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Post by rational on Jun 11, 2015 6:14:52 GMT -5
I think Nathan would be deeply impressed with Ron Hubbard. He too was into science fiction. He sold 3 million books on Dianetics and Scientology. That proves it's true, doesn't it? That and the fact that in a number of YouTube videos Tom Cruise says a lot of good things about it. I mean, millions of copies sold, a high profile star promoting it, and some YouTube videos - if I wasn't so busy flossing my cat I would be on the road to Riverside, ready to grab the electropsychometer, get audited, and, at last, be clear!
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Post by rational on Jun 11, 2015 16:12:16 GMT -5
The Bible has many of so-called science fiction stories, yet the Christians believe them... such as Noah's flood, the Jerico walls collapsed, when the children of Israel walking around the city, when the priests just blowing the trumpets. over 1 million people survived in the desert/heat, their clothes never wore out, live on Manna bread from heaven.
One angel killed 180,000 Assyrians in one night. Elisha's servant thought they going to die when they were surrounded by the enemies, Elisha prayed to God that He would open his servant eyes to see hundreds, thousands heavenly angels had surrounded the enemies! The donkey spoke to Balaam the prophet.
The virgin birth, God/Jesus came in human flesh and walked among men. The angels announced the birth of Jesus, the angels rolled away the stone on front of Jesus tomb. The angels rescued Peter from prison. John vision on the island of Patmos....
I know Rational doesn't believe in God or anything paranormal.... but do you believe MANY these stories in the Bible, Bert..... that Rational, called science fiction. I don't recall calling the bible stories science fiction because they have little to so with science other than violate some basic well established natural laws. The bible is more of a compilation of the tragedies, victories, hopes, and dreams of people who lived in a demon haunted world without the candle of science to illuminate the way. I mean really, it is filled with storied of rape and incest. Of blind obedience, lust, and murder. Wars and pestilence. What's not to love about it? But believe it? It is right up there with the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew in my view. And yes, I was reading them all in the same period of time!
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Post by rational on Jun 11, 2015 16:14:56 GMT -5
Valiant and Donn Thor are NOT science fiction characters but beings from the planet Venus appeared to earth in 1930s. We have military people and civilian testified about Valiant Thor landing. NathanB, do you have one source that is independent of Stranges? One government document? One anything ither than works written by Stranges and YouTube videos of people repeating what Stranges wrote about Commander Valiant Thor?
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Post by snow on Jun 11, 2015 17:08:42 GMT -5
As I have said in the past - facts are not up for a vote. I can probably point you to some porn videos that have many more viewers than 4 million. Does that make them 'special'? Yes, more viewers mean people like the video. If it wasn't any good or interesting the hardly anyone would watch the Video.Umm Nathan, how do you know whether you like a video until you actually watch it? By then it's too late and you are one of the viewers. Every last person who viewed it could have hated it, but they get added as a viewer anyway so it's not a way of determining whether or not people like it or that it's true.
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Post by snow on Jun 11, 2015 17:10:15 GMT -5
I think Nathan would be deeply impressed with Ron Hubbard. He too was into science fiction. He sold 3 million books on Dianetics and Scientology. That proves it's true, doesn't it? I read some of his science fiction books and they were actually not bad. Battlefield Earth actually got made into a movie I think. It was not a bad book. He had a definite style of writing though. Never read his Dianetics or Scientology stuff though.
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Post by snow on Jun 11, 2015 17:14:55 GMT -5
The Bible has many of so-called science fiction stories, yet the Christians believe them... such as Noah's flood, the Jerico walls collapsed, when the children of Israel walking around the city, when the priests just blowing the trumpets. over 1 million people survived in the desert/heat, their clothes never wore out, live on Manna bread from heaven.
One angel killed 180,000 Assyrians in one night. Elisha's servant thought they going to die when they were surrounded by the enemies, Elisha prayed to God that He would open his servant eyes to see hundreds, thousands heavenly angels had surrounded the enemies! The donkey spoke to Balaam the prophet.
