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Post by Mary on May 22, 2015 14:43:19 GMT -5
So God lives on Venus because Jesus is sitting on his right hand? I thought heaven was some place up there but surely you are not telling me it is Venus? Crushed my faith, I don't want to live on Venus forever. Dry barren inhabitable place. Please tell me I am wrong and that I have better things to look forward to.
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Post by hberry on May 22, 2015 14:45:05 GMT -5
So God lives on Venus because Jesus is sitting on his right hand? I thought heaven was some place up there but surely you are not telling me it is Venus? Crushed my faith, I don't want to live on Venus forever. Dry barren inhabitable place. Please tell me I am wrong and that I have better things to look forward to. and then there's this little thing called gravity....
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Post by Mary on May 22, 2015 14:53:18 GMT -5
Gravity also lives on Venus? Maybe gravity is God. Now that I can believe. God is gravity.
P.S. what Bible are you reading Nathan?
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 14:55:20 GMT -5
So God lives on Venus because Jesus is sitting on his right hand? I thought heaven was some place up there but surely you are not telling me it is Venus? Crushed my faith, I don't want to live on Venus forever. Dry barren inhabitable place. Please tell me I am wrong and that I have better things to look forward to. and then there's this little thing called gravity.... and extremely high temperatures...
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 14:59:14 GMT -5
Gravity also lives on Venus? Maybe gravity is God. Now that I can believe. God is gravity. P.S. what Bible are you reading Nathan? He is quoting somethings from the dead sea scrolls. But they were Essene philosophy mostly. They did have some of the more ancient manuscripts from the books that are in the OT in their collections, but some of the stuff they found in that collection is only Essene thought. Jesus has been said to be an Essene by some, but I highly doubt it based on the gospels and what the Essene thought was. They were somewhat similar, but totally different in other ways. Also, I don't know where Nathan got some of the things he has quoted from supposed Dead Sea Scrolls because they aren't anything I have ever seen or read from the scrolls and I've read quite a number of the ones that have been translated.
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Post by Mary on May 22, 2015 15:10:21 GMT -5
But the first post says Jesus the almighty God lives on planet Venus with the angels? Now you are saying he doesn't?
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 15:18:16 GMT -5
But the first post says Jesus the almighty God lives on planet Venus with the angels? Now you are saying he doesn't? I still haven't figured out how anything could survive on or in Venus knowing how hot it is on the surface never mind under the surface. But then I don't understand how Earth can be hollow either, how it can have it's own sun and ocean etc when it's supposed to be molten lava.
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Post by Mary on May 22, 2015 15:33:35 GMT -5
I cannot read much Nathan. I go cross eyed with the long posts so just briefly in a few words tell me where I will spend eternity? I am thinking that if Venus might be heaven then hell can only get better.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2015 15:37:13 GMT -5
and then there's this little thing called gravity.... and extremely high temperatures... So it's hell then.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2015 15:39:50 GMT -5
and then there's this little thing called gravity.... and extremely high temperatures... So it's hell then.
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 15:41:06 GMT -5
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Post by blacksheep on May 22, 2015 16:11:38 GMT -5
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being, which explains why last night Teresa kept shouting "Oh, my God!"
THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A".
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 22, 2015 16:16:55 GMT -5
I have even heard atheist women say this. Now how can that be?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 16:30:05 GMT -5
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well. Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being, which explains why last night Teresa kept shouting "Oh, my God!" THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A". if true its sorta funny but then...
1. why would hell expand at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter? 2. why would hell expand faster than the rate at which souls enter?
wouldn't God(creator of hell) expand it at a perfect rate? or wouldn't God create hell big enough to fit everyone and just dump them in as required?
150,000+ people die everyday worldwide...
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Post by fixit on May 22, 2015 16:42:14 GMT -5
Gravity also lives on Venus? Maybe gravity is God. Now that I can believe. God is gravity. P.S. what Bible are you reading Nathan? YouTube.
