stood by Paul during the storm (Acts 27:23) ~~ Angels in the Epistles and RevelationThere are Elect angels (I Tim. 5:21) Angels are Innumerable (Heb. 12:22; Revelation 5:11) Ministers to Heirs of Salvation (Heb. 1:13,14) Angels will come with Jesus in flaming fire (II Thes. 1:7) 7 Churches have Guardian Angels (Rev. 1:20;2;8,12,18) The fallen angels are aliens/ETs, Middle earth, or the hollow earth is their homes for millions, or perhaps billions of years before God put Adam and Eve in the Garden 6,000 yrs ago on the earth.www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fallen+angels+are+aliens NathanB, I was not created for any such purpose. Stranges made up a story and has sold it to the people who did not want to bother thinking for themselves. Enough people liked the story and bought the materials that Stranges could make a living lying to people. I say lying because I knew Stranges and the real story, according to him, was not enough to bring in enough revenue. So Frank (Stranges) made up a fantastic story about impossible things, knowing there would be people who would continue to send him money and pay to hear him speak. He knew people and how to manipulate them for his own uses. Many people have told you that the stories he tells are impossible and contradict the known natural laws of the universe. You are traveling down the wrong road. There is a very easy test, NathanB. See if there are any parts of the story that are not based on what Stranges wrote. Commander Valiant Thor
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 15:25:02 GMT -5
Nathan, you're being completely hoodwinked by a commercial enterprise. You're believing, and spreading, a pile of LIES! And you're not even listening to reason.
See what "Cmdr Val Thor" wrote in his post - "See if there are any parts of the story that are not based on what Stranges wrote", and see what Emy wrote in her comment about parts of the Bible backing up each other - THINK about it. How can you possibly believe such a huge idea based on the words of only ONE "witness"? And don't count the movie producer as another witness - he's only going by what he read in Stranges book, and he's only in it for the money just like Stranges. If this story was true there would be a lot more witnesses to back it up. God doesn't blank peoples' minds so they don't know what's going on around them, like that bogus Stranges man claimed happened in the pentagon. Make up your mind - either he's spreading the word or hiding it and blanking peoples minds - they can't both be true. We read in Hebrews about being compassed about with a great cloud of witnesses, and we have a "cloud of witnesses" confirming what's written in the word of God, but absolutely no one confirming what's written in the word of Stranges.
In your conclusion above, Stranges states: "every race, every kindred, every color, every size, every shape and color will inherit the Kingdom of Almighty God. This also means that when that time should arise that Almighty God brings down the final curtain on human affairs on Earth, the Kingdom Dispensation will begin and everyone mentioned above (including you) will place their feet under the tremendous table of God. This is the supper table, which will be arranged for by Jesus Christ Himself." Nathan, if you are professing you KNOW that this is absolutely NOT TRUE. It is only the faithful of every race, colour etc who will sit down in the kingdom of God - there will be many cast into hell on the judgement day who will not inherit the kingdom. And I'm not convinced that there will be people there striped like rainbows and zebras either.
This is not of God, Nathan. It's a hoax. Open your mind and do some genuine research.
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Post by rational on May 26, 2015 15:48:48 GMT -5
I showed you manes of US gov't confirmed the existence of Valiant Thor and you refused to believe it. I must have missed this Nathan. Can you re-post some evidence other than that from Frank Strenges? Thanks in advance.
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Post by hberry on May 26, 2015 15:52:29 GMT -5
I showed you manes of US gov't confirmed the existence of Valiant Thor and you refused to believe it. I must have missed this Nathan. Can you re-post some evidence other than that from Frank Strenges? Thanks in advance. I wish I'd thought to name my cat Valiant Thor. He'd think he was famous!
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Post by rational on May 26, 2015 15:56:13 GMT -5
I must have missed this Nathan. Can you re-post some evidence other than that from Frank Strenges? Thanks in advance. I wish I'd thought to name my cat Valiant Thor. He'd think he was famous! Is it your silly cat that has been posting as Commander Valiant Thor???!?
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Post by hberry on May 26, 2015 16:13:09 GMT -5
I wish I'd thought to name my cat Valiant Thor. He'd think he was famous! Is it your silly cat that has been posting as Commander Valiant Thor???!? He hangs his head in shame....he wished he had! After all, how often does a cat get to buckle a swash with a name like Cmdr Val Thor?
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Post by snow on May 26, 2015 17:37:38 GMT -5
Not to mention impossible. If you design you god properly all things are possible. Yes, I keep forgetting that little piece of information. In my world all things are not possible. I'm a slow learner I guess.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 20:56:40 GMT -5
I know Venus isn't hollow, but some people's heads are. If you see a small asteroid it can be any shape - and yes, these can be hollow (or hollowed out to form luxury space apartments one day) But at a certain point in size the mass of the asteroid begins to crush inward as gravity takes over. Thus Ceres for instance is round - and all round bodies have a solid core. You can't hollow out the Earth or Venus without the outer crust, or even mantle, crashing inward under the weight of billions of tons of "rock." And if indeed these planets were hollow shells it would show in orbital and gravity measurents. Besides all that, there is no way of keeping a crustal shell from imploding, no way to excavate the inner core of a planet and certainly, no way to keep a "sun" in the inner portion of said shell without all sorts of interesting physical and thermal problems. Period. If you believe in a hollow Earth then maybe you might like to look at a flat earth, or even a square earth.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 27, 2015 1:06:20 GMT -5
Bert, I reckon that some fella on here has got hemorroids mixed up with his asteroids.
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Post by rational on May 27, 2015 6:47:32 GMT -5
The Bible is NOT completed. There are about 2000 yrs history, events are NOT recorded since the Bible completed in the 3rd century by RCC. Sounds like some people believed it was complete. Believers probably are afraid to make any changes. Revelation 22:18-19For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this Book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the Book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this Book. Deuteronomy 4:2 & Deuteronomy 12:32You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it.
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Post by rational on May 27, 2015 14:30:32 GMT -5
CANADIAN SCIENTISTS CONTACT VENUS Government Project Valiant and Donn Thor from Venus weren't the ONLY heavenly being came to assist earth in 1950s Venusian Rich Evers from Venus/Moring Star planet on Maui, Hawaii
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<SNIP> It is difficult to believe that there are more far-fetched stories out there with zero support that people pay to access. Come on NathanB, you are smarter than this.
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