The virgin birth, God/Jesus came in human flesh and walked among men. The angels announced the birth of Jesus, the angels rolled away the stone on front of Jesus tomb. The angels rescued Peter from prison. John vision on the island of Patmos....
I know Rational doesn't believe in God or anything paranormal.... but do you believe MANY these stories in the Bible, Bert..... that Rational, called science fiction. True, there are a lot of unbelievables in the Bible too. But you are taking it to the next level and trying to get people who think the bible is the 'only truth', to accept stuff that's not in the bible. That's like getting someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old to understand about evolution and a universe that is billions of years old. You're just hitting your head against a brick wall.
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Post by rational on Jun 11, 2015 18:36:43 GMT -5
That's like getting someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old to understand about evolution and a universe that is billions of years old. You're just hitting your head against a brick wall. Or like banging your head against a folded Vishnu schist basement rock! Best to step back and enjoy the canyon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 20:18:35 GMT -5
The Bible has many of so-called science fiction stories, yet the Christians believe them... such as Noah's flood, the Jerico walls collapsed, when the children of Israel walking around the city, when the priests just blowing the trumpets. over 1 million people survived in the desert/heat, their clothes never wore out, live on Manna bread from heaven.
One angel killed 180,000 Assyrians in one night. Elisha's servant thought they going to die when they were surrounded by the enemies, Elisha prayed to God that He would open his servant eyes to see hundreds, thousands heavenly angels had surrounded the enemies! The donkey spoke to Balaam the prophet.
The virgin birth, God/Jesus came in human flesh and walked among men. The angels announced the birth of Jesus, the angels rolled away the stone on front of Jesus tomb. The angels rescued Peter from prison. John vision on the island of Patmos....
I know Rational doesn't believe in God or anything paranormal.... but do you believe MANY these stories in the Bible, Bert..... that Rational, called science fiction. True, there are a lot of unbelievables in the Bible too. But you are taking it to the next level and trying to get people who think the bible is the 'only truth', to accept stuff that's not in the bible. That's like getting someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old to understand about evolution and a universe that is billions of years old. You're just hitting your head against a brick wall. I get the same feeling talking to atheist and agnostics...
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Post by snow on Jun 12, 2015 10:54:31 GMT -5
True, there are a lot of unbelievables in the Bible too. But you are taking it to the next level and trying to get people who think the bible is the 'only truth', to accept stuff that's not in the bible. That's like getting someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old to understand about evolution and a universe that is billions of years old. You're just hitting your head against a brick wall. I get the same feeling talking to atheist and agnostics... LOL I'm sure you do.
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Post by snow on Jun 12, 2015 11:00:09 GMT -5
True, there are a lot of unbelievables in the Bible too. But you are taking it to the next level and trying to get people who think the bible is the 'only truth', to accept stuff that's not in the bible. That's like getting someone who believes the earth is 6000 years old to understand about evolution and a universe that is billions of years old. You're just hitting your head against a brick wall. I want to encourage the 6000 yrs old earth history believers, .... to look at the million years fossils.... Millions years Dinosaurs Skeletons.... Look at the evidences... There are many things, they left out of the Bible. ONLY certain Old Testament writings/books were putting together to make up the Bible.
Moses had copied the creation, the serpent story in the Garden from Sumeria/Iraq history tablets.... Moses wasn't born when Adam and Eve lived in the garden, so how would he know the story of Adam, Eve, and the Serpent in the garden of Eden to write about it.
I would like to encourage people to look at the fossil history too, but they don't believe it no matter what because it contradicts the bible in their opinion. The creation story is not unique to the Hebrews and is copied from an earlier creation story with a name change from Lilith to Eve. Adam remains Adam, but the story is Sumerian in origin. So to believe the bible is the only truth has to deny that the bible is a newer version of an older story as far as the creation story goes. The fact that Cain did marry and so did Seth tells us that there were other people on earth and that Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden story is not an actual happening and more of an allegorical story. The story more pertains, imo, to when the human species became self aware.