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 17:02:58 GMT -5
I have even heard atheist women say this. Now how can that be? Well you have heard the expression 'not everything you hear is true'... ha
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Post by snow on May 22, 2015 17:04:11 GMT -5
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well. Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being, which explains why last night Teresa kept shouting "Oh, my God!" THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A". if true its sorta funny but then...
1. why would hell expand at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter? 2. why would hell expand faster than the rate at which souls enter?
wouldn't God(creator of hell) expand it at a perfect rate? or wouldn't God create hell big enough to fit everyone and just dump them in as required?
150,000+ people die everyday worldwide...
Which is why more and more people are recognizing that the story of heaven and hell isn't true.
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Post by Gene on May 22, 2015 18:50:48 GMT -5
So God lives on Venus because Jesus is sitting on his right hand? I thought heaven was some place up there but surely you are not telling me it is Venus? Crushed my faith, I don't want to live on Venus forever. Dry barren inhabitable place. Please tell me I am wrong and that I have better things to look forward to. Me neither. I much prefer Mars. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Are_from_Mars,_Women_Are_from_Venus
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Post by snow on May 23, 2015 11:30:35 GMT -5
Where does it say in the bible that the angels were from Venus? However, it still seems like the bible can be used to prove just about anything. The Bible mentioned about two angels in human bodies came with the Lord/God to tell Abraham and Sarah about the birth of their son, Isaac in Genesis chapters 17-19. The two human angels went to Sodom and Gomorrah to rescue Lot's family. Where did they come from? Many angels in human bodies appeared in Old and New Testament... where they come from and where do they live after they accomplished their mission?.... The Dead sea scrolls writings mentioned they came from the planet Venus and many of them live there.Scroll #3 Cave #3 "The Lord (Elohim) instructed his Angels, both from the Morning and Evening Star/Venus Planet, to assist Lot and his family to escape what was to befall the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah The Two Chosen angels instructed Lot and his family to drape themselves in white Garments (fine linen) and run away from the cities with great haste. Then a voice came from the darkening skies from on high and the other Heavenly Messengers, also from the Morning and Evening Star who rode in their chariots of fire saying unto all of them below, "Make haste because the judgment of Almighty God is about to fall upon these cities. We are prepared to obey His Voice and point our fire-spears towards the cities of sin and destroy them according to the Divine Will of the Father. Then a white light as bright as the sun blazed behind them and the Earth did shake with a mighty roar. The elements did separate as the cities of sin were leveled to the ground. The air above the Earth was filled with destructive dust and everyone including the animals. "The smoke rose into the heaven and did cloak the ground with destruction. Thus, the messengers, from the Stars did likewise accomplish their mission as their wheels returned to the skies where they rested with others in their home which was high above the Earth." "She who was the wife of Lot, because of her disobedience, did turn around and gaze upon the destruction. She was turned into what appeared to be the salt of the land and the deadly destructive dust that clung over the Earth did indeed cause her life to cease. The smoke and vapor from the cities rose higher and higher as the cities were laid waste in the wilderness on the plains of Zoar that morning." www.rense.com/general66/cave.htm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Scrollwww.cluechaser.com/ultimate-puzzle-3_the-copper-scroll/
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on May 23, 2015 17:06:36 GMT -5
NathanB, Once again I feel the need to remind you and the readers that you have based the majority of your beliefs on lies and fabrications delivered by Stranges and used to separate gullible people from their money. And now that Stranges has died his wife and children continue to promote his lies and, in effect, steal from people who trust the. It makes me sad to see someone like you, NathanB, associated with such immoral people. Hopefully you will be able to reverse this trend. Commander Valiant Thor
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 23, 2015 23:47:01 GMT -5
I have even heard atheist women say this. Now how can that be? Well you have heard the expression 'not everything you hear is true'... ha Wot, you mean there are fakers in this world. Oh dear, I am so deflated.
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Post by snow on May 24, 2015 11:52:46 GMT -5
Well you have heard the expression 'not everything you hear is true'... ha Wot, you mean there are fakers in this world. Oh dear, I am so deflated.