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Post by snow on Jun 12, 2015 11:23:25 GMT -5
I would like to encourage people to look at the fossil history too, but they don't believe it no matter what because it contradicts the bible in their opinion. The creation story is not unique to the Hebrews and is copied from an earlier creation story with a name change from Lilith to Eve. Adam remains Adam, but the story is Sumerian in origin. So to believe the bible is the only truth has to deny that the bible is a newer version of an older story as far as the creation story goes. The fact that Cain did marry and so did Seth tells us that there were other people on earth and that Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden story is not an actual happening and more of an allegorical story. The story more pertains, imo, to when the human species became self aware. Right on, snow... Whoever copied the Sumeria tablets history and put it into book of Genesis... the Garden of Eden situation with the Serpent, Eve and Adam, Noah's flood time with the Nephim/giants left a lot of information out! Who did Cain and Seth married? It has many pieces of information missing, did they leave out on purpose? Was it because the information were too graphics for the readers, too much for the next generation to grasp or understand.I don't think it's because it was 'too graphic' but more it wasn't important because the story wasn't really about 'first man and women' but about our introduction into being self aware. That's how I see it anyway. It would have been life changing I would think and someone tried to capture that in the Creation story?
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Post by snow on Jun 12, 2015 12:15:23 GMT -5
I don't think it's because it was 'too graphic' but more it wasn't important because the story wasn't really about 'first man and women' but about our introduction into being self aware. That's how I see it anyway. It would have been life changing I would think and someone tried to capture that in the Creation story? I found information about Noah's days with the Nephilims/the giants through reading the book of Enoch. I found information that Cain and Seth married to two of their own two sisters in the book of Jubilee. These books were left out of the Bible.
Cain and Abel (iv. 1-12; cf. Gen. iv.).
Cain slew Abel because (God) accepted the sacrifice of Abel, and did not accept the offering of Cain. 3. And he slew him in the field: and his blood cried from the ground to heaven, complaining because he had slain him. 4 4. And the Lord reproved Cain because of Abel, because he had slain him, and he made him a fugitive on the earth because of the blood of his brother, and he cursed him upon the earth. 5
5. And on this account it is written on the heavenly tables, "Cursed is he who smiteth his neighbour treacherously, and let all who have seen and heard say, So be it; and the man who hath seen and not declared (it), let him be accursed as the other." 6. And for this reason we announce when we come before the Lord our God all the sin which is committed in heaven and on earth, and in light and in darkness, and everywhere. 7. And Adam and his wife mourned for Abel four weeks of years, and in the fourth year of the fifth week they became joyful, and Adam knew his wife again, and she bare him a son, and he 1 called his name Seth; for he said "God hath raised up a second seed unto us on the earth instead of Abel; for Cain slew him." 2 8. And in the sixth week he begat his daughter ’Azûrâ. 9. And Cain took ’Âwân his sister to be his wife and she bare him Enoch the close of the fourth jubilee. And in the first year of the first week of the fifth jubilee, houses were built on the earth, and Cain built a city, and called its name after the name of his son Enoch. 10. And Adam knew Eve his wife and she bare yet nine sons. 11. And in the fifth week of the fifth jubilee Seth took ’Azûrâ his sister to be his wife, and in the fourth (year of the sixth week) she bare him Enos. 5 12. He 6 began to call on the name of the Lord on the earth.
~~~ I will try to find out from other early writings if they have anymore details information in the Garden of Eden, and what really happened between the Serpent, Eve and Adam. Our loving God doesn't cut off Adam and Eve forever just because eat some forbidden fruits, there had to be something more to the story. Cain and Abel were like Night and Day in human natures. Cain was a murder and Abel was so loving and kind.
Jesus said to the Jews who wanted to kill him constantly, "You are like your father the devil, who was a murder from the beginning." To the 12 Jesus said "I have chosen you but, one of you is the devil." That person turned out to be Judas Isc.