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Post by bendle on May 24, 2015 13:28:02 GMT -5
Y'know, just recently there was a debate on the telly here in the uk between a woman who has written a book claiming that jesus was a space alien and a born again Christian woman. Guess who came across as deranged and irrational? I'll give you a clue- it wasn't the space alien believer.....
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:35:04 GMT -5
This is what John the Baptist testified about Jesus, who came from above/ heaven/ outer space. Jesus God/Man has a kingdom from above/heaven where He reigns as Supreme Being/God.
John 3:27-31 27 To this John replied, “A person can receive only what is given them from heaven. 28 You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Messiah but am sent ahead of him.’ The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. He must become greater; I must become less.” The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
Jesus said in John 17:1-5 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
Jesus said this to Nicodemus in John 3:9-13 How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man."
Jesus said to Pilate in John 18:35-36 35 Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?” Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
How do you conclude from any of these scriptures that they refer to Venus?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:09:49 GMT -5
Words of encouragement from our Lord God Jesus Christ the Creator of the UniverseAlso from Cave # 7 1. "My Dear Children, by the time you read these words, many years will have passed since my death and resurrection. The times and seasons will be different from the times which I have spent with my disciples. You will be living in perilous days and nights. But you will be aware of my presence with you at all times because this I have already committed to you long ago." 2. "My message to you is to stand fast and hold to that which has been proven to be just and true. Do not hold onto those things of this present world but rather seek first my kingdom and you will be the recipients of all that is good and Holy." 3. "These shall prove to be great days and nights of trials and tribulations. But you, my chosen ones, will rejoice because I have made a way for you were there was no way. You will find that My Words shall never return to me empty or void. You will live in total expectation that I am God of My Word. Yes, I shall keep My Word to you everyday that you live. Then, if and when you depart from your present clothing of flesh, you shall instantly be transformed to be with me for all eternity." 4. "I am presently continuing to prepare a wonderful place for you. When that place is completely prepared for you and My message of My kingdom has been carried throughout the planet, then you shall see and witness positive signs of my soon return. Keep your faith and trust in Me because I am the Lord who has promised to be at your side forever." 5. "Many will attempt to steal your crown and rob you of your joy. But they can never succeed because of My Presence with you. What you have hidden in the deep recesses of your heart can never be removed by the enemy of your soul. Maintain a strong faith in me and My Word and you shall never perish but enjoy life everlasting which I have provided you." 6. "May these words be of continuous comfort to you and to your children. Speak to them in words of joy and comfort, which have been rooted and grounded in My Holy Word. Continue to strive to perform good works among men. Allow the brightness of your own life to dispel the shadows of doubt and fear." 7. "When you read these words much prophecy will have already come to pass, however, more prophetic events will take place to assure you that I am the Lord God. I am the Lord who has permitted many things to occur in the past in order to prepare you for tomorrow. Be of good cheer. Love one another and continue to keep My Word, always." From the Copper Scrolls Cave #3 11. "You shall also witness my angels and my Heavenly Messengers who will visit you in their chariots and assure you of the Gifts of God." 12. "My Heavenly Messengers will also bear you up on the wings of deliverance as I so instructed them to do." 13. "They will speak of me and my Glory and will show signs and wonders at my command. My Heavenly Messengers will also council you in the ways of the Lord and will reveal to you the wonders of the Universe, at My Command." 14. "Let your faith and confidence in me never waiver. I am with you, Always." Copper Scrolls Cave #3 The Master speaking, "Do not permit your pure mind to become troubled in any form but rather allow your faith and your belief to solely rest in Almighty God. You believe whole-heartedly in Almighty God, you also believe in Me with all of your heart, mind and spirit. In our universe, which I have created, there are multitudes of places and orbs which, along with the Earth, shall be your future dwelling places." "I have already prepared many places for you to visit and to also dwell in the future. In reality, because I Am God, I shall be with you always everywhere and will always accompany you. And when the time is ripe you shall know that I have already made a way for you to be transformed and then you shall dwell with me in those other places. In that manner, we shall never be apart again for I shall be with you, always." "I have already made provisions so do not allow your pure mind, your pure heart or your spirit to become disturbed. I am well aware that the evil one and his followers have already tried and tempted you and attempted to try your faith. He is very busy and his evil activities shall increase as the time of the end shall appear." "His own angels whom I have cast out of the Heaven, down to Earth, are busy attempting to, in every way, to destroy your faith. But young children shall be assisted by My Angels and other Heavenly Messengers, who will reveal themselves in chariots of fire. They will bring you a message that will cause you to be Nathan, the rubbish you believe never ceases to amaze me. How can you possibly believe that Jesus said this stuff? Read it again. Parts of it are paraphrased from scriptures but the message doesn't sound remotely like Jesus. It sounds like what it is - poorly written fiction.