The problems with full brothers and sisters having children would be immense. We know that to be true. So I really don't think it makes too much sense to believe that humanity started with brothers and sisters marrying because the problems from inbreeding. Not to mention that it would also be incest. It makes more sense to me that there were other people on earth at the same time. I think there are many continued problems with believing a story to be true rather than taking it for what it might have been meant to mean. That's my thoughts anyway.
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Post by bubbles on Jun 12, 2015 12:17:40 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't believe any of that ... or any of your last two posts ... I believe Adam was the first man, and Eve was the first woman, and they were certainly not on earth 300,000 years ago. Earth as we know it didn't even exist 300,000 years ago. The earth is more than 6000 yrs old.....The Detailed Universe: This will Blow Your Mind. Over 4 MILLIONS viewers! www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IVqMXPFYwIIn the desert of Australia they are collecting a lot of dinasaur bones. Building a museum. I think they said the bones were 900 million yrs old. (I could be wrong. It was huge) saw it on a doco in the last wk. Felicity I used to think like you. I think I was wrong. Uneducated thought. The ancients go back a long way.
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Post by bubbles on Jun 12, 2015 12:19:46 GMT -5
I found information about Noah's days with the Nephilims/the giants through reading the book of Enoch. I found information that Cain and Seth married to two of their own two sisters in the book of Jubilee. These books were left out of the Bible.
Cain and Abel (iv. 1-12; cf. Gen. iv.).
Cain slew Abel because (God) accepted the sacrifice of Abel, and did not accept the offering of Cain. 3. And he slew him in the field: and his blood cried from the ground to heaven, complaining because he had slain him. 4 4. And the Lord reproved Cain because of Abel, because he had slain him, and he made him a fugitive on the earth because of the blood of his brother, and he cursed him upon the earth. 5
5. And on this account it is written on the heavenly tables, "Cursed is he who smiteth his neighbour treacherously, and let all who have seen and heard say, So be it; and the man who hath seen and not declared (it), let him be accursed as the other." 6. And for this reason we announce when we come before the Lord our God all the sin which is committed in heaven and on earth, and in light and in darkness, and everywhere. 7. And Adam and his wife mourned for Abel four weeks of years, and in the fourth year of the fifth week they became joyful, and Adam knew his wife again, and she bare him a son, and he 1 called his name Seth; for he said "God hath raised up a second seed unto us on the earth instead of Abel; for Cain slew him." 2 8. And in the sixth week he begat his daughter ’Azûrâ. 9. And Cain took ’Âwân his sister to be his wife and she bare him Enoch the close of the fourth jubilee. And in the first year of the first week of the fifth jubilee, houses were built on the earth, and Cain built a city, and called its name after the name of his son Enoch. 10. And Adam knew Eve his wife and she bare yet nine sons. 11. And in the fifth week of the fifth jubilee Seth took ’Azûrâ his sister to be his wife, and in the fourth (year of the sixth week) she bare him Enos. 5 12. He 6 began to call on the name of the Lord on the earth.
~~~ I will try to find out from other early writings if they have anymore details information in the Garden of Eden, and what really happened between the Serpent, Eve and Adam. Our loving God doesn't cut off Adam and Eve forever just because eat some forbidden fruits, there had to be something more to the story. Cain and Abel were like Night and Day in human natures. Cain was a murder and Abel was so loving and kind.
Jesus said to the Jews who wanted to kill him constantly, "You are like your father the devil, who was a murder from the beginning." To the 12 Jesus said "I have chosen you but, one of you is the devil." That person turned out to be Judas Isc.
The problems with full brothers and sisters having children would be immense. We know that to be true. So I really don't think it makes too much sense to believe that humanity started with brothers and sisters marrying because the problems from inbreeding. Not to mention that it would also be incest. It makes more sense to me that there were other people on earth at the same time. I think there are many continued problems with believing a story to be true rather than taking it for what it might have been meant to mean. That's my thoughts anyway. Inbreeding does happen. It shouldnt but it has.