"You will live in total expection that I am God of my word" - seriously?" if and when you depart from your present clothing of flesh" - surely Jesus would know whether it was "if" or "when"! "you shall instantly be transformed" - that depends on whether we're alive when Jesus returns or not"my message of my kingdom" - when did Jesus take credit for the message? Did he not give the credit to his father?"What you have hidden in the deep recesses of your heart can never be removed by the enemy of your soul" - How many times did Jesus say to take heed that ye be not deceived? He didn't say that the enemy couldn't deceive us."Allow the brightness of your own life to dispel the shadows of doubt and fear" - come on Nathan, when did Jesus ever tell us to look to the brightness of our own lives? How could looking at our own lives dispel doubt and fear? Surely the only way to do that would be to look at the light of Jesus? "whom I have cast out of the Heaven" - Jesus didn't cast the devil and his angels out of heaven, God did.
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Post by Greg on May 25, 2015 15:14:22 GMT -5
I wrote to the movie producer Craig C. telling him about my Valiant Thor message board and I received a nice reply from him. If rational wrote to him, would rational receive a nice reply? Yes, I know . . . depends on what he wrote. But I think we can imagine fairly closely.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:28:33 GMT -5
He didn't put much effort into that response - clearly he just wants your money. That's what the film was for too - making money, not revealing truth.
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Post by maryhig on May 25, 2015 15:41:50 GMT -5
He didn't put much effort into that response - clearly he just wants your money. That's what the film was for too - making money, not revealing truth. Craig C is a VERY busy man. He is on many radio interviews, getting ready to produce the main feature movie of Valiant Thor: Stranger at the Pentagon. At least, he answered my email an unknown person out of the blue, which I really appreciate. I haven't buy any book from Dr. Stranges, most of Valiant Thor information I got it from the Internet. I watched Craig C. Valiant Thor short film for $5 and it was quite interesting. I left my Valiant Thor message board link for those who are interested. Amazing interesting 2014 Interview of Craig Campobasso, a movie producer/director how he came to meet Dr. Frank in 2001. Then the short feature film ET/Stranger at Pentagon was made... (21:27) 287 Victor one space ships monitoring earth people movement. Valiant gigantic star ship is 14 mile long, 7 miles wide. (27:21) ETs live interior of the planets. They can control their own temperature, keep them young/healthy. (39:35) Dr. Stranges friend August Robertson took pictures of Valiant Thor at Howard Menger's home in 1958. (55;00) VT told Frank, he had a brother who died, which he didn't know. Valiant Thor met Dr. Frank stranges parents. (49:00) VT can heal people. Craig heard VT voice on the phone. (53:00) 4 Vice commanders, Donn Thor's brother, Vice commander Thonn, Vice Commander Teel is the wife of Vice Commander Zann. Unia another created being from Melchizedek Order. (55:15) 10 yrs before Craig met Dr. Frank... he had contact with Vice Commander Teel, and elderly couple lead/connected Craig to Dr. Frank and eventually produce the movie ET/Valiant Thor at the Pentagon. Vice Commander Teel healed Craig intestines surgery and Dr. Frank confirmed it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1XB33A6M7ANathan, none of this stuff is in the bible, where are you hearing it from, because from what I've read, your people don't believe all this?
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