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Post by snow on Jun 12, 2015 15:59:58 GMT -5
In the desert of Australia they are collecting a lot of dinasaur bones. Building a museum. I think they said the bones were 900 million yrs old. (I could be wrong. It was huge) saw it on a doco in the last wk. Felicity I used to think like you. I think I was wrong. Uneducated thought. The ancients go back a long way. I saw a place in Mt. Isa that was about dinosaurs when I was in Australia. The place reminded me a bit of Drumheller here in Canada where they have found so many dinosaur bones and now have a museum there housing the ones found in the area. It's kind of interesting terrain, and you can come across bones when you are out hiking sometimes, that's how plentiful they are. Great place to go hiking, called the Canadian Badlands because of the hoodoos etc. www.tyrrellmuseum.com/
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Post by snow on Jun 12, 2015 16:07:11 GMT -5
In the beginning it seemed God allowed brothers and sisters married to one another to populate the earth... Abraham and Sarah were 1s cousin, Jacob and Rebecca were 1st cousin... to keep the family line intact by NOT marrying the people of the land they were living who didn't know or believe in Yahweh God... Once the earth was populated then it was no longer necessary for brothers and sisters in the same family to inbreeding among each others. Nathan, 1st cousins aren't as bad as full brothers and sisters. I agree that royalty once felt it important to marry within the family to keep the bloodlines, and sometimes is was half brothers and sisters. That was bad enough, never mind full sisters and brothers marrying. It really has nothing to do with what God allowed as far incest issues, it's the biological problems that come from too close a biological tie. I always thought Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister, not full, but not cousins. Isn't that why Abraham thought it was okay to pass Sarah off as his sister when some king was interested in her? Talk about a coward, but that's another topic altogether!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 13, 2015 4:52:02 GMT -5
Bubbles, thanks for the reminder about fossils, they tell a story that cannot be denied. The other interesting item and one that is related is how limestone came to be limestone. In high inland valleys. Go down a cave, look at the stalactites, stalagmites and limestone flows and think of the time and chemical and physical actions that went into producing them. Look at how rivers cut through hard rock such as the sandstones in the Grand canyon of the USA and think of the time that it took. Look at mountain uplift, how high the mountains are, and some have been worn away by wind and rain such as in the Grampians of Australia. See the layers of rock that are bent upward by mighty forces of nature. After you have looked at this evidence of earths making, those of you who still believe in the 6000 year myth come back and start talking to me again about how and why you believe this is the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 5:48:55 GMT -5
Bubbles, thanks for the reminder about fossils, they tell a story that cannot be denied. The other interesting item and one that is related is how limestone came to be limestone. In high inland valleys. Go down a cave, look at the stalactites, stalagmites and limestone flows and think of the time and chemical and physical actions that went into producing them. Look at how rivers cut through hard rock such as the sandstones in the Grand canyon of the USA and think of the time that it took. Look at mountain uplift, how high the mountains are, and some have been worn away by wind and rain such as in the Grampians of Australia. See the layers of rock that are bent upward by mighty forces of nature. After you have looked at this evidence of earths making, those of you who still believe in the 6000 year myth come back and start talking to me again about how and why you believe this is the case. if you believe in an all powerful God, then he could create all of that in an instant and set it in place without breaking a sweat.
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Post by rational on Jun 13, 2015 6:02:45 GMT -5
Bubbles, thanks for the reminder about fossils, they tell a story that cannot be denied. The other interesting item and one that is related is how limestone came to be limestone. In high inland valleys. Go down a cave, look at the stalactites, stalagmites and limestone flows and think of the time and chemical and physical actions that went into producing them. Look at how rivers cut through hard rock such as the sandstones in the Grand canyon of the USA and think of the time that it took. Look at mountain uplift, how high the mountains are, and some have been worn away by wind and rain such as in the Grampians of Australia. See the layers of rock that are bent upward by mighty forces of nature. After you have looked at this evidence of earths making, those of you who still believe in the 6000 year myth come back and start talking to me again about how and why you believe this is the case. if you believe in an all powerful God, then he could create all of that in an instant and set it in place without breaking a sweat. Didn't the creator make the fossils just to confuse people? But it does make one wonder about a creator that would go to the effort to create layers of rock with fossils included in them, and igneous rocks with the products of radioactive decay in them, to imply that the earth was 4.5 billion years old if it was only 6,000 (or 1 million) years old. Seems like that would lead to confusion. Makes you wonder about the veracity of 1 Corinthians 14:33!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 6:10:35 GMT -5
if you believe in an all powerful God, then he could create all of that in an instant and set it in place without breaking a sweat. Didn't the creator make the fossils just to confuse people? But it does make one wonder about a creator that would go to the effort to create layers of rock with fossils included in them, and igneous rocks with the products of radioactive decay in them, to imply that the earth was 4.5 billion years old if it was only 6,000 (or 1 million) years old. Seems like that would lead to confusion. Makes you wonder about the veracity of 1 Corinthians 14:33! not everyone believes the radioactive decay(or whatever they call them) readings are accurate...
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Post by rational on Jun 13, 2015 6:52:57 GMT -5
Nathan, 1st cousins aren't as bad as full brothers and sisters. I agree that royalty once felt it important to marry within the family to keep the bloodlines, and sometimes is was half brothers and sisters. That was bad enough, never mind full sisters and brothers marrying. It really has nothing to do with what God allowed as far incest issues, it's the biological problems that come from too close a biological tie. I always thought Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister, not full, but not cousins. Isn't that why Abraham thought it was okay to pass Sarah off as his sister when some king was interested in her? Talk about a coward, but that's another topic altogether! People usually focus on the downside of close relatives marrying but just as there can be negative genetic combinations there can also be positive genetic combinations. Researchers in Iceland found that third cousin marriages could result in healthier offspring than the general population. Animals have been inbred for centuries to bring out desired traits. The results can be compared to GMOs but we mustn't make that link!
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Post by bubbles on Jun 13, 2015 7:15:21 GMT -5
Bubbles, thanks for the reminder about fossils, they tell a story that cannot be denied. The other interesting item and one that is related is how limestone came to be limestone. In high inland valleys. Go down a cave, look at the stalactites, stalagmites and limestone flows and think of the time and chemical and physical actions that went into producing them. Look at how rivers cut through hard rock such as the sandstones in the Grand canyon of the USA and think of the time that it took. Look at mountain uplift, how high the mountains are, and some have been worn away by wind and rain such as in the Grampians of Australia. See the layers of rock that are bent upward by mighty forces of nature. After you have looked at this evidence of earths making, those of you who still believe in the 6000 year myth come back and start talking to me again about how and why you believe this is the case. Amasing huh. The rains when they come can create unusual formations carving out sandstone here nrth of melbourne. There was a limestone quarry where we swam in our 20s the water was the most beautiful blue turqouise. Magnifique!
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Post by snow on Jun 13, 2015 10:46:36 GMT -5
Bubbles, thanks for the reminder about fossils, they tell a story that cannot be denied. The other interesting item and one that is related is how limestone came to be limestone. In high inland valleys. Go down a cave, look at the stalactites, stalagmites and limestone flows and think of the time and chemical and physical actions that went into producing them. Look at how rivers cut through hard rock such as the sandstones in the Grand canyon of the USA and think of the time that it took. Look at mountain uplift, how high the mountains are, and some have been worn away by wind and rain such as in the Grampians of Australia. See the layers of rock that are bent upward by mighty forces of nature. After you have looked at this evidence of earths making, those of you who still believe in the 6000 year myth come back and start talking to me again about how and why you believe this is the case. if you believe in an all powerful God, then he could create all of that in an instant and set it in place without breaking a sweat. I think the logical question to that though is, why bother? What would be the purpose of putting fossils in the ground? What would be the purpose to make the earth's layers look like they were laid down over millions to billions of years? Is it logical? Your God might have been ABLE to do it, but really have to wonder WHY he would do it? I suppose he just put the oil in the ground and it doesn't come from fossils? Again, why? What is wrong with a God that sets things in motion and lets them play out afterwards? Doesn't make that God any less powerful does it? These are all questions I have wondered about when I hear people say the earth is 6000 years old. We have trees that are alive today that are over 10,000 years old.
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Post by snow on Jun 13, 2015 10:48:29 GMT -5
Nathan, 1st cousins aren't as bad as full brothers and sisters. I agree that royalty once felt it important to marry within the family to keep the bloodlines, and sometimes is was half brothers and sisters. That was bad enough, never mind full sisters and brothers marrying. It really has nothing to do with what God allowed as far incest issues, it's the biological problems that come from too close a biological tie. I always thought Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister, not full, but not cousins. Isn't that why Abraham thought it was okay to pass Sarah off as his sister when some king was interested in her? Talk about a coward, but that's another topic altogether! People usually focus on the downside of close relatives marrying but just as there can be negative genetic combinations there can also be positive genetic combinations. Researchers in Iceland found that third cousin marriages could result in healthier offspring than the general population. Animals have been inbred for centuries to bring out desired traits. The results can be compared to GMOs but we mustn't make that link! Yes there are also positives. Just like anything that happens randomly I suppose.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 13, 2015 16:18:56 GMT -5
Didn't the creator make the fossils just to confuse people? But it does make one wonder about a creator that would go to the effort to create layers of rock with fossils included in them, and igneous rocks with the products of radioactive decay in them, to imply that the earth was 4.5 billion years old if it was only 6,000 (or 1 million) years old. Seems like that would lead to confusion. Makes you wonder about the veracity of 1 Corinthians 14:33! not everyone believes the radioactive decay(or whatever they call them) readings are accurate... Wally, I do wonder about people who say that. They are generally quite happy to accept what scientists say about the common cold or their input into a new composite metal which will make the car lighter or their exploration of new mineral fields or their input into plant and food production. But say anything about how old the earth is and they don't believe them. Why the selective belief of what scientists discover Wally?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 16:28:40 GMT -5
not everyone believes the radioactive decay(or whatever they call them) readings are accurate... Wally, I do wonder about people who say that. They are generally quite happy to accept what scientists say about the common cold or their input into a new composite metal which will make the car lighter or their exploration of new mineral fields or their input into plant and food production. But say anything about how old the earth is and they don't believe them. Why the selective belief of what scientists discover Wally? just as Christian are said to get some things right and some things wrong the same goes for scientists too they are not infallible ...
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Post by snow on Jun 13, 2015 17:18:30 GMT -5
Wally, I do wonder about people who say that. They are generally quite happy to accept what scientists say about the common cold or their input into a new composite metal which will make the car lighter or their exploration of new mineral fields or their input into plant and food production. But say anything about how old the earth is and they don't believe them. Why the selective belief of what scientists discover Wally? just as Christian are said to get some things right and some things wrong the same goes for scientists too they are not infallible ... On what basis though do you determine when a scientist is wrong? What about trees that are shown to be over 10,000 years old? Is that wrong too? There is so much out there that gives us clues that the earth is very very old so how do you determine that all of those 'clues' are somehow wrong? I honestly don't understand with all the data from so many different areas of science that anyone can dismiss them all as wrong or an error?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 17:32:38 GMT -5
just as Christian are said to get some things right and some things wrong the same goes for scientists too they are not infallible ... On what basis though do you determine when a scientist is wrong? What about trees that are shown to be over 10,000 years old? Is that wrong too? There is so much out there that gives us clues that the earth is very very old so how do you determine that all of those 'clues' are somehow wrong? I honestly don't understand with all the data from so many different areas of science that anyone can dismiss them all as wrong or an error? I believe the earth to be 6,000-13,000 years old based on the bible a 10,000 year old tree fits well within that range...
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